I wasn't thinking cartel, but someone trading Isabel for drugs on a personal basis.. Again, just brainstorming out loud... I just don't see this as a stranger abduction, We can all agree that statistics show how rare those are. That leaves someone close to or within the family, and that leaves only a very few 'reasons' for someone taking Isabel...
How about a neighbor or someone associated with the little league teams? Someone not close but who may have been in the house once or twice?
I just read what one neighbor said about why the Celis' (Sergio and Becky) moved to that house.
"The Pikes say the Celis family is very loving and very caring. They moved into the neighborhood so they could be closer to one of their mother's who suffered a stroke."
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The grandfather has appeared on camera, but he seemed to stick very close to his house. I now understand why.
The abuelos are Sergio's parents.
First thing I thought of when I heard possible criticism of the abuelos for not speaking out - that they may be too old or too sick.
But, I will go a step further. This little girl has a large extended family in Tuscon, it appears. We have only seen some of them at the presser when the family made their statement.
But, if we connect the dots via FB, the family appears to be very, very active in finding Isabel. Fundraisers, flyer drives, arranging masses for Isabel, talking to businesses, etc. I do not at all agree that Hispanic families would be all over the news at a time like this.
My thoughts weren't necessarily regarding illegal narcotics. Becky Celis is a nurse who likely has access to prescription narcotics at TMC. Having been involved in dance and theatre, I know that there is a lot of alcohol and drug use, illicit sexual activity, etc. associated with performing artists. It's possible that Sergio Celis comes in contact with unsavory characters through the local opera company. I'm not suggesting that the parents are involved in Isabel's disappearance; I'm simply pointing out a possibility based on personal experience. :moo:
Well, I kind of have to smile a tiny, tiny bit! My whole family are musicians, both sides. Flamenco, jazz, middle eastern, rock and classical. My brothers have performed in classical music orchestras off and on since childhood (youth symphony orchestras as children). One is currently playing bass in two orchestras.
Drugs are certainly a huge part of the music/performance industry. But not in classical, which includes opera. The most you might get is a bit too much wine drinking at an end of season party or possibly a few people with a secret "personal" problem.
My oldest brother did a lot of "partying" in his early 20's. It was for exactly that reason he did not stay, at that time, on the classical, serious route as a career and veered off into jazz and rock. He is now back in classical orchestras and regrets being immature and wanting to party instead of fostering his career in the more disciplined, serious world of classical.
I've seen it all my life. They are much more responsible, have stricter schedules and tend to be comprised of carefully nurtured adults who come from straight families that could afford classical music training and who spent a childhood and early adulthood practicing and playing, rather than partying. So it's kind of not the same environment as the rest of the music world.
I just don't see a big drug connection that led to drug debts or whatever, coming from Sergio's opera career. But, I guess anything is possible.
I have a question and that is why do some people think the uncle may be involved. Can we sleuth him? Does he have a reputation, drug involvement? The interviews I have seen he appears caucasion. Or am I seeing someone else? I am not saying he couldn't be but I haven't seen anything to make me think so. Can you direct me to something? tia
I don't know that he is. Nothing about him concerned me until I realized he was using the past tense and that he may have been a self-appointed spokesperson to the annoyance of the family. Here's what I posted yesterday on reasons why some are concerned about the uncle. I'm adding the past tense verbiage:
1.Someone likely had to know which room was Isabel's if she was taken from the house. To me, a likely scenario is that someone fixated on her and decided to "take" her. That someone must have been watching the family and the house or knew the home layout well and the family patterns. So, someone close.
2. The uncle has been on the news. People don't know who else is involved with this family. So, they hone in on him.
3. Many posters have been molested by uncles and view it as a viable concern in this case.
4. Some people got a hinky vibe when hearing him speak on the news.
5. Some people are concerned that he has references to bikini season and half naked women on his FB (I'm not. That points AWAY from being a pedophile to me, and is probably not abnormal for a young, single guy, although for many it seems to give them an overall "pervy" vibe).
6. He apparently has a criminal record of some kind. I don't know what that is, haven't seen it and so I don't know whether it is relevant.
7. FB posts of his indicate a move or visit to AZ around Jan. of last year.
8. Shortly after those posts, the uncle posted he loved being loved and loved being an uncle, which may indicate a new relationship with Isabel and her brothers.
9. Since Isabel is missing, it is logical to look at anything different in the family dynamic. An uncle who moved there a little over a year ago, could be that change.
10. Apparently the neighbor states the uncle came by with the dad around 8:00 a.m.. We don't know if it is this uncle but if so, it indicates he was there or very nearby.
11. Someone posted that on another site, it was indicated the uncle was not appointed the family spokesperson, took it upon himself early on to insert himself in the case with the media and that the family is annoyed by this. I will note that if true, that would raise an alarm with me. But, for now this is rumor only. I also note that we have not seen him on the news since the early days of the investigation.
12. He used the past tense when speaking about Isabel, only two days after she was reported missing.
Above BBM for specific emphasis!!
Moo but this definitely deserves repeating for emphasis as IMO the googled drive distance is EXTREMELY MISLEADING and upon just looking at the drive distance and not looking at a map to see the factual extremely close proximity of where the "mystery man" is from the Celis home..
It's ONE BLOCK, if that and that is NOT A "city block" but rather a residential neighborhood block .. If one were to measure it off I'd guesstimate it as being UNDER 50yards away is the Celis home from where the "mystery man" is seen on the corner lot..
Moo but it's definitely worth the few moments its takes to review the newly released YT video of 1:15mins in length.. That way each person can see for themselves just what a very short distance that this "mystery man" is seen from the Celis home.. And IMO even more concerning he is there alone, attempting to conceal his being there from the group of 5 people that are seen walking by, and the fact that this was 1:30am the actual morning of Isabel's abduction.. Definitely possible to somehow be linked to what's happened to Isa.. Coincidences such as this really are few and far between in investigations of abduction/homicide..
Again all jmo, tho!
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Posting via mobile as well as via tablet so plz forgive all typos.. Btwn the sucky touch keyboard and the obsessive auto-correct it's a big ol' mess :crazy:
I was shocked to see how close her house is to commercial areas. Just yards. I had no idea.