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It doesn't preclude her. But I'm not feelling sorry for her either. She willingly put herself into this position.
2011.06.21 TRIAL Day Twenty-four (Morning Session)
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It doesn't preclude her. But I'm not feelling sorry for her either. She willingly put herself into this position.
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Dr. Bock did not know that the hip bone was buried in 4 inches of muck? And she thinks that a dog or a coyote could have buried it!! OMG.
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I am impressed (once again) with JA. He really modified his tone and I think it was extremely effective.
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Or A Dog Buried it ? OMG, she did not just say that!
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OMG OMG OMG JA actually had to catch himself "A dog buried it?"
Or a coyote.
JA: "No, we not blessed with coyotes here".
JA: No further questions.
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:
That was priceless.
Or a coyote.
JA: "No, we not blessed with coyotes here".
JA: No further questions.
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:
That was priceless.
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9:50
DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DR. BOCK BY DS - continued
She can not tell how old the roots are by looking at the roots in photos because she does not know what plants the roots came from - growth rates - mineral nature of the soil, water, other plant roots in the area - environmental factors.
Determining root growth rate - must know what type plant and time-space observations done with a ruler, notebook and camera or you would do it in a lab.
No further questions.
CROSS EXAMINATION BY JA
She is from Colorado. Florida was the site of her PhD and has had individual research projects in Florida. Got her PhD in 1966 from UC Berkley. PhD work was looking at the distribution of water hyacinths up and down the state. She also studied the food habits of the tortoise in Florida from 1980 to 1990. She was also friends of Robert Long who wrote the first book on flora in Florida. She has used field guides to become familiar with thousands of plants in Florida in general, not for this case.
She visited recovery area and reviewed a large number of photos from pristine form to excavation. This botanical area has been characterized as a swamp/hardwood - but that is an interesting term. Part of the plants are upland plants that are not wet all the time.
Opinion that body could have been there as little as 2 weeks is based on looking at all of the material in this case. Photos of roots growing through hair mass - roots could have accumulated in as little as two weeks. They also could have grown there in as little as two weeks. Roots growing through laundry bag - this could also have occurred in only 2 weeks in December. Roots growing into bones - she saw photos and actual bones - this growth is suspected to have been able to have grown in 2 weeks, but she is not an expert on bones.
She has seen root growth in skeletons. Regarding her 2011 depo - she answered that she had not had experience with root growth in skeletons. She now says - not in teaching. However, she belongs to an organization and was present at a crime scene where she observed a 10 year old skeleton where she saw roots. She did not think about this when the question was asked in her depo.
Her experience in root growth in bones is limited.
In the photo of the skull (Exhibit S-211) (ICA looking away) - leaf litter or possibly hummus collected to the height of the nose area. This could accumulate in two weeks.
(Exhibit S-213) (ICA still looking away) photo of skull returned to ME with the leaf litter around it collected with it. She agreed the leaves are in varying degrees of decomp - some green, some yellow, some brown and some completely grey. This is a reflection of when the leaves fell from trees.
She doesn't understand exactly how this collection was made. JA told her that the ME put his hands approx 6 inches on either side of the skull, reached into the ground at dirt level and tried to lift the entire leaf litter around the skull.
Given the hypothesis....
(OBJECTION BY DS - overruled)
that this had laid there undesturbed, then yes this would have been there longer than 2 weeks.
Her opinion is based on the fact that the litter that was displayed in the 2/09 picture was accumulated on ground that was scraped bare by the 15th of December. (D-29)
She is familiar with leaf fall rates for trees indigenous to Florida.
In D-29 the amount of leaf litter could have been the same as that shown in the photo. She did not measure the leaf litter in any area.
(ICA continues to look down and shake her head)
Why no leaf fall on right side of photo?
OBJECTION BY DS - OVERRULED
Why is that? Several possibilities - people trampling around. This was a frequently visited spot after the recovery. Another is wind action, animals is another and the nature of the trees themselves. Leaf fall rates depend on the kind of tree. This flora is semi-tropic and some plants are evergreen and maintain leaves all year long, but still shed leaves. Other plants just drop leaves in the fall.
She indicated where on this photo she was told the skull was found. Mr. McKenna showed her the location. He had visited the scene earlier with LKB and other forensic scientists.
