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    Byers said he was using the Kershaw knife while making deer jerky sometime around the 1st of October or November. After having said this:

    GITCHELL: Had you ever taken that hunting or use it recently just prior to giving it to
    um, what did you say his name was Kook?

    BYERS: I think Kook, no that knife had not been used at all, it just been kept up, put in
    my dresser and I didn't use it and the reason why was is because of those serrated edges

    GITCHELL: Uh-huh

    BYERS: You couldn't keep it sharp, and he thought it was near because it had a Velcro
    case that you could carry it on your belt with, and it kinda had a grip on it that felt like
    pachmayr's on a gun, and he just really like it and admired it and I really didn't like it so
    I gave it to him.

    GITCHELL: Okay

    BYERS: But no it had not been out in the woods or anything

    GITCHELL: Do you know if any member of your family was so ever has ever injured
    themselves or cut themselves on that knife?

    BYERS: Which knife?

    GITCHELL: Oh, this Karshaw knife here, mentioned?

    BYERS: No sir


    ^Can anyone w/knowledge of this crime and trials explain what is up w/the different things Byers said in reference to the Kershaw knife? Seriously, thanks in advance if you can!
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    There is a new book out. The author is Greg Day, but it's JMB's story. It's available on Amazon and Kindle. It's called Untying the Knot. The Kershaw knife is discussed in detail there, and I don't want to lessen the explanation contained in the book by trying to summarize it here. BTW, the blood found on the knife matched not only Chris' blood type, but Mark's as well - and about 9% of the Caucasian population, IIRC.

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    I know about the book. Thanks anyway.
    But that doesn't explain to me why Mark said the knife had never been used, never been out in the woods or anything, until the detectives told him they had a problem. That the problem was that human blood (or as they also said "of a higher ape") was found on the knife.
    Then he tells them it was probably on there from making deer jerky.
    I have read the introduction to the book. I have friends that have it on their Kindle so if I want to read it I can.
    Maybe one of them can explain to me why Byers changed his story about the knife in the middle of questioning, because I just don't understand. I don't know anyone involved in this crime on either side, so it's just a lingering question.
    Thanks!
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    One other thing that has continued to bother me is that many people understandably point to TH's beating his stepson and daughter.
    There were several accounts from friends who visited the Byers home of Mark beating Chris. One report from a friend of the older brother of Chris was that Mark had Chris basically stripped down and whipping him with a belt. When the friend said something to the brother about it, RC replied that it was not unusual.
    Also the autopsy report on Chris showed several healed marks on his buttocks region.
    Leads me to wonder if Chris was a child of repeated abuse.
    This is no way makes Byers guilty of the murders. But does it make TH any more of an abusive dad?
    I realize that Byers has a much more solid alibi than TH. There are some holes in it though.
    Just thinking about this old case.
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    IMO, sexual abuse is much worse than physical abuse. If some of the stories that I've read are true, TH was guilty of both with his children and physical with his wife. I'm not sure that I believe all of the stories about JMB as some of those people, IMO, were simply seeking their 15 minutes. As to TH, most of the stories are from Pam's relatives and could also be biased.

    So, discounting the supposed abusive nature of both men, what is left? First and foremost is the mtDNA evidence that indicates that in all likelihood either TH or David Jacoby (or both or people who share maternal ancestors with them) was (were) at the discovery site. TH has said, over and over, that he was in and out of that 2.5 acre patch "all night long" searching for Stevie. Jacoby has stated that he did not search the discovery area. So, the most likely explanation for the hairs is that TH is responsible for them.

    Additionally, TH has holes in his alibi. JMB does not. For instance, David Jacoby stated in his deposition for the Pasdar suit that TH was playing guitars at his (Jacoby's) house on the evening of May 5, 1993, from about 5:15 pm or 5:30 pm until about 6:15 pm or 6:30 pm. Then, TH left to look for Stevie. He returned later (other testimony puts the return at about 7:30 pm or 7:45 pm) at which time David joins in the search while Amanda is left with David's wife, Bobbye. Then, again, TH goes off alone. In short, there are several stretches of time during which TH was alone. All of JMB's time has been documented as having been spent with at least one other person.

