WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - # 8

hollyblue said:

The last paragraph:
CARD Teams are primarily involved in non-family child abductions, ransom child abductions, and mysterious disappearances of children. They work with state and local law enforcement to protect and save the lives of innocent children.

Keeping all options open....or perceiving it that way, imo.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/cac/card

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, I think that was said so Julia doesnt think shes really the only suspect. It was an effort to soften her up. Or so her atty cant say they over focused on her instead of looking at everything. CYA

CharlestonGal said:

BBM. My guess would be that she suddenly decided she needs some heavy duty meds after all. I think meds were not important to her when it was her husband and children doing the suffering, but now that it's her, she's probably gobbling them as fast as the doc will hand them out.

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The contradiction of her wanting meds instead of behavioral therapy is very telling. IMO Especially since she was so into homeopathic care.

Rougelatete said:

Cognitive and behavioral therapies are the primary form of treatment for OCD -- even OCD as extreme as it sounds JB's was/is. There are medications that can help reduce the underlying anxiety that fuels OCD compulsions and obsessions but, to my knowledge, there's no easy 'fix' via medication for this disorder. I can tell you from experience that cognitive and behavioral techniques (and sometimes you only use one or use one more than the other -- it's two separate approaches that can be intertwined) work really well for OCD. Some medications can take up to a month or even longer to take effect.

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TY so much for your input, Rouge!

I would like your professional opinion regarding patients who have been diagnosed with severe OCD, bi-polar disorder, and depression.

It seems to me that the co-morbidity of Julia's diagnosed mental illnesses may have made it impossible for her to make rational decisions - especially rational decisions regarding herself & her children.

It's distressing to read the derogatory comments about JB, since (according to her husband) she has been diagnosed with multiple mental illnesses - OCD, bi-polar disorder, and depression. My heart breaks for this family.

Mental illness is a very real affliction - and those who suffer from it are not "psycho" or "crazy" or "evil" or any of the other pejorative terms that have been used recently to describe JB.

No one chooses to be afflicted with mental illness, anymore than one chooses to be afflicted with Alzheimer's disease or Dementia.

Regardless of whether JB was accurately or inaccurately dx'd by the number of specialists who gave her evaluations, it still remains a fact that she has not spoken with LE regarding her baby boy's disappearance 10 days ago.

Professional or not, it doesn't take rocket science to figure out the reasons why a parent of a missing child would NOT communicate with LE for 10 days.

If my child were missing for 10 minutes I'd be beside myself and offering LE whatever they wished of me. DNA, Finger prints, hair sample, access to everyone and everything I could possibly think of...

What has Julia done to help find her son?

So she offered LE access to her apartment and vehicle. LE would have gotten a warrant to search them ANYWAY- so it's not like she was doing them any great favor. And they/LE likely obtained warrants ANYWAY because anything found on a search without a warrant could be thrown out of a trial without one.

Someone should make this woman look at photo's from the body farm and make her fess up the location of her son! :furious:

nursebeeme said:

http://www.seekingarrangement.com/watermark.php?id=F963AD87B63E4B84B69520A223DEB827
^^ that one

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Oh. Dear...

sorrell skye said:

TY so much for your input, Rouge!

I would like your professional opinion regarding patients that have been diagnosed with severe OCD, bi-polar disorder, and depression.

It seems to me that the co-morbidity of Julia's diagnosed multiple mental illnesses may have made it impossible for her to make rational decisions - especially rational decisions regarding herself & her children.

It's distressing to read the derogatory comments about JB, since (according to her husband) she has been diagnosed with multiple mental illnesses - OCD, bi-polar disorder, and depression. My heart breaks for this family.

Mental illness is a very real affliction - and those who suffer from it are not "psycho" or "crazy" or "evil" or any of the other pejorative terms that have been used recently to describe JB.

No one chooses to be afflicted with mental illness, anymore than one chooses to be afflicted with Alzheimer's disease or Dementia.

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While nobody chooses to be afflicted with mental illness, this woman fought hard for the custody of these children, claiming to the contrary. And whatever her issues might be, frankly, I don't care. What I care about is where is her child?

I finally got to see the clip with SM being asked about not being allowed to use the "commode".

First of all, this guy shows no emotion. There is something about him that bugs the heck out of me and I can't really put my finger on it just yet. I think he tends to exaggerate and perhaps it has to do with the custody issue, IDK.

Honestly, he doesn't come across as being totally truthful to me.