Can you render an opinion as to when the remains were placed? She then said she did render one. It is her opinion that it was a couple of weeks before.
2/12/11 depo - she said "NO" she wasn't able to render an opinion as to how long before the remains were found that they were placed there. She knows why she said that - she doesn't know exactly when it was placed there. The minimum of two weeks is her best guess. That is not the maximum. It is also possible it was a great deal longer than 2 weeks.
No further questions.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY DS
The remains are in a semi-tropical area. She has studied plants in semi-tropical areas for 30 years and has taught this for 31+ years.
If a bone fragment has a hole in it, a root cannot grow in the hole. Depending on what kind of root, it can grow into an opening.
She saw the log near the remains. She did not see fallen leaf-litter on that log. That inspired her to look at the log to determine if it had turned over or laid in that position for a long time. JW's summary report indicated it took 2 people to move it so she supposed it was heavy. What information...
OBJECTION BY JA - OVERRULED
She believed indications regarding leaf litter could have indicated many things.
Hummus and leaf litter - she was asked to draw hummus and leaf litter. The top layer of soil is hummus. She drew an example. Then remnants appear on top and through the process of decay they get incorporated into the hummus.
Conditions...
OBJECTION BY JA - SUSTAINED
Photos of remains prior to being removed -
OBJECTION BY JA - question withdrawn
If you place an item on leaf litter and the leaf litter and hummus are very wet, the item can sink.
No further questions.
RE-RE-CROSS EXAMINATION BY JA:
The skull could have sunk. She was not aware that one of the bones had been buried in 4" of muck. This could have been buried by a dog.
Witness excused at 10:35
Recess for Jury to 10:55, attorneys to be back at 10:50.
DIRECT EXAMINATION OF DR. BOCK BY DS - continued
She can not tell how old the roots are by looking at the roots in photos because she does not know what plants the roots came from - growth rates - mineral nature of the soil, water, other plant roots in the area - environmental factors.
Determining root growth rate - must know what type plant and time-space observations done with a ruler, notebook and camera or you would do it in a lab.
No further questions.
CROSS EXAMINATION BY JA
She is from Colorado. Florida was the site of her PhD and has had individual research projects in Florida. Got her PhD in 1966 from UC Berkley. PhD work was looking at the distribution of water hyacinths up and down the state. She also studied the food habits of the tortoise in Florida from 1980 to 1990. She was also friends of Robert Long who wrote the first book on flora in Florida. She has used field guides to become familiar with thousands of plants in Florida in general, not for this case.
She visited recovery area and reviewed a large number of photos from pristine form to excavation. This botanical area has been characterized as a swamp/hardwood - but that is an interesting term. Part of the plants are upland plants that are not wet all the time.
Opinion that body could have been there as little as 2 weeks is based on looking at all of the material in this case. Photos of roots growing through hair mass - roots could have accumulated in as little as two weeks. They also could have grown there in as little as two weeks. Roots growing through laundry bag - this could also have occurred in only 2 weeks in December. Roots growing into bones - she saw photos and actual bones - this growth is suspected to have been able to have grown in 2 weeks, but she is not an expert on bones.
She has seen root growth in skeletons. Regarding her 2011 depo - she answered that she had not had experience with root growth in skeletons. She now says - not in teaching. However, she belongs to an organization and was present at a crime scene where she observed a 10 year old skeleton where she saw roots. She did not think about this when the question was asked in her depo.
Her experience in root growth in bones is limited.
In the photo of the skull (Exhibit S-211) (ICA looking away) - leaf litter or possibly hummus collected to the height of the nose area. This could accumulate in two weeks.
(Exhibit S-213) (ICA still looking away) photo of skull returned to ME with the leaf litter around it collected with it. She agreed the leaves are in varying degrees of decomp - some green, some yellow, some brown and some completely grey. This is a reflection of when the leaves fell from trees.
She doesn't understand exactly how this collection was made. JA told her that the ME put his hands approx 6 inches on either side of the skull, reached into the ground at dirt level and tried to lift the entire leaf litter around the skull.
Given the hypothesis....
(OBJECTION BY DS - overruled)
that this had laid there undesturbed, then yes this would have been there longer than 2 weeks.
Her opinion is based on the fact that the litter that was displayed in the 2/09 picture was accumulated on ground that was scraped bare by the 15th of December. (D-29)
She is familiar with leaf fall rates for trees indigenous to Florida.
