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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    On the cps issue. What is a civil attorney going to be able to do for wm? A condition of his bond is no contact with any minor child, that includes his bio child. It is probably a mute point as there is a good chance he will be charged with murder before that November 13th hearing, but if not, the best I can imagine a civil attorney doing is telling WM there is nothing he or she can do for him until the condition of his bond is removed and I don't see that changing any time soon.
    I was wondering the same thing. I understand that any parent needs to have representation when interacting with CPS, but in his position it seems moot because he can't have contact with her. I agree with a previous poster who said that maybe this was his way of continuing to control Sini. IMO, there was a lot of controlling going on, and IMO it must gall him to no end that he can't contact HIS wife and child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoirotryInMotion View Post
    Except...if there was a hand-off of the body that Saturday morning, say between 4-5am, and if an accomplice were to store her body in such a way as to preserve it. (Eg. Large freezer.) And then later put the body into that culvert after the area had been searched.

    Just doing some creative brainstorming here - not claiming this as theory quite yet.
    I think if that were the case, I don't see why the person who hid the body would have hid it so close, unless they were colluding with the dad to try and back up his coyote story. If it was someone else, they could have driven to the middle of nowhere and hidden her somewhere she wouldn't have been found for a long time, if ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue22 View Post
    She looks like a random lady walking, to me. Nothing unusual, urgent, or distraught about her demeanor. However, I acknowledge these type of videos are not always seen the same by two people.
    Agreed. What I see is that she is holding her arms stiffly in front of her, and her actions seem so hesitant and furtive. Perhaps anyone in this situation would be doing the same. Just reminds me of others I have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HIM_Darling View Post
    I think its possible the police searched that area on day 1 and missed her being there, especially if there was trash/rocks, etc in the culvert too. Perhaps whoever was searching that area(if they didn't search with dogs) had it in their head that they were looking for a lost little girl, not a dead one and missed a covered up body. Just because they searched the area on day one and didn't find her, doesn't mean she wasn't there.
    Not only this, but the size of a child that small is hard to comprehend. When you think of a toddler, even knowing the height and weight, you forget that they are sooo incredibly tiny. You don't think a 3 year old is going to be the size of many babies who are around the 1 year mark. Depending on her position, she could have looked like a shadow, a small rock... 20lbs doesn't take up much space... Yet as I know this rationally, I don't think I would be looking for a tiny little spot when I am told I am looking for a 3 year old, I would be picturing my own experiences with a 3 year old, someone who is thigh high...

    If Sherin were a missing animal, I think a good visual analogy would be if they said they were looking for a small shepherd dog so you are looking for a shepherd, but in reality they want you searching for an 8 week old shepherd puppy... you wouldn't notice the puppy or notice it when you are looking for a small dog of the same breed... So, with Sherin, if people would have been of the mentality that they were looking for a child who is the size of a 1 year old, rather than a 3 year year old, that could have easily changed things up as far as perspective and perception went in what people thought they were seeing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen730 View Post
    To me this is Caylee Anthony all over again only this time its Dad.
    I think he went to Cosco and bought Large Trash bags,,,,,
    Instead of ToT mom we have Tot Dad!
    This case reminds me of Caylee, too. Except thankfully Sherin didn't lie out there for months and months before someone found her. I hope cause and manner of death will be easy to determine and that this child gets justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
    Ok, I don't understand this business about them searching there before...what does this mean?? So, either he moved her with his tracker on, or someone else placed her there? Or she was just not seen when they searched before? This is troublesome.
    I've never believed that he was the only one involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsdebow View Post
    Forgive double post:
    Your post brings up another aspect. International adoption and the the family adjustment that comes with it. It is not always the fairytale people think of. It takes great dedication and PATIENCE to help a child with such a background to trust and bond. There are many sad endings whether it be adoption disruption, parents overwhelmed and snapping, or worse. It has only been a little more then a year since she was adopted. Not long in the realm of all that is needed for family and child to adjust. I remind myself that this sweet child may not react to situations the same as those not having her background. Could she have run away? Wasn't she found in bushes in India? She seemed to be a survivor. There is a site that lists adopted children who are murdered by a parent/s. The numbers are many.and it is heartbreaking. I appreciate your post. It made me think.
    Yes. Even though I lean in the direction of "something happened in the house," as a adoptive parent who has known a number of adoptive families, I know that those really cute toddlers with enticing pictures can simultaneously be capable of things we might never imagine. Even the most normally developing two-year-olds are a trial to be endured at times. Consider adding to that a child who is also fascinated by playing with fire, or who wanders indiscriminately, who gives hugs to random strangers, or takes things that do not belong to them, or hoards food, or hurts family pets. I recall reading once about an identifying symptom in certain kinds of attachment disorders is the pairing of a kid who appears to be intensely friendly and loveable with a parent who is hypervigilant. The reality is that what we would be seeing is a kid who lacks certain kinds of boundaries and parents who are suffering PTSD from living with that kid and trying to keep them and the rest of the family safe.