I must say that I, personally believe that tho Julia does IMO indeed suffer from mental illness, I however believe completely seperate from that mental illness there are definite other issues that I believe Rouge has classified as possibly being Personality disorders. Where as I, the laymen classify them as cold, calculating, manipulative, and yes, quite possibly even downright evil at the very core of a human being's soul.. Which as I understand are basically one in the same just have different terminology. It is this seperate part of Julia and who she is at her most core of her being that I feel that is to equally if not more to blame for this tragic and traumatic life of these 3 victims Sky, MM, and Solomon.. Tho, IMO not by far are those three the only victims of Julia for there is in fact the far reaching ripple effect that only in many, many years will one be able to truly see the magnitude of which Julia's actions have truly affected.. And just to give a tiny example of what I mean take for instance MM and her lifelong healing process that it will take to work through the deep and severe wounds and traumas that her mommy has INTENTIONALLY inflicted(it is this that makes me certain that what is at Julia's core of her being could infact be evil. She has intentionally, knowingly inflicted these wounds with only the motive of self gain).. And not only will that affect MM, but due to Julia's having inflicted these severe traumas in MM's formative years that are what form who and what we are in those extremely important and vital years.. With it affecting MM lifelong so, too will it likely impact and quite possibly even affect her marriage and children.. This is the magnitude of which I speak of that with this ripple effect it will only be many years from now when we really can see the magnitude affected by Julia's intentional inflicting these deep and severe wounds that are lifelong lasting.

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I finally got to see the clip with SM being asked about not being allowed to use the "commode".

First of all, this guy shows no emotion. There is something about him that bugs the heck out of me and I can't really put my finger on it just yet. I think he tends to exaggerate and perhaps it has to do with the custody issue, IDK.

Honestly, he doesn't come across as being totally truthful to me.

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Respectfully, he is not the one that left his 2 year-old son on the side of the road in an unlocked vehicle for over an hour while he was ill.

jjenny said:

While nobody chooses to be afflicted with mental illness, this woman fought hard for the custody of these children, claiming to the contrary. And whatever her issues might be, frankly, I don't care. What I care about is where is her child?

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Despite her mental state, she has reportedly fought for custody of her children. IMO, she may not be able to recognize that she is incapable of caring for herself or her children. I am not a mental health expert, nor have I evaluated her mental health status.

My point is that her husband has reported that his wife suffers from OCD, bi-polar disorder, and depression. Based on this information, I believe that JB was/is incapable of making rational decisions regarding herself & her children. I believe that JB is mentally ill.

I also care about her missing child.

I also believe that a mentally ill person does not deserve to be called "crazy" or "psycho" or "evil".

I have been lurking on this thread and typically by the time I "catch up" someone has already said what I was going to say Being a local, this is a bizarre and curious story that has captivated me.

One thing I want to add, I always wondered what the "editted" (her sp. not mine) pics on Flickr were for. THe dates happen to be around the time the "sugar baby" profile was supposedly made and the profile includes these images from ("editted") from what I can tell. I'm inclined to believe the pics were edited to make her profile look more attractive....I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet.

Pensfan said:

I have to disagree.

Before the late 1960's, OCD was viewed as unresponsive to cognitive or behavioral therapies. Talk therapy was rarely successful in reducing the severity of obsessions or compulsions. Understanding the symbolic meaning of obsessions increased the patients’ understanding of their thoughts, but it was unable to decreasing patients' obsessive-compulsive behavior because this disorder is most likely a biological disorder (a malfunction or a structural problem in the brain).

The most broadly effective treatment for OCD is currently SSRIs. The patient should continue drug therapy indefinitely. Relapse of symptoms begins within a few months of discontinuance. Available data suggest, but do not prove, that providing behavior therapy while the patient is taking medication may be useful to delay relapse if the medication is discontinued.

The OCD patient on SSRIs usually begins to show a decrease in symptoms around the second month of medication treatment.
http://ocd.stanford.edu/treatment/pharma.html

Pensfanin


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verified psychiatric mental health nurse
PMHNP

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I think I disagree but only in my own personal experience and I am on the other side of the fence. I have OCD and exposure therapy and coping skills are more important for my condition. SSRI replaces the serotonin which is good but its like putting a bandaid on a severed arm. It wasnt until I got to the root of the problem and understood it that I was able to refocus reevaluate and laugh about it. I still do it but most of the time I can catch myself. I know people have it far worse than me. The condition evolves.

The one thing that stands out to me regarding mental illness is treatment is available. JB went through great lengths to avoid getting herself the treatment she needed. Not only did she go through great lengths to avoid treatment, she went through great lengths to hide and deny her illness, similiarly to how an addict tries to hide their illness.

At what cost? Her child is missing and went missing on no one elses time but moms. And now she is refusing to communicate with LE, even with her attorney present. What does that say? If she had nothing to hide she would be doing everything she could with her lawyers assistance. She.is.not.

