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http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=101563"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
mysteriew said:I thought this was an interesting quote:
http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=101563
How on EARTH can you say that?!Beyond Belief said:The relief should be there, but because its not, is not a reason to loot stores, thats just the mentally shared by alot of these people. God help those who have found themselves among the lowlife of New Orleans.
Yeah, those people who are stealing electronics and more shoes than they need and who are raping women are just trying to survive. :doh:pardilia said:How on EARTH can you say that?!
You're not there - those people do NOT have FOOD or WATER. The stores are closed - there's no electricity for people to purchase the food or the water they need. They have to get it somehow.
It's not like they're just stealing to steal - they're stealing to *survive*. So many people have lost so much...they're taking what they can - food, water, electronics they can use to sell/trade to get more help for themselves.
The fault is with the government taking well over FOUR DAYS to get help to people. I totally believe there's a race issue going on here. They have no major reason to help those people - there's not financial gain for the government. That's why they're taking their sweet ol' time...I have absolutely no doubt that if the majority of the people involved were porcelain white and filthy rich this would NOT be happening.
A portion of our country is practically the equivalent of a Third World nation right now. No one in power has said "Those people need help - let's get whatever aid to them NOW and we'll figure out the paperwork later." It's been controlled by idiotic bureaucracy. It's disgusting that the need for "law & order" has overulled the need to GET THOSE PEOPLE OUT OF THERE.
Yes, that's correct. We're sending people in to guard the buildings and prevent the looting and not sending in FOOD, WATER, or CLOTHES.
It's just disgusting...and it really scares me that such a thing can happen in our country. The way things have been going, though, I really shouldn't be surprised.
poco said:Hopefully, the next time a hurricane threatens an area like this, the buses will come in two days before the hurricane hits and take these people to safe places.
BINGO - Large cities vulnerable to this type of tragedy need to make up plans of actions BEFORE these disasters hit - not after! Maybe some of them will take heed to this and do so before another major city finds themselves in this type of situation.
pardilia said:The fault is with the government taking well over FOUR DAYS to get help to people. I totally believe there's a race issue going on here. They have no major reason to help those people - there's not financial gain for the government. That's why they're taking their sweet ol' time...I have absolutely no doubt that if the majority of the people involved were porcelain white and filthy rich this would NOT be happening.
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First of all, New Orleans is surround by incredibly affluent, porcelain white suburbs. It's not all black.
Secondly, there is a BIG flaw in your theory. New Orleans is a MAJOR PORT. It is INCREDIBLY important to the oil and gas industry. The entire country is taking a big, big hit financially because of the destruction of New Orleans. Have you seen gas stations closing down because there is no more gas in the pumps? Heard the stories of the rising prices of gas? (By the way, we aint seen nothing yet, guys.)
The sooner those who are stranded in New Orleans are evacuated, the sooner the cleanup can begin and the sooner that port is back online. Major, major financial reason to get it done as quickly as possible.
kgeaux said:Oh, they'll do everything they can to get their financial port open, but it's obvious from the pictures that the majority of refugees (the PEOPLE) are poor and black. And the black mayor is on record as saying he is, quote, "pissed" about the lack of response from the federal government, among others. He can only do so much. I notice they don't seem to have quite the same issues in the white, casino laden coastal towns in Mississippi that were devastated. Where are THEIR refugees and lawlessness?pardilia said:The fault is with the government taking well over FOUR DAYS to get help to people. I totally believe there's a race issue going on here. They have no major reason to help those people - there's not financial gain for the government. That's why they're taking their sweet ol' time...I have absolutely no doubt that if the majority of the people involved were porcelain white and filthy rich this would NOT be happening.
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First of all, New Orleans is surround by incredibly affluent, porcelain white suburbs. It's not all black.
Secondly, there is a BIG flaw in your theory. New Orleans is a MAJOR PORT. It is INCREDIBLY important to the oil and gas industry. The entire country is taking a big, big hit financially because of the destruction of New Orleans. Have you seen gas stations closing down because there is no more gas in the pumps? Heard the stories of the rising prices of gas? (By the way, we aint seen nothing yet, guys.)
The sooner those who are stranded in New Orleans are evacuated, the sooner the cleanup can begin and the sooner that port is back online. Major, major financial reason to get it done as quickly as possible.
Dark Knight said:Oh, they'll do everything they can to get their financial port open, but it's obvious from the pictures that the majority of refugees (the PEOPLE) are poor and black. And the black mayor is on record as saying he is, quote, "pissed" about the lack of response from the federal government, among others. He can only do so much. I notice they don't seem to have quite the same issues in the white, casino laden coastal towns in Mississippi that were devastated. Where are THEIR refugees and lawlessness?
...............you are truly "Beyond Belief"! :sick:Beyond Belief said:I for one was very surprised to see the large amount of Afro Americans involved in this tragedy. It certainly wouldn't affect my decision to help.
I am very sadden by the amount of looting, crime, etc. I think those people commiting these crimes have done that for years not just in the event of the hurricane. Its difficult to comprehend that the warning to evacuate wasn't taken more seriously. A simple two hour drive and they would have faired so much better. Hopefully, the next time a hurricane threatens an area like this, the buses will come in two days before the hurricane hits and take these people to safe places.
