12-06-2011, 09:20 AM #1
FL - Crescent Beach, WhtFem UP3036, 30-50, burr holes in skull, Apr'85
Case Report - NamUs UP # 3036
Case number 85-134
Date found: April 10, 1985 at 12:00 AM
Date created January 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Date last modified November 23, 2011 at 02:01 PM
Local Medical Examiner/Coroner Contact
Agency Dist 23 Medical Examiners Ofc
Name Marie Herrmann
Estimated age 30- 50 years
Weight, Cannot Estimate
Height (inches) 67, Estimated
One or both hands not recovered
Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
County: St. Johns
Circumstances of death:
Skeletal remains found by workman digging a post hole for a beach stairway.
Hair color Brown
Head hair Light brown to blond hair of medium length was present.
Distinctive features as described below:
*Skeletal findings Previous head injury with surgical burr holes. Fractures of nose and cheek bones.Fractures of 5 ribs, left thorax. Fracture of right ankle and toes. Fracture of left ankle. Arthritic changes of the spine. All injuries are suggestive of previous motor
Fingerprint information is currently not available
No clothing or accessories
Dental charting available
Complete and entered
Location: University of North Texas
Reference # 11-0259.2A
Lab ORI TX220035Y
Comments: Remains only produced mitochondrial DNA profile, complete profile uploaded to NDIS. CL
Last edited by CarlK90245; 02-18-2013 at 02:45 PM.
12-06-2011, 09:21 AM #2
Detectives in St. Johns county are digging in to a case from more than 25 years ago.
Workers building a dock found the skeletal remains of a body about a mile north of the Crescent Beach ramp.
A UF anthropological report shows the remains may be that of a white female about 5 foot 7 with light brown to blonde hair.
Analysis of the remains showed that the victim may have been involved in some kind of auto accident prior to her death.
Anyone with information about the woman's identity is asked to contact the St. Johns county sheriff's office
12-06-2011, 09:49 AM #3Registered User
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Lots of possibilities within the age range. The unknown postmortem interval yields a wide look.
Penny Mollett: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7093/229/
Penny was supposedly dropped off on April 1, 1984 at Orlando Int'l airport but did not make the flight she was supposed to go on. The UID was found 98 miles away from this location. Penny was 5'8" and 100 pounds - the height is close to the estimate.
Gwendolyn Goode: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7092/237/
Gwendolyn wandered off from her home in February of 1981 and was heard from according to the NamUs file in December of 1982 by unknown means. She was last located in Orlando - 98 miles away from UID location. Gwendolyn had red/auburn hair and was 5'6" - one inch off the UID estimate.
I also looked at Patricia McGill (https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/13118/234/) but her last location was close to 300 miles away. It doesn't rule out the possibility of course.
12-06-2011, 10:31 AM #4
What about her? The age is a little off and the height is listed as 6' - 6'5" (a pretty big range?) but it says her children believe their mother's body was either buried on Key Biscayne or placed in the ocean on the shore of Key Biscayne. Her hair is probably too dark too but I thought it would be worth a mention.
Could the injuries listed on this Jane Doe's profile be from domestic violence? or are they only consistant with an auto accident?
12-06-2011, 10:46 AM #5
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12-06-2011, 08:51 PM #7
Crescent Beach, FL UID female found 4/85
Hope this is the proper place to post this info. The linked article describes unidentified female remains previously found in 1985 on Crescent Beach, FL (near St. Augustine).
12-06-2011, 09:24 PM #8
12-06-2011, 09:35 PM #9
12-06-2011, 09:56 PM #10Registered User
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Let's suppose the age range is what the article lists and the NamUs profile lists - 15 to 50. The article also mentions that police feel the year of death is from 1980 to 1984.
Here's an interesting one.
Billie Hall: https://www.findthemissing.org/cases...haracteristics
Even though her given height is at most 5'3" (4 inches below UID), her circumstances of disappearance are interesting. She was heading toward Daytona Beach for a biker convention. However, she was reported missing 4 weeks later and the motor home she was in was discovered in Louisiana. Her age LKA is 24-25 years.
So she could have been in Florida. Now here's the interesting part. She had a skull plate and a "richmond screw" above her eye. She also had a tap through her skull following a traffic accident. She also had previously fractured fingers.
12-06-2011, 10:18 PM #11
12-06-2011, 10:28 PM #12Registered User
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The postmortem interval would be in the neighborhood of 3 months for Billie Hall. Is it possible the Florida climate would make the condition of the body degrade quicker?
I am sifting through a search for 15-50 female missing persons prior to April 1985 and have found 333 records. I'll keep looking for similar surgical information.
12-06-2011, 10:47 PM #13Cindi Lou
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12-07-2011, 12:15 AM #14
Unusual placement of the burr holes. A neuro or trauma surgeon would definitely remember drilling three holes in that pattern in a young woman. Maybe they should search via neuro/trauma surgeons?
12-07-2011, 12:25 AM #15
And the courts would never authorize a general perusal of medical records in search for an unnamed person. They would need a specific name of the person whose records they wish to review, and a good probable cause for doing so.
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