    Now, if you are truly wondering about Mark's apparently conflicting statements, I can summarize his explanation in the book (pp. 70 - 76). However, if you are simply wanting to cast doubt on Mark, I doubt that the explanation will satisfy you. However, here is a summary from the book.

    Mark said that when he said that the knife had not been used he was referring to hunting. He misunderstood Gitchell's question to be in reference to hunting and not a general question regarding whether or not the knife had ever been used. So, his statement was simply an affirmation that the knife had not been used for hunting. He also mentioned that, due to the medication he was on (I am assuming the anti-depressant), he did have trouble remembering everything clearly.

    A great deal of attention was paid to the fact that the blood on the knife matched Chris' type. However, little mention was made of the fact that Mark and Chris share the same blood type. Remember, there are only four basic blood types in human beings: A, B, AB and O. When the Rh factor is consider, the types are doubled to eight. The types are not equally distributed, however. So, the fact that Chris and Mark share the same blood type although they are not biologically related is really not all that remarkable.

    The whole incident of the Kershaw knife was really a red herring. The defense, as is their job, was trying to establish reasonable doubt of their clients' guilt. Mark just happened to provide a possible avenue.

    As a further example of what I'm saying, consider the necklace video:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKnGYZfuBBQ"]Deleted scene from Paradise Lost - Necklace - YouTube[/ame]

    Although the blood on the necklace had the same type as both Jason and Stevie, the prosecution had no intention of pointing out that the blood could have been Jason's (who often wore the necklace and could have easily cut himself shaving while wearing it and left the "specks" on it). All they wanted to establish was that the blood matched Stevie's type. The necklace was never discussed from the stand because it didn't really provide any inculpatory evidence. OTOH, the defense introduced the Kershaw knife because, although not exculpatory, it could have provided reasonable doubt for their clients.

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    Why do some consider TH's bad memory during the Pasdar deposition many years after the murders so incriminating when JMB had this bad of a recall of his own statement when on the stand during one of the trials:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1qlTYYlAWU&feature=related"]John Mark Byers and the kershaw knife - YouTube[/ame]

    And no I am not seeking to bait anyone or argue with anyone.
    It is simply something I find troubling.
    Thank you for posting the video concerning the necklace, but I had already seen it several times. I am sure it will prove interesting to those who have not.
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    Also I recently stumbled upon a blog run by TH and he has pictures posted publicly of him and Pam and Amanda together at a park w/other friends and family right around Easter of this year.
    If Pam thinks TH murdered her son, why would she be hanging out with him or having anything at all to do with him?
    Color me a little bit confused by that!
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    Pam has said, reported by her sisters as she doesn't have Internet access, that she didn't write the email referenced in that blog and that she spent most of that day in the car. She was there solely to protect her grandchildren and her daughter. The pictures were a gag, done for Amanda. There were many other pictures taken that day in which Pam does not appear. Terry (or his surrogate) chose to post those particular ones on the Internet, knowing that Pam has no access and therefore could not respond directly. Just another example of how underhanded he (or his friends/surrogates) can be. Don't believe everything on the Internet!

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    I don't believe much I read on the internet. For sure!
    If Pam remained in the car much of the day, there sure seemed to be plenty of pics of her w/TH and Amanda as well as with their grandkids.
    If it was a gag, and I saw her posing w/a fork pretending to stab TH, I still don't understand why any mother who thought her exhusband murdered her child would be anywhere near him. Period.
    Why would Pam feel the need to protect Amanda? Hasn't Amanda been living at times w/TH? I know Pam has had internet access in the past because I have read her posts.
    She seems, at the very least, to be very conflicted about Terry's involvement.
    I know she went out to the Sundance Film Festival and met Damien. So I don't get why someone in her position wouldn't have access to the internet. You can get on it with most cell phones.
    Who would TH's "surrogate" be?
    As I have said, I don't know anyone on either side of this horrible case.
    I just don't understand anyone who would even be in the same room with an exhusband if they even suspected him of murdering their child. Why let your picture be taken with that person for any reason?
    Somethings just don't add up IMO
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    From what her sisters say on Facebook, Pam has struggled about this case a lot. I understand your feelings, and I don't think I would be able to sit down with a man that I suspected of murdering my child. However, I'm not Pam Hicks. (She has reverted to her maiden name.) I don't presume to understand her pain or her grieving process.