The survivors need to be placed with extended family somewhere in the country as soon as possible. Trying to house them in these large numbers is ridiculous. This country has planes, trains and boats. Spread these people out and do it quickly, before they are out of control. Money will be coming their way that we know for sure.
No one wants them harmed, but then again society doesn't need to suffer any harm from riots, etc. New Orleans is just an example of what can happen when people start making demands. The relief should be there, but because its not, is not a reason to loot stores, thats just the mentally shared by alot of these people. God help those who have found themselves among the lowlife of New Orleans.
I had to look to see when this was posted. You don't think things are out of control. People, including babies, have died of dehydration. People are being raped, robbed. Rescuers are being fired on.Beyond Belief said:Spread these people out and do it quickly, before they are out of control.
Do you mean that they will get assistance? After losing everything, maybe even loved ones? They probably will get money. I hope my donations make it to them.Money will be coming their way that we know for sure.
Yeah, those pesky people demanding food and water, and protection from harm. If people didn't stay behind voluntarily, would you be ok with saving them? Like hospital workers and those who maybe didn't see a bus come by and have no car. Maybe the woman photographed next to her dead husband, who had lung cancer and couldn't be moved, so she stayed behind with him. Can she get a bottle or water or is that too great a demand? I say let's save them all, and the horrors they endured can be their punishment IF they chose to stay.No one wants them harmed, but then again society doesn't need to suffer any harm from riots, etc. New Orleans is just an example of what can happen when people start making demands.
I guess there are a few lowlife there. I don't count among them those who are taking food and water from stores. The rapists and shooters, yep, they're lowlives. But not those who are trying to stay alive. You say "relief should be there." I think at this point to you "relief" is an abstract concept. Your belly isn't empty. Your child isn't near death from lack of water. Your clothes aren't sticking to you, possibly chafing your skin raw from filth and sweat. You aren't trying not to vomit from the stench of dead bodies.The relief should be there, but because its not, is not a reason to loot stores, thats just the mentally shared by alot of these people. God help those who have found themselves among the lowlife of New Orleans.
kgeaux said:There was a plan. We are finding out exactly how lacking the plan turned out to be in a lot of areas. People were told to get the hell out of Dodge! BUSSES were sent for people who had no way out on their own! Some people chose not to take advantage of the ride away from low-lying areas.
New Orleans issued a MANDATORY evacuation on Sunday, one day before the hurricane hit and two days before the flooding began.
80% of the people did evacuate. 20% stayed behind. I'm thinking that of that 20% MOST OF THEM KNEW a hurricane was coming and decided to ride it out. Well, it's been a rougher ride than they imagined.
Was it stupid to house people in the Super Dome? Yep. Could the plan have been better? Yep. Will it be better next time? I sure hope so.
AS FOR THE LACK OF HELP BEING RACIAL: New Orleans has a black mayor, a black chief of police, a black man heads the utilities department, the educational system, etc. It is a city run by African Americans. I don't think that race has much to do with the things we see going horribly wrong. The head of Acadian Ambulance cancelled rescue missions to hospitals at one point because the ambulances were being attacked. Now we hear of people dying in the hospitals because they haven't been evacuated. Whose fault is it? Rescuers have been shot at! We are hearing of people who still haven't been rescued, God help them. But whose fault is it? Helicopters, shot at!! Is it the fault of the rescuers, or the damn thugs with guns who are strutting around so stupid that they would shoot the ones who come to save them?
kgeaux said:There was a plan. We are finding out exactly how lacking the plan turned out to be in a lot of areas. People were told to get the hell out of Dodge! BUSSES were sent for people who had no way out on their own! Some people chose not to take advantage of the ride away from low-lying areas.
New Orleans issued a MANDATORY evacuation on Sunday, one day before the hurricane hit and two days before the flooding began.
80% of the people did evacuate. 20% stayed behind. I'm thinking that of that 20% MOST OF THEM KNEW a hurricane was coming and decided to ride it out. Well, it's been a rougher ride than they imagined.
Was it stupid to house people in the Super Dome? Yep. Could the plan have been better? Yep. Will it be better next time? I sure hope so.
AS FOR THE LACK OF HELP BEING RACIAL: New Orleans has a black mayor, a black chief of police, a black man heads the utilities department, the educational system, etc. It is a city run by African Americans. I don't think that race has much to do with the things we see going horribly wrong. The head of Acadian Ambulance cancelled rescue missions to hospitals at one point because the ambulances were being attacked. Now we hear of people dying in the hospitals because they haven't been evacuated. Whose fault is it? Rescuers have been shot at! We are hearing of people who still haven't been rescued, God help them. But whose fault is it? Helicopters, shot at!! Is it the fault of the rescuers, or the damn thugs with guns who are strutting around so stupid that they would shoot the ones who come to save them?
Yesterday morning, I saw the White House spokesperson telling us all things weren't that bad. He was spinning like a top. Little was being done, and more absolutely could have. Let's leave aside the question of if people should or shouldn't have left and think for a minute if this were the result of an unanticipated disaster. We'd expect, and we should expect, that we'd have gotten troops there, we'd have moved faster and done more. We get there when it's halfway around the world, but not in our own country.DEPUTYDAWG said:I hate to see the finger-pointing now - get the people taken care of (in flocks of 25,000! at a time) and we can all have the next 5-10 years to analyze what went wrong and where.