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    TX - Harris Co., BlkFem UP4565, 25-35, on I-10, turquoise ring, Sep'76

    I did a recon for this Jane Doe a couple of years ago, but never posted it here. Today, Houston Mom asked me if I would do a recon for this Jane Doe so that she could post it on the Black & Missing site.

    So I spent some time revising the one I had already done, and I figured that while I'm at it, I'll start a thread.

    There are no circumstances listed, so the story behind this woman's death is pretty much unknown.

    There aren't very many listed black females from 1976 and before, and I am pretty sure that we won't find her among the currently listed. But hopefully, someday this woman's family might take the step of listing her.

    NamUs UP # 4565 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4565



    Unidentified Black Female
    Found on September 30, 1976, in Harris County, Texas

    Vital Stats
    Age: 25-35
    Height: 5'8" (68 inches)
    Weight: 135 lbs.
    Hair: Black, 7 inches long
    Eye Color: Brown
    Piercings: Right and Left ears x1

    Clothing
    * Green Long Sleeve Turtleneck Sweater Size LARGE
    * Blue Checkered Flannel Shirt Size Medium
    * White Pullover Sweater Size Large
    * Blue Jeans Size 33x32
    * Pink Panties
    * Brown Shoes Size 5M

    Jewelry
    Earrings, Ring
    * Silver Colored Earring
    * 1 Ring with Turquoise Stone
    * 1 Ring Without Stones

    Circumstances
    Unknown

    Body Condition:
    Recognizable face

    Identifiers:
    Fingerprints: Available
    Dentals: Available
    DNA: Not Available
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 09-14-2014 at 07:26 PM.

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    Ohhh, such tiny feet! And as usual, excellent job on the recon, Carl.

    I'm wondering *where* in Harris Co she was found. Frustratingly few details in this case.

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    She was wearing a lot of clothes for September in Texas.

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    Rhonda Burse Missing from WA

    I have submitted the following girl. I think you'll agree she is a possible match. Let's see how it plays out:

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5896/6/

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/burse_rhonda.html
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    Oh, Rhonda is so beautiful. I don't know, though - the dates don't match. UID found in 1976 and Rhonda missing in 1977.

    But we know how these things can be messed up when the data is entered incorrectly or memories are poor, so it could work out!

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    My first thought was such tiny feet. I checked her height, it would be unusual for someone as tall as her to wear a size 5. Could she be wearing men's size 5? That would make her be a ladies 7ish.

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    debra stewart

    Good catch annemc2!!! And I was soooo sure.... My earlier suggestion (on another thread) was Debra Stewart who went missing in May of 1976 from Austin.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8671/29/
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    Margie L Phillips
    Sorry I cant do a side by side.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1949dffl.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love143 View Post
    Margie L Phillips
    Sorry I cant do a side by side.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1949dffl.html
    Could be?

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/23191/15/
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    Quote Originally Posted by killarney rose View Post
    My first thought was such tiny feet. I checked her height, it would be unusual for someone as tall as her to wear a size 5. Could she be wearing men's size 5? That would make her be a ladies 7ish.
    I think the shoes very well could be a mans size 5 because her pants are stated to be 32X32, not many women's brands measure like that.

    That's a lot of tops listed for her, I wonder if she was actually wearing them all or maybe they are listed because they were in her possession like in a backpack or purse.


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    Love143, Here is the number to call in M. Phillips:

    Agency Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences
    Phone 713-796-6774
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    Here's. little more info on this Doe. **postmortem at link**

    A few things I noticed:

    The circumstances are that she died at the hospital as the result of jumping from a moving truck
    Her turtleneck is listed as blue
    There is an address given for where she was found

    http://www.harriscountytx.gov/CmpDoc...09-30-4492.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love143 View Post
    Margie L Phillips
    Sorry I cant do a side by side.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1949dffl.html
    I submitted your PM to Dr. D, she says she saw no consistencies.

    This is a tough one. Like carlk said, there aren't many missing black women listed in 1976 or prior to 1976. I hope she has her name back someday. Poor woman, something must have truly frightened her for her to jump from a moving vehicle.
    Who is Walker County Jane Doe?

    "I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you." Genesis 28:15

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    Carl's recon: Jennifer Joyce Barton:

    •Missing Since: May 16, 1976 from Austin, Travis County, Texas
    •Classification: Endangered Missing
    •Date Of Birth: May 31, 1955
    •Age: 20
    •Height: 5'6-5'8"
    •Weight: 120-140 lbs.
    •Hair Color: Light brown.
    •Eye Color: Brown
    •Race: Black
    •Gender: Female

    Note: Jennifer has a mole above her lip and the decedent does not. The noses are different. However, the decedent was wearing a white metal earring and Jennifer is wearing white metal earrings in the photo. The height and weight are similar.


    http://www.nampn.org/cases/barton_jennifer.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._jennifer.html
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 09-14-2014 at 07:26 PM.

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    Alas, Jennifer Barton is on the rule-out list, as per NamUs.

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