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    SBTC and the Zodiac Killer

    While I have always felt that the SBTC sign off on the Ramsey note was randomly made up just like everything else in the note, I found this that I ran across interesting.

    In John Douglas' book "The Cases That Haunt Us" he has a photograph of one of the Zodiac killer's notes he sent to the Editor of the San Fransisco Chronicle.
    He signs the note SFPD.
    Now this obviously means "San Fransisco Police Department" - but with references to movie lines in the Ramsey note - what if Patsy had read of the Zodiac killer's sign off too in a book at some time and subconciously did the same in an attempt (as the whole note was) to try and write a note like she THOUGHT a real kidnapper or killer would write.

    Just a thought......

    ~Angel~
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    Hey Angel

    Quote Originally Posted by K777angel
    While I have always felt that the SBTC sign off on the Ramsey note was randomly made up just like everything else in the note, I found this that I ran across interesting.

    In John Douglas' book "The Cases That Haunt Us" he has a photograph of one of the Zodiac killer's notes he sent to the Editor of the San Fransisco Chronicle.
    He signs the note SFPD.
    Now this obviously means "San Fransisco Police Department" - but with references to movie lines in the Ramsey note - what if Patsy had read of the Zodiac killer's sign off too in a book at some time and subconciously did the same in an attempt (as the whole note was) to try and write a note like she THOUGHT a real kidnapper or killer would write.

    Just a thought......

    ~Angel~
    I don't know Angel,

    Patsy in my opinion, wouldn't have killed JB. Covering up was her job. [/B] Who made Patsy write the note has always been my thought.

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    Like She Thought Kidnapper Would Write

    I think that's good, K777, works for me, IF Patsy wrote the note at all. Or whoever may have written it, they may have read enough books or seen enough movies about this sort of thing to know the gang usually signs off with an acronym of some kind.

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    k777angel

    Patsy Ramsey's secret obsession with copying the Zodiac. That is ridiculous.
    Please assume anything in my posts that is uncredited is my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guppy
    Patsy Ramsey's secret obsession with copying the Zodiac. That is ridiculous.
    Not quite as ridiculous as the Helgoth and Gigax theory. Now THAT'S ridiculous!
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    God Bless America

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    Quote Originally Posted by guppy
    Patsy Ramsey's secret obsession with copying the Zodiac. That is ridiculous.
    I never said Patsy had a "secret obsession" with the Zodiac. YOU characterized it that way. Of course she didn't. I just thought it an interesting coincidence that the sign-offs were so close.
    One meant something (Zodiac's) - one did not (Ramsey's).
    This post is my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TressaRing28
    I don't know Angel,

    Patsy in my opinion, wouldn't have killed JB. Covering up was her job. [/B] Who made Patsy write the note has always been my thought.
    Interesting observation: Why wouldn't Patsy at a fleeting moment loose control and kill JB? If "Covering Up" was her job...what other "jobs" did she assume/handle...surely Patsy did/had many "above/beyond" talents that most don't have IMHO?. IMHO Patsy made John make her (in a round-about-way) write the night to save them both and even profit from it...what a duo/team for-profit in the name of JonBenet...just too clever??

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    k777angel

    Perhaps you haven't heard, but Patsy Ramsey didn't write the ransom note. Maybe whoever did had a secret obsession with the Zodiac.
    Please assume anything in my posts that is uncredited is my opinion.

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    guppy, I think by now that everyone has heard that Patsy didn't write the ransom note. The RST says it all the time. lol

    imo

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    Never Said She Wrote It.

    Either of you could be right.


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    1-7-07, From Aug. 2004

    Quote Originally Posted by guppy
    Perhaps you haven't heard, but Patsy Ramsey didn't write the ransom note. Maybe whoever did had a secret obsession with the Zodiac.
    MAYBE whoever did write it had a secret obsession with the Zodiac. Exactly. And I didn't keep up with the Zodiac killer so that's all I know. As an FS, neutral, I'd just say there are lots of guys out there who're a lot like the Zodiac, and a lot like Karr, and a lot like whoever-whatever anybody might name. Not many like Patsy who'd lose it and kill her most precious possession, then be thinking like the Zodiac killer. It's just too unlikely a story, besides all the clues we have that others were involved, in other states! (The loiterer in Charlevoix, Michigan, the impersonator of JAR in Waterford, Michigan, the Louisianna letter, and the Barnhills' seeing that walker before dark, to name a few. There may have been LOTS more that we never heard of.) And.....

    Someone recently asked my thoughts on this again, reason I'm resurrecting it. In 2006 we learned that Karr's handwriting matched the note about as much as Patsy's handwriting did. Who knew that more than one person could have such similar handwriting? His was from an OLD h.s. yearbook.

    Maybe someone here knows how many points of PR's handwriting matched, vs. how many points Karr's did? Plus, he used an acronym way back when he was in h.s. Twenty years (?) before we heard of him, and lived in the Atlanta area, and a mysterious "shabby" brown santa bear showed up in JBR's room the night of the murder. The one she'd been given at a pageant was white and had some sort of banner on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guppy
    Perhaps you haven't heard, but Patsy Ramsey didn't write the ransom note. Maybe whoever did had a secret obsession with the Zodiac.

    Who did then? In your opinion.

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    guppy, of course Patsy wrote the ransom note--did you not see all the similarities from the site acandyrose.com? If not I suggest you get over there pronto--Anyway, I knew Patsy wrote the ransom the very first time I read it over 10 years ago--It is the most amateurish,insipid,overlong ransom note ever written....and I know ransom notes since I have read over 700 true crime books---I won't go into all the details abou the note since it has already been discussed ad infinutum--and remember that the FBI determined that a 40 year old southern woman wrote it---and of course there was no evidence of any intruder(remember the unbroken spider web by the broken window?)--so who do you think it wrote it? Burke? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle1
    .....As an FS, neutral, I'd just say there are lots of guys out there who're a lot like the Zodiac, and a lot like Karr, and all kinds of other criminal types.

    Not many like Patsy who'd lose it and kill her most precious possession, then be thinking like the Zodiac killer.

    It's just too unlikely a story, besides all the clues we have that others were involved, in other states! (The loiterer in Charlevoix, Michigan, the impersonator of JAR in Waterford, Michigan, the Louisianna letter, and the Barnhills' seeing that walker before dark, to name a few. There may have been LOTS more that we never heard of.) And.....
    .. In 2006 we learned that Karr's handwriting matched the note about as much as Patsy's handwriting did. Who knew that more than one person could have such similar handwriting? His was from an OLD h.s. yearbook.

    Maybe someone here knows how many points of PR's handwriting matched, vs. how many points Karr's did? Plus, he used an acronym way back when he was in h.s. Twenty years (?) before we heard of him, and lived in the Atlanta area, and a mysterious "shabby" brown santa bear showed up in JBR's room the night of the murder. The one she'd been given at a pageant was white and had some sort of banner on it.
    Has anything about Karr's handwriting been added at ACandyRose? (I know, I know. You want me to go see for myself. Maybe later, onto something else right now.)

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    I don't think it's close enough....after all John Ramsey is right on the initials...
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