Unless, of course...that IS where they had BEEN previously kept, and they removed and hid them after the murder.
Ames,
I think LHP is on record as seeing the size-12's in JonBenet's bedroom dresser drawer, unopened?
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Unless, of course...that IS where they had BEEN previously kept, and they removed and hid them after the murder.
It would be found out that the panitbrush hadle came from the Ramsey home. It is highly unlikely that the "small foreign faction", in the process of abducting JonBet, stumbling through the dark basement with the body, would be thinking, "now while we're at it, let's take a this paintbrush here with us and see if we can later construct a torture instrument with that!" Sounds absurd imo.
You mean she was manually strangled first? But why strangle her manually when if she has already been whacked on the head?
Yes, PR said she bought them in Bloomingdale's on the New York trip she made that November. She said she bought a set for JBR (size 6) and a set for another relative (the size 12s).
does anyone know when they would have been seeing the niece again? or would Patsy have likely just mailed those? it doesn't seem they were for xmas,unless she was just late sending them or they had plans to see her later on.I'm JW if they were already wrapped or not.
Yes, JR's actions and behavior speak volumes to me about his guilt. He may or may not be the murderer, but he is involved in the events of that night.
PR is dead now. An innocent man, with other children who have been living with that awful night for 10 years, would say SOMETHING at this point. But what could he say, really? If he blames his late wife, well, HE helped cover it up that night, and obstructed justice these past 10 years. That's a crime in it's own right.
The only way a husband and wife would stick by each other the way the Ramsey's did, and blame close friends to divert attention away from them, would be if they were covering up a murder, hopefully an accidental one, that had been committed by their other child. They concocted the whole story to protect him. Think about it.
does anyone know when they would have been seeing the niece again? or would Patsy have likely just mailed those? it doesn't seem they were for xmas,unless she was just late sending them or they had plans to see her later on.I'm JW if they were already wrapped or not.
JMO, I don't have a personal copy of DOI but if I remember correctly, Patsy said the larger size panties were bought as a Christmas gift for Polly Paugh Davis's daughter but JonBenet threw a fit over the panties and wanted to keep them. So, Patsy said "No big deal" and just kept them for JonBenet, saying JonBenet would grow into that size (my paraphrasing).
JMO, I don't have a personal copy of DOI but if I remember correctly, Patsy said the larger size panties were bought as a Christmas gift for Polly Paugh Davis's daughter but JonBenet threw a fit over the panties and wanted to keep them. So, Patsy said "No big deal" and just kept them for JonBenet, saying JonBenet would grow into that size (my paraphrasing).
BOESP,
Has it ever occurred to you that Patsy's version of events is fabricated?
No size-12 underwear was ever found in JonBenet's bathroom underwear drawer.
Also JonBenet as a pageant participant would be aware that the size-12's would look ridiculous on her, why should she want them when her mother could have 10 packs of bloomingdales size-6 mailed by next day post, just for JonBenet?
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And of course, PR said a lot of things in that book that weren't true. Yes, she did buy the larger panties as a gift for her niece, but she also bought JBR a set of her own, so I don't think it would have been necessary for JBR to throw a fit over keeping the second set.
Now let's pick a few things apart. JAR was supposedly seen the day before. I believe he WAS seen, even though neighbor Joe Barnhill later retracted. Interesting...neighbor Melody Stanton also retracted her statment about hearing the scream. She was so upset with the situation, she moved away from the area. Coincidence? I think not.
it may have been on another board,but I did see a theory about JAR,and it was reasoned he could have been there..it would have been a tight squeeze time wise,but it was said to be possible.JAR could have been at home on 15th street Christmas Day and simply not gone to the White's. The lack of Christmas Day movies or photos from the hours before the White's party have always made me suspicious as to who was in those photos. But JAR supposedly arrived with his sister later on the 26th, when they were told about the death of JBR. I can't work this one out in my mind...maybe some of you can help.
my answers in bold.If JAR and Melinda were on a commercial flight, there would be evidence of it.
yes
If they were on a private plane, someone flew that plane. Has the pilot been supoenaed to testify as to whether JAR was on the plane?
I don't know.but it seems Archeuta (sp) was on his way to the airport when called by JR,and per his wife,it seems he was unaware of what was going on.so unless there was another pilot...
How did JAR and his sister know to abort the Charlevoix trip and show up in Boulder?
JR called them.
Were they already IN Boulder, maybe from the previous day?
doesn't seem that way,no.
Was Melanie's fiance with them when they arrived?
Yes.he later called Thomas about inconsistencies in JR's comments to JAR regarding the time JB's body was found (and prob. more,IMO).I don't think he believes the R's to be innocent.He's a Dr. btw...perhaps JR wanted to find JB bf he arrived.
Were they called while in-flight by their father telling them of the "kidnapping"?
Yes
Where are the phone records. Oh, wait...they got "lost". And Hunter wouldn't allow them to be gotten without R permission.
Without all these ducks in a row, its hard to make a case for the other kids to have commited the crime. But till this case is solved, I am not ruling out ANY R.
read Thomas's book for more on that..they got gone,alright.and with some help at that...
JB's position with her arms over her head does not imply she was left that way after being bludgeoned to death. The dead body probably was arranged in that manner a good while after her death, i. e. when the staging was completed. Rigor mortis starts hours after death, so the stager of the scene had ample time to put the body in this position.
I believe the stager of the scene arranged the arms on purpose to suggest a scenario resembling sexual bondage. And many IDIs have indeed swallowed this scenario hook, line and sinker.
Weren't the stairs decorated with greenery? I suppose JonBenet's body picked some up when being carried downstaris.
right,that doesn't make any sense.what makes sense is that Patsy came up w. that story so that it would appear the underwear wasn't wrapped and in the basement.
Ames,
I think LHP is on record as seeing the size-12's in JonBenet's bedroom dresser drawer, unopened?
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But if the size 12s had been in the bathroom drawer, then the police would have found them during their house search. But they did not find any size 12s, only size 4 to 6s.
In fact only much later, the Ramseys finally turned in a package of size 12s, claiming they had found them in boxes packed for their move to Atlanta.
It seems Patsy lied here when claiming the size 12 Bloomies were kept in the bathroom drawer.
jmo
The matter of the fake greenery in her hair has been discussed a lot. There was artificial greenery wrapped around several staircased in the home. But that doesn't mean she was carried down the stairs. The wineceller was used to store several artificial Christmas trees. Her head was not wrapped up in the white blanket when she was found, so she could have picked up the green strands from the floor of the wineceller, or for that matter, any other area of the house. There is a crime scene photo of the area right outside the closed wineceller door. Hung on the wall in plain sight right next to the wineceller door is a large spray of fake Christmas greenery. If the garotte was made just outside that door, as some have said they believe it was, and the garotte was made right ON her, that could account for the greens in her hair as well.
I know LE even had the ink from the Sharpie found in the pen cup tested to see if it matched the ink on the RN. (it did) And the had the pineapple in the bowl tested to see if it matched the pineapple in JBR's intestine. (it did). There were fake trees in nearly every room of the R home that year (for the Christmas tour).
But I don't recall seeing if anyone tested the greens in her hair to see if they matched the greens on the floor of the wineceller, the green decoration on the wall just outside that is in the photo, it could even have come from the tree in the living room (where her body was placed after it was brought up) or the garland on the stairs. Every manufacturer has a different dye and different type of material used for their fake greenery. They traced the duct tape! Why didn't they trace the fake green needles? It would have given them one more piece of the puzzle. They could have ruled out her being carried. That would mean she walked. If she walked, she wasn't bound.