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  1. #46
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    When I saw the one perp sketch on Charley Project, Arthur Shawcross came to mind immediately. Although he is remembered as a prostitute killer, in 1972 he lured a 10-year-old named Jack Blake into some woods where he sexually assaulted and murdered the boy. The problem is that Shawcross was apparently in New York the day after Jacob's abduction murdering a woman named June Stott. Extremely unlikely that he made a 16 hour drive to commit two murders
    This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by STANDREID View Post
    When I saw the one perp sketch on Charley Project, Arthur Shawcross came to mind immediatly. Although he is remembered as a prostitue killer, in 1972 he lured a 10-year-old named Jack Blake into some woods where he sexually assaulted and murdered the boy. The problem is that Shawcross was appaerntly in New York the day after Jacob's abduction murdering a woman named June Stott. Extremely unlikely that he made a 16 hour drive to commit two murders
    Unless he hightailed it out of state with Jacob to avoid detection, and then as a result ended up in New York where he murdered June Stott.

    Like Parnell, its not terribly likely but his name should be noted as a potential anyway.

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    Other names that could be added and looked at are suspects from Amy Mihaljevic’s case. Vern Hartenburg, Dean Runkle and others. (Dean Runkle's picture closely matches that of a man with glasses who attempted an abduction in St. Joe before Jacob was taken.)

    Amy Mihaljevic was murdered 25 years ago on October 27, 1989. Fibers found on Amy’s body trace back to a brown Pontiac. Her killer may have kept a number of items that were never recovered. Turquoise horse-head earrings; a Buick “Best in Class” binder; her backpack; her boots.

    The date is very close to Jacob’s abduction, and none of his items (jacket, etc.) where ever found.

    Main site:
    http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.com

    This is a list of those who were questioned other possible suspects who could be checked on also.
    http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.com/p/...-interest.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by shergal View Post
    Other names that could be added and looked at are suspects from Amy Mihaljevic’s case. Vern Hartenburg, Dean Runkle and others. (Dean Runkle's picture closely matches that of a man with glasses who attempted an abduction in St. Joe before Jacob was taken.)

    Amy Mihaljevic was murdered 25 years ago on October 27, 1989. Fibers found on Amy’s body trace back to a brown Pontiac. Her killer may have kept a number of items that were never recovered. Turquoise horse-head earrings; a Buick “Best in Class” binder; her backpack; her boots.

    The date is very close to Jacob’s abduction, and none of his items (jacket, etc.) where ever found.

    Main site:
    http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.com

    This is a list of those who were questioned other possible suspects who could be checked on also.
    http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.com/p/...-interest.html
    It's interesting to me how much more interest there is in Jacob's case than Amy's. Amy's case has 68 posts on WS, Jacob's case has 18,000 posts. They were both 10-year-old kids abducted five days apart in a mysterious and sensational manner. There are suspects for both cases to discuss. They both have the whole bogeyman angle. Maybe if Jacob's abduction had gotten huge national coverage in '89 and it completely overshadowed Amy, that could explain it, but I don't believe that occured. Is it due to Amy being found dead, and Jacob still being missing? But even that doesn't seem like an adequate explanation. Maybe there isn't one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shergal View Post
    Other names that could be added and looked at are suspects from Amy Mihaljevic’s case.
    Amy's killer was IMO found by the FBI and Robert Ressler who says about the prime suspect in his book Whoever Fights Monsters:

    "The day that the finding of Amy's body was reported in the newspapers, the suspect mixed dry gas in a glass of Coke and drank it, committing suicide."*

    This suspect was scrutinized because he inserted himself into the investigation for no legitimate reason and sent a bizarre sympathy card to Amy's mother. The family sanitized his one-room dwelling upon his suicide before the FBI and police could search for conclusive evidence.

    Besides, Amy's body was found. Fairly quickly. Jacob's wasn't. This is of critical importance because it indicates the difference between a sloppy crime committed by a disorganized, mentally unbalanced criminal versus the crime committed by a pro with rational thinking and effective technique as we see in Jacob's case. Amy's case is on many levels different than Jacob's....abducted in a public place, stalked the victim, lured the victim, body found, known attempts by the abductor to lure other girls (the phone calls to Amy and her classmates.)