    All I can do is read what I can and make an informed decision as to who is telling the truth. IMO, I don't believe anything out of TH's mouth! I don't know who his surrogate is, but I know from reading his deposition and wmpd interview that he is not writing that blog. That's why I mention a surrogate. I'm assuming either a family member or a minister or a lawyer, but I don't know. I'm sorry, but I believe Pam's sisters (and Pam) in this regard.

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    I watch a somewhat new episode of law and order suv tonight and they had they cheesiest episode that clearly was about this case I couldn't believe it. I have seen some that ya have a little that seems familliar but they change alot so its very different .But tonight was the woarst even the looks of the 3 criminals ..
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    I watch a somewhat new episode of law and order suv tonight and they had they cheesiest episode that clearly was about this case I couldn't believe it. I have seen some that ya have a little that seems familliar but they change alot so its very different .But tonight was the woarst even the looks of the 3 criminals ..
    Was it a rerun or a new episode? This may be a long shot, but do you recall the name of the episode or (if a rerun) in what season it was aired? Did you notice, for instance, the copyright date?

    I like SVU, and I'm convinced that, whenever they have that disclosure about the story being fictional, it's really loosely based on a true case. However, unfortunately, as you said, they often play fast and loose with the facts! It's a good show, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Compassionate Reader View Post
    Was it a rerun or a new episode? This may be a long shot, but do you recall the name of the episode or (if a rerun) in what season it was aired? Did you notice, for instance, the copyright date?

    I like SVU, and I'm convinced that, whenever they have that disclosure about the story being fictional, it's really loosely based on a true case. However, unfortunately, as you said, they often play fast and loose with the facts! It's a good show, though.
    Im not to sure what season it would have been but det stabler was still with det, Benson and this years season stabler is gone and iam pretty sure i caught the end of the season the other night where the captain wakes up with a dead escort in his bed .Tell ya the truth i don't even know what season svu is even in theres so many people coming and going but this was so simmilar that the 3 were in jail for 20 years then the judge asks then if they are pleading guilty to a alfred plea which they do and the three are released that was about as much as i could take .It was a rerun and it was on bravo. hope that helps
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    I've got all seasons on DVD, through Stabler's last year (13) which I believe is the 2010 - 2011 season. I'll just have to look at the synopses and see if I can find it. Since the Alford Plea was just in 2011, I'm not sure that it was based on the WM3 case. I remember some talk a couple of years ago about an SVU that everyone said was based on the case. If I find it, I'll post again! Thanks for your help.

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    CanManEh,

    I just saw a post on Facebook where someone was discussing a Cold Case episode from 2007 that mimicked the WM3 case. Could you be confusing shows?

    Here's the post:

    "Back in Sept., 2007, my favorite TV show, Cold Case (now cancelled) aired an episode about 2 teenagers wrongly convicted of killing 3 little boys in 1994. That episode was titled "Thrill Kill". At the time I realized it mirrored the WM3 case & I always wanted to watch it again after the men were released. TVguide.com has listed it as being shown again on July 3 at 8 PM EST, on a station I receive. Guess who the real perp was in the show?"