In D-29 the amount of leaf litter could have been the same as that shown in the photo. She did not measure the leaf litter in any area.
(ICA continues to look down and shake her head)
Why no leaf fall on right side of photo?
OBJECTION BY DS - OVERRULED
Why is that? Several possibilities - people trampling around. This was a frequently visited spot after the recovery. Another is wind action, animals is another and the nature of the trees themselves. Leaf fall rates depend on the kind of tree. This flora is semi-tropic and some plants are evergreen and maintain leaves all year long, but still shed leaves. Other plants just drop leaves in the fall.
She indicated where on this photo she was told the skull was found. Mr. McKenna showed her the location. He had visited the scene earlier with LKB and other forensic scientists.
Can you render an opinion as to when the remains were placed? She then said she did render one. It is her opinion that it was a couple of weeks before.
2/12/11 depo - she said "NO" she wasn't able to render an opinion as to how long before the remains were found that they were placed there. She knows why she said that - she doesn't know exactly when it was placed there. The minimum of two weeks is her best guess. That is not the maximum. It is also possible it was a great deal longer than 2 weeks.
No further questions.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY DS
The remains are in a semi-tropical area. She has studied plants in semi-tropical areas for 30 years and has taught this for 31+ years.
If a bone fragment has a hole in it, a root cannot grow in the hole. Depending on what kind of root, it can grow into an opening.
She saw the log near the remains. She did not see fallen leaf-litter on that log. That inspired her to look at the log to determine if it had turned over or laid in that position for a long time. JW's summary report indicated it took 2 people to move it so she supposed it was heavy. What information...
OBJECTION BY JA - OVERRULED
She believed indications regarding leaf litter could have indicated many things.
Hummus and leaf litter - she was asked to draw hummus and leaf litter. The top layer of soil is hummus. She drew an example. Then remnants appear on top and through the process of decay they get incorporated into the hummus.
Conditions...
OBJECTION BY JA - SUSTAINED
Photos of remains prior to being removed -
OBJECTION BY JA - question withdrawn
If you place an item on leaf litter and the leaf litter and hummus are very wet, the item can sink.
No further questions.
RE-RE-CROSS EXAMINATION BY JA:
The skull could have sunk. She was not aware that one of the bones had been buried in 4" of muck. This could have been buried by a dog.
Witness excused at 10:35
Recess for Jury to 10:55, attorneys to be back at 10:50.
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I don't want a recess! This is fun!
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So much for Dr Bock! omg.
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Just got the stream on. I did see the very end of JA's cross. Was a little confuses since he was standing next to DS.
Well, she is finally getting to talk today? Is JB in a time out?
I've seen 5 minutes and this witness isn't so good. She looked so thrilled to get to use the easel. A dog buried it or possibly a coyote? Yeah, that's a good theory.
Well, she is finally getting to talk today? Is JB in a time out?
I've seen 5 minutes and this witness isn't so good. She looked so thrilled to get to use the easel. A dog buried it or possibly a coyote? Yeah, that's a good theory.
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Maybe it was RK's dog who buried the bone.
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah, that's it.
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Bock testifies that a dog might have buried the bone. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 9:35 AM
#CaseyAnthony Oh no she didn't! Before leaving the stand Bock suggested a dog or coyote could have buried skelton. What?!
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 9:35 AM
Bock says she didn't know one bone was buried in 4 inches into muck. She says. Dog could have buried it. Jeff Ashton slightly laughed.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:35 AM
Ashton tells Bock that hipbone was buried 4in in much. Saying it was there longer than 2 weeks. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 9:35 AM
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 9:35 AM
#CaseyAnthony Oh no she didn't! Before leaving the stand Bock suggested a dog or coyote could have buried skelton. What?!
by amandaoberwesh via twitter at 9:35 AM
Bock says she didn't know one bone was buried in 4 inches into muck. She says. Dog could have buried it. Jeff Ashton slightly laughed.
by cfnews13casey via twitter at 9:35 AM
Ashton tells Bock that hipbone was buried 4in in much. Saying it was there longer than 2 weeks. #CaseyAnthony
by oscaseyanthony via twitter at 9:35 AM
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Dr Bock: bone found 4 inches under ground may have been buried by dog or coyote.
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