    There is really a lot of information about abductions in the relevant literature. Looking at the known evidence in Jacob's case and studying it thoroughly is key. We can surmise quite a bit about his abductor based on similar crimes. Similar crimes are not similar because they happened at around the same time. Understanding the factual and evidence-based techniques of criminal profiling and how they relate to Jacob's case will keep us from unlikely connections. The information is out there, use it.



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    N. Minneapolis kidnapper may have struck before.

    http://www.kare11.com/story/news/cri...case/20454041/

    Stranger abductions are very rare -- only about 115 per year nationwide -- and Feigh says the abductors fit a profile.

    "It tends to be people who struggle socially to fit in," says Feigh. "They haven't been able to build relationships with kids so they try to take children instead of building that relationship."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch321 View Post
    N. Minneapolis kidnapper may have struck before.

    http://www.kare11.com/story/news/cri...case/20454041/

    Stranger abductions are very rare -- only about 115 per year nationwide -- and Feigh says the abductors fit a profile.

    "It tends to be people who struggle socially to fit in," says Feigh. "They haven't been able to build relationships with kids so they try to take children instead of building that relationship."
    "It tends to be people who struggle socially to fit in," says Feigh. "They haven't been able to build relationships with kids so they try to take children instead of building that relationship."

    Completing the profile, Feigh says stranger abductors are overwhelmingly white men in their late 20's to early 30's and two thirds have a criminal past

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    One third do not have a criminal past.

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    Meet Vern Hartenburg and Charles Mcneely

    https://youtu.be/gt48pvyE0Co

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    Are you attempting to steer this conversation towards DR? This thread is for Non-POI discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    One third do not have a criminal past.


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    MF What do we "know"

    1) We know MF had a gun or an access to guns (search Webslueths for pic of MF with Gun)
    2) We know MF is an actor and had access to props and make-up (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429875/)
    3) We know MF is an actor and has the ability to change his voice to be a "character" (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429875/)
    4) We know MF was near the scene at or near the time of the abduction (his own words....see link in previous comment)
    5) We know MF had a blue/dark blue police style car (auctioned off police car?.........it had the spotlight)
    6) We know MF had an affinity for radios/scanners (FCC license)
    7) We know MF has molested children in the past on multiple occasions
    8) We know MF rented Police Props ( ) That is MF to the right of the "perp" as the perp crawls out of the manhole cover. I can't prove that MF rented the costumes for that "shoot" (in that I can't provide a verifiable link) so I will just say that in my opinion he rented them for that "shoot".

    What we don't know, is what MF says is his alibi for the night JW was abducted. How do we sleuth the answer to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickleham View Post
    1) We know MF had a gun or an access to guns (search Webslueths for pic of MF with Gun)
    2) We know MF is an actor and had access to props and make-up (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429875/)
    3) We know MF is an actor and has the ability to change his voice to be a "character" (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429875/)
    4) We know MF was near the scene at or near the time of the abduction (his own words....see link in previous comment)
    5) We know MF had a blue/dark blue police style car (auctioned off police car?.........it had the spotlight)
    6) We know MF had an affinity for radios/scanners (FCC license)
    7) We know MF has molested children in the past on multiple occasions
    8) We know MF rented Police Props ( ) That is MF to the right of the "perp" as the perp crawls out of the manhole cover. I can't prove that MF rented the costumes for that "shoot" (in that I can't provide a verifiable link) so I will just say that in my opinion he rented them for that "shoot".

    What we don't know, is what MF says is his alibi for the night JW was abducted. How do we sleuth the answer to that?
    LE has cleared him twice. So why is the solid alibi still a secret? Because if you had to clear him twice, it may take three times. Only LE, MF, or his attorney can make it known, so we have to talk to them.

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    MF Police Costumes

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1429875/ If you scroll down you will see this:

    "The Projection Room (Short) (police uniform supplier) 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by StinkSprings View Post
    Are you attempting to steer this conversation towards DR? This thread is for Non-POI discussion.
    Hm. That is who came to mind ? Interesting.

    If 1/3 do not have a criminal history, that sure increases the candidates.

    What can we post about Hollinger and the guy who was in prison or was it jail who had the car taken apart?

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    Both Freeney and Bahner have put themselves at or near the crime scene that evening. Unless they're all connected somehow someone is lying or embellishing.

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