    Here's the "official" synopsis"

    "Season 5, Episode 1
    Episode Synopsis: The fifth season begins with Lilly returning to work just weeks after being shot. She reopens a 1994 triple-murder case in which three boys were beaten to death. Two teens were convicted of the crimes but Lilly suspects they may have been innocent. Features songs by Nirvana. Original Air Date: Sep 23, 2007
    Guest Cast Raphael Sbarge: Henry Raymes Adria Tennor: Heidi Jenner Melissa Leo: Tanya Raymes Hamilton Mitchell: Job M.J. Karmi: Myrna Nimmo Jack Conley: Det. Joe Connelly Kirk Acevedo: Dylan Noakes Andrew James Allen: Teddy Nimmo Drake Johnston: George Russo Jeremy Shada: Jack Raymes Zylan Brooks: Jade Diaz "

    Does this sound familiar?

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    Law and Order SVU also did a episode about the case..I have it on my old DVR LOL Ill have to look around for the episode, but it wasnt that long ago. It was when Stabler was still there. SVU is one my favorite shows, so I was excited when they did the episode. Cold Case also did an episode. The one you posted about. I remember that one too, I waited and watched all the reruns that were on during the day to watch it. That was a good show too, very emotional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura View Post
    Law and Order SVU also did a episode about the case..I have it on my old DVR LOL Ill have to look around for the episode, but it wasnt that long ago. It was when Stabler was still there. SVU is one my favorite shows, so I was excited when they did the episode. Cold Case also did an episode. The one you posted about. I remember that one too, I waited and watched all the reruns that were on during the day to watch it. That was a good show too, very emotional.
    Please let me know what season and show the SVU take on the case is. As I said before, I have every season released on DVD, up to and including Stabler's last season. I'm very interested in knowing which show it was. The Cold Case show was on tonight, on MY TV, but I was unable to watch. I hope it's on again sometime.

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    I cant find it.. Im gonna look more.. Maybe Im wrong, but I know there was an episode. LOL Dam.. It came out in about 2010 im thinking. It was before they were released, Ok, Im gonna look more, and if I cant find it, I will come back and say Im wrong. If you have the dvd's it has to be on there. I dont have my old dvr hooked up, i had to get a new converter box last year and its on the old one. I swear there is an episode..LOL Maybe I am thinking of Cold Case.. but it was different characters then Kirk Ave(dont know how to spell his name) I know him cause he was on Oz with Stabler. Kirk guy was on the Cold Case one. This will drive me crazy till I find it. LOL

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    I cant find a darn thing so...im gonna read thru the episodes and try and find it there. LOL

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    Maybe this is it Aura.Scroll down to Analysis.

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    YES Thank you so much. Its been driving me crazy all morning. LOL I remember cause it turned out to be one of the guys that did the killing..not the other 2. And I knew it didnt have Kirk in it, like with Cold Case. So I was wrong on the show. Im so sorry for that, I couldv'e sworn it was Law and Order. When the guys get out on this episode, they are like famous, and celebrities, and they were having a party, and one of the girls that was there claimed she was raped by one of the guys. Yep thats it. TY TY TY LOL I can feel my headache receding now LOL

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    All of them programmes have an episode based on this case. Even Buffy the Vampire Slayer had an episode based on it, (the one where Buffy, Amy and Willow nearly get burned at the stake by angry townsfolk).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aura View Post
    YES Thank you so much. Its been driving me crazy all morning. LOL I remember cause it turned out to be one of the guys that did the killing..not the other 2. And I knew it didnt have Kirk in it, like with Cold Case. So I was wrong on the show. Im so sorry for that, I couldv'e sworn it was Law and Order. When the guys get out on this episode, they are like famous, and celebrities, and they were having a party, and one of the girls that was there claimed she was raped by one of the guys. Yep thats it. TY TY TY LOL I can feel my headache receding now LOL
    I saw the episode but couldn't remember what crime show it actually was.I had to google the hell out of it.I know what it's like to be driven to near madness looking for things.Glad to help.

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    Thanks to all who researched! I thought that I would've remembered an episode of SVU based on the case, but ... I'm getting old, I guess! Anyway, I'm glad that the mystery is solved.

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