KoldKase,
I would expect Patsy to do the same, she says she sourced the longjohns from a drawer in JonBenet's bathroom, so why not the underwear?
You may be right. The problem, as ever, is when we only have the testimony of the only prime suspects ever identified in this case, it's hard to know what really happened, in what sequence, other than what the evidence tells us. In the case of what JonBenet was wearing when her body was left in the basement, we don't really know when she was dressed in the longjohns or the large Bloomies. It could have been at two different times: perhaps the longjohns were put on JB upstairs, much as Patsy said, or maybe JB dressed herself; perhaps the too large Bloomies were then put on the body in the basement during the redressing.
Since there was so much staging, it's hard to even know what evidence is real or faked, like the ransom note. But JB's clothes that she wore to the White's party that evening can be seen on the adjacent twin bed in JB's bedroom, in crime scene photos, I believe. I've even played a bit with one photo to make sure her long socks were laid out there, as well, which you can see at FFJ in the case library photo section:
At the bottom of this page, the enlargement:
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And here are more photos from the bedroom with clothing scattered around:
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Here is John's Response to the size-12 question:
John's Atlanta 2000 Interview, excerpt
Patsy's Atlanta 2000 Interview, excerpt
So looks like Patsy purchased a set of Bloomingdales for JonBenet, also note the confirmation that Patsy was not in town when JonBenet was in the Christmas parade, so who was looking after her?
Patsy's Atlanta 2000 Interview, excerpt
Nothing about Bloomindales or day of the week here.
Another source for the underwear is Holly Smith ex-member of Boulder County Sexual Abuse team
Vaginal trauma may be code for staging, but prior vaginal trauma? IMO, the politically correct phrasing breaks down here.
Thanks for posting these. It is still a bit ambiguous, though, don't you think? Logic would lead me to speculate that Patsy did buy JB her own size in the Bloomies. But still, it's not stated as a fact of evidence collected, more of a deduction...? It could be read that JB picked out the Bloomies for her cousin.
But for the sake of argument, let's say JB did pick a package out for herself; why would Patsy or John, or an intruder, for that matter, not just take a pair which fit her out of the drawer? I guess knowing if there were various weekdays of panties in the drawer and particularly a Wednesday pair, we might be able to deduce the large pair were not put on her because they were the only available day of the week that was accurate for that Christmas Day--Wednesday. So one small question would be answered: the too large Bloomies would have been put on for another reason.
Looking at what Holly Smith said, though, I believe there's a clue about the panties found in the drawer by LE:
"Smith says most of the panties in JonBenet’s dresser drawers had been soiled with fecal material." If JB had an entire package of Bloomies in her own size which were new, astonishing that they would already be stained, as it had only been one month since the NY trip when they were purchased, in Nov. of '96, before Thanksgiving. Also I notice that Smith said the panties were in "dresser drawers," but Patsy said JB's underwear were kept in her bathroom cabinet in a drawer, didn't she? Maybe it's a slip of the tongue--bathroom drawer/dresser drawer, but I think of a "dresser" as a piece of furniture, like in a bedroom set. JB did have a dresser, right between her beds. See how the details can be so singular, yet can make all the difference: if JB had underwear in two places, for instance, then we have even more questions. But if there was only one drawer for underwear, and most were stained, then were all the "new" pairs in the laundry? Were they stained, as well? Could Patsy possibly allow her little girl to soil her underwear so without some kind of concern, leading to questions, maybe painful discoveries? Remember the three calls to Dr. Beuf within an hr., after office hrs., on or around Dec. 17th? Calls Patsy couldn't remember making, nor why?
I really believe that JonBenet had been molested prior to that night, according to the autopsy and the experts; so did Patsy ever notice blood in JB's underwear? I would think she had bled from the trauma to her hymen; how could Patsy not notice this? My opinion: she had noticed, and this led to the tension that ended in JB's death, whether it was related directly or indirectly. So maybe there were missing panties; I wonder if LE ever matched up a whole set of day-of-the-week Bloomies in JB's size from those they collected, determined if they were new, etc. What I want to know is where are the underwear JB was wearing before the size 12-14 ended up on her dead body.
Patsy's mother and father, Nedra and Don Paugh, were in Boulder and kept the children while John and Patsy were in New York with the Stines for a few days, during the Christmas Parade that year. We have a photo of JonBenet riding in the parade on the back seat of a convertible, I believe I remember. Burke marched with the Boy Scouts, as he and the son of JR's pilot, Archuleta, had done the previous Christmas Parade, as well. That was on a Friday night. The Ramseys returned to Boulder on Saturday, when John had a company party that night, if I haven't mixed the timeline up.
I guess I'm a bit anal retentive about the evidence. I want to see a credible source lay it out in black and white for me. I've never seen that credible source state JB had her own appropriate sized Bloomies day-of-the-week panties in her drawer, though I did see a credible source state the maid Linda said JB wore day-of-the-week panties. Can't remember who, though...probably in one of the earlier books? :waitasec: