The only victim here is Trayvon. GZ has been accused of murder, so he is not a victim. There is absolutely no proof that Trayvon started the fight or was beating GZ. We only have GZ's word on that. Trayvon is the victim here.
Casey Anthony did!
You do realize all the unconfirmed,incomplete information, in regards to Zimmerman's past,will never make it into the court room, don't you? IMO That is, if this case ever goes to trial.
Thanks for the update...it was at or near 1/2 a million when the charges were officially brought against GZ. Quadrupling is, IMO, a good thing.
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While reading through the Neighborhood Watch Handbook the other day I noticed some key words/phrases that are in the non-emergancy call between Zimmerman and the dispatcher. It struck me as odd that Zimmerman would use those key words/phrases as if he had paid close attention to the training class that was given at the condo complex and/or he had paid very close attention to the handbook when it came to what qualifies as a reason to notify LE. Below I have listed first the quoted portion of Zimmerman's conversation with the dispatcher followed by the quote from the handbook.
"This guy looks like he is up to no good or he's on drugs or something....." ~ Behaving strangely. Possibly on drugs or illegal activity.
"It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about......" ~ Gathering (loitering) for an extended or unusual period of time. Possible burglary, arson, or drug dealing.
"He's got his hands in his waistband......." and "He's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is......" ~ With any sort of weapon(s). Possibly planning any number of crimes. and Carrying, concealing or transporting anything unusual. Possible burglar carrying stolen property.
"He's running......" and "He ran......" ~ Running, especially if carrying something of
value. Possible suspect fleeing scene of crime.
Now, if Zimmerman knew to report those specific things to get the SPD to the complex quickly then how did he not know to NOT follow Trayvon (or any other "suspicious" person) since that is also clearly stated in the Neighborhood Watch Handbook and was covered during the training class?!? I truly am starting to believe that Zimmerman fully intended to force Trayvon to stop where he was at all costs, even if it meant shooting him. If that is the case then I don't see how in the world SYG can be used for Zimmerman's benefit.
MOO
Forgot the links:
City of Sanford website with link to the Neighborhood Watch Handbook
http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html
Link to the non-emergancy call that night between Zimmerman and the dispatcher
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...e-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin
We also have the investigator's testimony that he has no evidence who started the fight.
Trayvon is a victim, but until GZ is found guilty, I will go on considering him a victim as well.
While reading through the Neighborhood Watch Handbook the other day I noticed some key words/phrases that are in the non-emergancy call between Zimmerman and the dispatcher. It struck me as odd that Zimmerman would use those key words/phrases as if he had paid close attention to the training class that was given at the condo complex and/or he had paid very close attention to the handbook when it came to what qualifies as a reason to notify LE. Below I have listed first the quoted portion of Zimmerman's conversation with the dispatcher followed by the quote from the handbook.
"This guy looks like he is up to no good or he's on drugs or something....." ~ Behaving strangely. Possibly on drugs or illegal activity.
"It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about......" ~ Gathering (loitering) for an extended or unusual period of time. Possible burglary, arson, or drug dealing.
"He's got his hands in his waistband......." and "He's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is......" ~ With any sort of weapon(s). Possibly planning any number of crimes. and Carrying, concealing or transporting anything unusual. Possible burglar carrying stolen property.
"He's running......" and "He ran......" ~ Running, especially if carrying something of
value. Possible suspect fleeing scene of crime.
Now, if Zimmerman knew to report those specific things to get the SPD to the complex quickly then how did he not know to NOT follow Trayvon (or any other "suspicious" person) since that is also clearly stated in the Neighborhood Watch Handbook and was covered during the training class?!? I truly am starting to believe that Zimmerman fully intended to force Trayvon to stop where he was at all costs, even if it meant shooting him. If that is the case then I don't see how in the world SYG can be used for Zimmerman's benefit.
MOO
Forgot the links:
City of Sanford website with link to the Neighborhood Watch Handbook
http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html
Link to the non-emergancy call that night between Zimmerman and the dispatcher
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...e-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin
I think it certainly possible that the Zimmerman family has received threats of harm or even death. There is plenty of crazy or misguided people who are capable of doing that. I agree that it would be a good idea to report any threats to LE. JMO.
A victim of what?
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Hopefully someone remembers or can point me to the spot to find it, but, where was the Arizona Tea and Skittles found on Trayvon? Were they in his pocket of the hoodie he was wearing? I have a theory about the "broken nose" that Zimmerman supposedly suffered.
Also, most hoodies have the pocket in the front center near the waist, yes?
TIA
Sources tell ABC News that investigators have seen the photograph and are aware of the photographers story.
The person who took the photograph told ABC News he heard Martin and Zimmerman fighting before the shooting and that after Martin was killed, Zimmerman asked the photographer to call Zimmermans wife, allegedly blurting out, Man, just tell her I shot someone.
GPS and other data embedded in the photo shows it was taken at the scene with an iPhone just three minutes after the shooting, according to ABC News.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../20/ng.01.htmlFirst of all, to you, Mr. Taaffe, do you believe it helped George Zimmerman to take the stand today?
TAAFFE: Absolutely. George is being George. Nancy, a couple weeks ago you wanted to see blood on a shirt. Now you have blood on the head. So, America, you have your blood. I`m also going to share with you this, that was a photo of George Zimmerman, and I know who the neighbor was that took it. And he came forward only to support George Zimmerman. And more of our neighbors are coming out --
GRACE: So, I`m taking it to believe --
TAAFFE: Are coming out to support him. They are going to support him.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../27/ng.01.htmlJOE OLIVER, FRIEND OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: About his injuries? About his broken nose and about the gashes on the back of his head?
GRACE: Yes.
OLIVER: That they happened. We are efforting, rather, a picture that was taken by one of the police investigators on the scene on an iPhone before George was cleaned up to show the severity of the beating.
By the same token... after reading many vile and disgusting comments posted after articles on MSM links such as CNN, I have no doubt whatsoever that Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin are also receiving much hate mail and possibly threats as well. That knife cuts both ways. It's not right in EITHER case. However, Zimmerman's family has more to gain by claiming such threats. Sympathy, extra protection, etc...
JMO
While reading through the Neighborhood Watch Handbook the other day I noticed some key words/phrases that are in the non-emergancy call between Zimmerman and the dispatcher. It struck me as odd that Zimmerman would use those key words/phrases as if he had paid close attention to the training class that was given at the condo complex and/or he had paid very close attention to the handbook when it came to what qualifies as a reason to notify LE. Below I have listed first the quoted portion of Zimmerman's conversation with the dispatcher followed by the quote from the handbook.
"This guy looks like he is up to no good or he's on drugs or something....." ~ Behaving strangely. Possibly on drugs or illegal activity.
"It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about......" ~ Gathering (loitering) for an extended or unusual period of time. Possible burglary, arson, or drug dealing.
"He's got his hands in his waistband......." and "He's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is......" ~ With any sort of weapon(s). Possibly planning any number of crimes. and Carrying, concealing or transporting anything unusual. Possible burglar carrying stolen property.
"He's running......" and "He ran......" ~ Running, especially if carrying something of
value. Possible suspect fleeing scene of crime.
Now, if Zimmerman knew to report those specific things to get the SPD to the complex quickly then how did he not know to NOT follow Trayvon (or any other "suspicious" person) since that is also clearly stated in the Neighborhood Watch Handbook and was covered during the training class?!? I truly am starting to believe that Zimmerman fully intended to force Trayvon to stop where he was at all costs, even if it meant shooting him. If that is the case then I don't see how in the world SYG can be used for Zimmerman's benefit.
MOO
Forgot the links:
City of Sanford website with link to the Neighborhood Watch Handbook
http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html
Link to the non-emergancy call that night between Zimmerman and the dispatcher
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...e-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin
While reading through the Neighborhood Watch Handbook the other day I noticed some key words/phrases that are in the non-emergancy call between Zimmerman and the dispatcher. It struck me as odd that Zimmerman would use those key words/phrases as if he had paid close attention to the training class that was given at the condo complex and/or he had paid very close attention to the handbook when it came to what qualifies as a reason to notify LE. Below I have listed first the quoted portion of Zimmerman's conversation with the dispatcher followed by the quote from the handbook.
"This guy looks like he is up to no good or he's on drugs or something....." ~ Behaving strangely. Possibly on drugs or illegal activity.
"It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about......" ~ Gathering (loitering) for an extended or unusual period of time. Possible burglary, arson, or drug dealing.
"He's got his hands in his waistband......." and "He's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is......" ~ With any sort of weapon(s). Possibly planning any number of crimes. and Carrying, concealing or transporting anything unusual. Possible burglar carrying stolen property.
"He's running......" and "He ran......" ~ Running, especially if carrying something of
value. Possible suspect fleeing scene of crime.
Now, if Zimmerman knew to report those specific things to get the SPD to the complex quickly then how did he not know to NOT follow Trayvon (or any other "suspicious" person) since that is also clearly stated in the Neighborhood Watch Handbook and was covered during the training class?!? I truly am starting to believe that Zimmerman fully intended to force Trayvon to stop where he was at all costs, even if it meant shooting him. If that is the case then I don't see how in the world SYG can be used for Zimmerman's benefit.
MOO
Forgot the links:
City of Sanford website with link to the Neighborhood Watch Handbook
http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html
Link to the non-emergancy call that night between Zimmerman and the dispatcher
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/vide...e-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin
By the same token... after reading many vile and disgusting comments posted after articles on MSM links such as CNN, I have no doubt whatsoever that Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin are also receiving much hate mail and possibly threats as well. That knife cuts both ways. It's not right in EITHER case. However, Zimmerman's family has more to gain by claiming such threats. Sympathy, extra protection, etc...
JMO
Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin deserve just as much sympathy and protection from the nut jobs out there as the Zimmerman family does. I don't believe either family gains anything by being threatened. JMO.
If I were getting death threats I'd be calling the cops, post haste! It's absurd to think that they got threats and did nothing, especially since they seem to want sympathy from these calls. JUST MY OPINION!!
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