ClassyT said:

I think I disagree but only in my own personal experience and I am on the other side of the fence. I have OCD and exposure therapy and coping skills are more important for my condition. SSRI replaces the serotonin which is good but its like putting a bandaid on a severed arm. It wasnt until I got to the root of the problem and understood it that I was able to refocus reevaluate and laugh about it. I still do it but most of the time I can catch myself. I know people have it far worse than me. The condition evolves.

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I agree the same for me and i have taken SSIs for years. Thanks!

Why does everyone keep thinking they married when she was 15? :banghead:

They married in 2003. She is 30, please, respectfully, do the math.

Julia was 22 when they married! :banghead:

According to The Associated Press, the couple had been together for 14 years. They married in 2003 and separated in 2010,

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-missing-child-refuses-polygraph-test/story?id=14909343

sorrell skye said:

TY so much for your input, Rouge!

I would like your professional opinion regarding patients who have been diagnosed with severe OCD, bi-polar disorder, and depression.

It seems to me that the co-morbidity of Julia's diagnosed mental illnesses may have made it impossible for her to make rational decisions - especially rational decisions regarding herself & her children.

It's distressing to read the derogatory comments about JB, since (according to her husband) she has been diagnosed with multiple mental illnesses - OCD, bi-polar disorder, and depression. My heart breaks for this family.

Mental illness is a very real affliction - and those who suffer from it are not "psycho" or "crazy" or "evil" or any of the other pejorative terms that have been used recently to describe JB.

No one chooses to be afflicted with mental illness, anymore than one chooses to be afflicted with Alzheimer's disease or Dementia.

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I have OCD/ADD two autoimmune diseases. All of them make me crazy. I have no qualms about using the word. I was raised by a bipolar who refused to take her medication. She self medicated. No one ever helped me. My brother is depressed/ADD, my sister is bipolar, one of my sons has aspergers and the other has ADD. Were a mixed bag of nuts.

I didnt choose to have any of these BUT I did choose to treat them. For me and my kids. I am especially hard on JB because shes like my mom and I dont really like my mom too much. If you know you have an illness and you choose not to manage it, super but you dont get your kids. No one who is a danger to themselves or others should be unmonitored or parenting. I dont care how that comes off.
I am on the child's side 100 percent of the time. The parents can go off and be as crazy as they want to be. Its not like shes lost touch with reality. She is aware enough to lie to cops. The really ill people, the ones who cant be held responsible dont lie. They dont know its wrong. They will give you a very sincere reason why they did it too.

pdxmama said:

Respectfully, he is not the one that left his 2 year-old son on the side of the road in an unlocked vehicle for over an hour while he was ill.

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he also, contributed (my word) to leaving the baby in the car while the rest of the family went shopping in Target for nearly an hour, until police were called.

pdxmama said:

Respectfully, he is not the one that left his 2 year-old son on the side of the road in an unlocked vehicle for over an hour while he was ill.

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I didn't say he did but I think he tends to exaggerate. He claims he had to pick up the kids because she would not feed them, etc. Well, we've seen pictures of the kids with food in their plates.

Like I said in earlier posts, they don't look like abused kids to me. They look happy, well fed, no visible bruises. Yes, she probably does suffer from OCD but that doesn't make someone a murderer.

There are always 3 sides to a story. His, hers and the truth.

I think Julia is totally responsible for Sky's disappearance but to go on TV to answer questions about her "illness" serves no purpose imo. The focus should be on finding Sky and not Julia.

Cubby said:

Why does everyone keep thinking they married when she was 15? :banghead:

They married in 2003. She is 30, please, respectfully, do the math.

Julia was 22 when they married! :banghead:

According to The Associated Press, the couple had been together for 14 years. They married in 2003 and separated in 2010,

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mother-missing-child-refuses-polygraph-test/story?id=14909343

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I think there was an article that said they married when she was 15 and he was 19. In the kitchen at his parent's house. I think. :waitasec:

~n/t~ said:

I didn't say he did but I think he tends to exaggerate. He claims he had to pick up the kids because she would not feed them, etc. Well, we've seen pictures of the kids with food in their plates.

Like I said in earlier posts, they don't look like abused kids to me. They look happy, well fed, no visible bruises. Yes, she probably does suffer from OCD but that doesn't make someone a murderer.

There are always 2 sides to a story. His, hers and the truth.

I think Julia is totally responsible for Sky's disappearance but to go on TV to answer questions about her "illness" serves no purpose imo. The focus should be on finding Sky and not Julia.

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Where have you been? The photos were taken for that very reason. To disprove him and it worked. She got what she wanted and now her kid is in the wind. He is in a way defending her actions by bringing in her illness.