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That's the one. You can see all the very interesting pages here:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6502/primer/primer_cover.html
The complicity of Patsy in coverup.
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That's the one. You can see all the very interesting pages here:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6502/primer/primer_cover.html
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You can access that site and a lot of other stuff, via this one.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682477/FrontPage
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Mrs. Schiller,
You are that childs mother, what does your heart tell you? No matter what someone else tells you, follow your own heart. Until you are given a body to bury or a place to put flowers, then he is still alive in your heart. Dont give up, until you say its time to give up and to Hades with anyone that says different. Again, you are his mother, you will always be his mother and do what you have always done, that which is in his best interest. You are both in my prayers.
How could Patsy be complicit? easy...if she were the type of person to put herself & her family above others, while looking down her nose & judging...that kind of person could never stand to have the tables turned. If that kind of mother knew there was no hope for her daughter, then she wouldn't have a problem, keeping family secrets private. On one hand, Not covering up, wouldn't change the fact that her daughter was dead, but it would essentially ruin their lives. On the other hand, covering up, would at least keep some little bit of normalcy. They would still have money AND be seen as victims, instead of a sick family. MOO.
maddy, I HOPE that certain people are reading this!
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well I know that this doesn't prove anything in a court of law,still,it's very telling isn't it?and it should make people who can really do something about it wonder.......
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Laying JonBenét on her blanket after her death may indicate love for some; however, would placing her directly on the cold and moldy concrete floor shown less love?
For crying out loud: JonBenét was strangled, raped and beat upon the head yet the blanket signifies a sign of love. No. There was no love involved in the murder of JonBenét. JonBenét hated that basement. She did not go willingly into that good night.
There was pineapple found in a bowl in JBRs backpack? So, she did not need to go to the kitchen for pineapple. It was brought upstairs to her room?
Your assuming all of those things were done to her at the same time.
Rape consisted most likely of the paintbrush being inserted....and rubbed on her vaginga...activities that could be post mortem.
Only one bash....not multiple.
Besides, many people who have killed out of love have killed via slit throat and multiple stab wounds. Many people have gunned down their lovers multiple times.
Jonbenet's injuries appear more to me like someone who is squeamish about blood and rape. But yet has no problem defiling a body if necessary.
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tawny, the first mention that I easily recall of JBRs dislike for the basement came from LPH.
Maybe that is written in her Chapter One.
http://www.webbsleuths.com/cgi-bin/dcf/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=2011&forum=DCForumID101
Please refrain from telling me what I assume.
The AR evidence clearly tells us JonBenet was raped while she was alive [She bled].
Her neck was tightly strangled with a nylon cord [Lou Smit claims she was strangled at two different places on her neck.].
Her head suffered a massive fracture as well described in her AR when she was beat or whacked or smashed upon the head with possibly the flashlight or something similar. It only took one solid hit to knock her out.
Please do not diminish JonBenét's injuries nor the horrendous death by stating her vagina suffered a bit of a rub with a paintbrush.
OMO
Maybe that is written in her Chapter One.
http://www.webbsleuths.com/cgi-bin/dcf/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=2011&forum=DCForumID101
Please refrain from telling me what I assume.
The AR evidence clearly tells us JonBenet was raped while she was alive [She bled].
Her neck was tightly strangled with a nylon cord [Lou Smit claims she was strangled at two different places on her neck.].
Her head suffered a massive fracture as well described in her AR when she was beat or whacked or smashed upon the head with possibly the flashlight or something similar. It only took one solid hit to knock her out.
Please do not diminish JonBenét's injuries nor the horrendous death by stating her vagina suffered a bit of a rub with a paintbrush.
OMO
Raped or had an object inserted in her vagina under the assumption she was dead. Big difference desecrating a corpse as opposed to killing your live daughter.
Strangled? or a rope was placed on a suspected corpse?
Yet only one...only one. A low velocity hit from which we still can't place what the murder weapon was.