    All of which is to say, that you are right. Without evidence we cannot yet totally rule out the possibility of Sherin wandering even what seems too great a distance during the wrong time of day simply because it doesn't fit with what we know about three year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarisaS1985 View Post
    Not only this, but the size of a child that small is hard to comprehend. When you think of a toddler, even knowing the height and weight, you forget that they are sooo incredibly tiny. You don't think a 3 year old is going to be the size of many babies who are around the 1 year mark. Depending on her position, she could have looked like a shadow, a small rock... 20lbs doesn't take up much space... Yet as I know this rationally, I don't think I would be looking for a tiny little spot when I am told I am looking for a 3 year old, I would be picturing my own experiences with a 3 year old, someone who is thigh high...

    If Sherin were a missing animal, I think a good visual analogy would be if they said they were looking for a small shepherd dog so you are looking for a shepherd, but in reality they want you searching for an 8 week old shepherd puppy... you wouldn't notice the puppy or notice it when you are looking for a small dog of the same breed... So, with Sherin, if people would have been of the mentality that they were looking for a child who is the size of a 1 year old, rather than a 3 year year old, that could have easily changed things up as far as perspective and perception went in what people thought they were seeing...
    Right, and then add in that searchers may not have known she was supposedly non-verbal or speech impaired, they may have looked in the culvert, and called out to her, expecting movement or a response, and when they didn't get one, moved on to continue looking for her. We don't know if searchers were informed of WM's crazy story either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    Probably, but it is horrible advice. It makes him look delusional.
    he was in court because he was ordered to appear. It is civil court not criminal but one can be arrested for failure to appear


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen730 View Post
    To me this is Caylee Anthony all over again only this time its Dad.
    I think he went to Cosco and bought Large Trash bags,,,,,
    Instead of ToT mom we have Tot Dad!
    So you think this was premeditated murder? The Costco trip was two days before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grouchymom View Post
    I am sorry for what I am about to type.

    Due to the advanced state of decomposition that 2 weeks in Texas temperatures unless she was in some type of container (bag, box or tub) or wrapped in something resembling a shroud (remember the search warrant fabric and blue string) her body would not have been in shape for a quick move. The odor, sloughing of the skin, bloating, putrification, and insect infestation would all create problems for anyone attempting to move her without protective gear and tools. To then conceal her small limp decomposed body into the culvert would be even more difficult.

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    she were moved by a human, it would have to of been in the early days. There is more than one reason you see LE wearing those white tyvek outfits with shoe covers and gloves. Not only for evidence preservation and to prevent crime scene contamination but everything that comes into contact with a decomposing body and itís by products, absorbs and retains that horrific odor. As bad as the odor we have all experienced driving by old road kill can be, human decomposition is much worse. Only pigs have a similar odor. It stays in your nostrils sometimes for days and it is an odor that is so ďthickĒ you feel like you can taste it. It is bitter and acidic. I only say this not to be disturbingly graphic, but to show how desperate or deranged someone would need to be to move a body if they didnít have to.