I think I did say an insertion of an object.
On the same point, her vagina and anus was not torn apart by rough penal pentetration.
Her injuries should not be diminished but nor should they be overblown.
This guys had a knife...would be the easiest thing to ensure she dies would be to slit her through. Yet no. He assumes that strangulation and one head blow will do her in. He had no stomach to attack anyone else during his invasion of the Ramsey house. Hell he doesn't even muddy their their carpet or steal their beer.
This killer had a limit to what he was willing to do. This is a huge clue.
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JonBenét was not dead when her vagina was infiltrated against her wishes whether it was digitally or with a paintbrush.
The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines rape as: "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."
Rape is the commission of unlawful sexual intercourse or unlawful sexual intrusion.
Lack of consent is a necessary element in every rape.
http://kidshealth.org/teen/safety/safebasics/rape_what_to_do.html
The State of Colorado (District Attorney) will have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, the following things for a person to be convicted of sexual assault (otherwise known as rape) pursuant to Colorado Revised Statute 18-3-402:
§ 18-3-402. Sexual assault
(1) Any actor who knowingly inflicts sexual intrusion or sexual penetration on a victim commits sexual assault if:
(a) The actor causes submission of the victim by means of sufficient consequence reasonably calculated to cause submission against the victim's will; or
(b) The actor knows that the victim is incapable of appraising the nature of the victim's conduct; or
(c) The actor knows that the victim submits erroneously, believing the actor to be the victim's spouse; or
(d) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is less than fifteen years of age and the actor is at least four years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim; or
(e) At the time of the commission of the act, the victim is at least fifteen years of age but less than seventeen years of age and the actor is at least ten years older than the victim and is not the spouse of the victim; or
(f) The victim is in custody of law or detained in a hospital or other institution and the actor has supervisory or disciplinary authority over the victim and uses this position of authority to coerce the victim to submit, unless the act is incident to a lawful search; or
(g) The actor, while purporting to offer a medical service, engages in treatment or examination of a victim for other than a bona fide medical purpose or in a manner substantially inconsistent with reasonable medical practices; or
(h) The victim is physically helpless and the actor knows the victim is physically helpless and the victim has not consented.
http://www.colorado-criminal-law.com/colorado-sex-assault-guide/colorado-law-sex-assaultrape.htm
There were several documented knives at the CS. The knives discovered were, according to acandyrose, as follows:
1) A couple of knives on breakfast table (JR 6/98)
2) Red Swiss Army Knife in wine cellar near blanket (Bonita Papers)
3) Wooden handle knife in upstairs kitchen (PR 6/98)
4) Patsy bought Burke a Swiss Army Knife while traveling to Switzerland (Patsy 6/98)
5) Burke's name was on his Swiss Army Knife
6) Pocket knife found on basement counter.
http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-knives.htm
So, should we expect the killer to use one of the above mentioned knives to slit the child's throat on Christmas night? Are you suggesting that BRs Swiss Army knife was dangerously sharp?
Climb out from under the rock and read the AR. Asphyxia from strangulation was the cause of death.
http://crimeshots.com/AutopsyReport.html
CLINOCOPATHOLIGICAL CORRELATION:
Cause of death of this six year old female is asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral trauma.
http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_22446420/jonbenet-ramsey-case-history-grand-jury
I agree. There should be no doubt the killer did not intend to make a bloody mess based on the killing methods chosen and the killing tools selected.
We have ourselves a tidy killer. The murderer even troubled themselves to wipe blood away most traces of blood from JonBenét's upper thighs. Nor, as you suggest, did the murderess track any muddy prints onto the basement or upstairs floors.
omo
No need to take this personally. I sure am not. I will treat you with respect, as I assume you will treat others.
That means nothing, because the killer may have assumed that she was dead. Does the autopsy prove beyond a shadow of doubt what came first? The bash? or the strangulation?