    If those claiming to have previously searched that culvert are not trying to get their 15 minutes or are not mistaken or didnít miss her when they looked, then I think any move that might possibly have been made in the last week might have been made by animal predation.


    JMHO
    This last part has me worried. If that was the case, all evidence pointing in the direction of this "Dad" would be tampered with and his BS story may just stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DatelineFan View Post
    So you think this was premeditated murder? The Costco trip was two days before.

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    No I actually thought he got mad rage took over he killed her,

    But I do not believe the milk story the putting her outside by a tree at 3 am
    So its a possibility......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigglingtoes View Post
    We saw a glimpse of her...I dont know how people can say she didnt seem to care or seemed like she was upset, I couldnt see much of anything in the short amount of time they showed her face.
    My post I was referring to both parents, they both IMO looked to be worried, they both looked exhausted etc, but it was more in what they were wearing and such that I had noticed. I would have to look again as I have looked at a ton of different things since I saw it, but if I recall, moms hair was partly up and loosely styled, and dad was wearing a nice and well fitted shirt and pant suit. I KNOW they were attending court, BUT they JUST "found out" that their youngest child is likely DEAD, they have to go to the ME office and help to ID her body.

    Cameras or not, I wouldn't have been digging through a closet and rushing around to make my hair look decent and that sort of thing... Again, this is just my own opinion based on personal experiences with deceased family members. It simply struck me as "odd" or "off" on both parents sides, IF this is the first they knew that Sherin has actually passed.

    I guess my thought is, I spent a TON of time yesterday crying and praying about this tiny body found, praying for Sini and this older daughter, I looked a hot mess with tear stained cheeks, I struggled to fall asleep as I have almost nightly since Sherin went missing, and today I have a crick in my neck, a headache, a messy mom bun and I feel nauseous while waiting to hear any news from LE on the ID of this little one as well as if/when they plan to make an arrest...

    I know from the comments last night that I wasn't the only one very upset, even Maria Guerrero was sobbing in her feed yesterday afternoon, I guess I just feel like I personally could not have pulled it together enough to care about a little bit of vanity (or heck even hygiene), so I wonder how they did.

    I know that Sini seems to have a good support team, with her family and even her lawyer initially seemed to be around the house a lot, so perhaps they helped her and she was just going through the motions while they helped her to be presentable today in court.. We don't know... WM may have the same support from friends or church members or his lawyer... we simply don't know.

    Those few seconds really are a case of judging a book by its cover...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnaPisces View Post
    This last part has me worried. If that was the case, all evidence pointing in the direction of this "Dad" would be tampered with and his BS story may just stand.
    IF animals of any type moved her since she passed, even if it was immediately after, the injuries would be shown to have happened after death, not before. No healing, no active bleeding or signs of bleeding, no defensive wounds, and so on. Plus, they will also be able to check for animal DNA and that sort of thing to see which type of animal whether dog or coyote caused these injuries. This little one wouldn't be the first body to have been moved by animals, even if it is miles, and likely won't be the last, but forensics will be able to say when the injuries occurred, and unless this little one is skeletonized already the body will have a HUGE story to tell, if it is a skeleton already, it would mean TOD was much farther back then two weeks ago, which certainly wouldn't help the case at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarisaS1985 View Post
    IF animals of any type moved her since she passed, even if it was immediately after, the injuries would be shown to have happened after death, not before. No healing, no active bleeding or signs of bleeding, no defensive wounds, and so on. Plus, they will also be able to check for animal DNA and that sort of thing to see which type of animal whether dog or coyote caused these injuries. This little one wouldn't be the first body to have been moved by animals, even if it is miles, and likely won't be the last, but forensics will be able to say when the injuries occurred, and unless this little one is skeletonized already the body will have a HUGE story to tell, if it is a skeleton already, it would mean TOD was much farther back then two weeks ago, which certainly wouldn't help the case at all...
    Thanks Marisa. I'm not thinking today. I'm sure this news has consumed me and I'm not thinking logically.
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