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Thread closed just as I asked my last question - was there a search effort ever done in the "desert" for the gun?
 
Carrying this over from previous thread:

I was wondering how much (if any) of the mountain of post-crime coverup adds any weight towards proving premeditation. I'm guessing it doesn't.

I know innocent people aren't likely to cover up crimes, and I absolutely do not believe JA is innocent via SD, but I get the impression that her actions after the fact are getting mixed up and applied as additional evidence of premeditation.

I don't think that's accurate, but I don't know. Even after reading the statute on premeditation, which mentions nothing about actions after - so I guess therein lies the answer.

There is so much more strong evidence of coverup.

Bad analogy, probably, but a kid who comes home to find his mother's favorite vase shattered on the floor, might clean it up and try to hide it - to avoid his mother being sad, or mad or accusing him falsely.

I just wish there was at least one bit of solid, indisputable proof of premeditation. I'd feel better, even though the cumulative effect of the circumstantial evidence is more than enough. I was just curious given what I've heard and read here and there. :)

Her post-murder actions are what's considered "consciousness of guilt" and those things are not, in and of themselves, evidence of premeditation or of the crime itself, but they can be considered in conjunction with the other evidence to support guilt and premeditation.

Let me put it another way that might be more understandable -- suppose that there was no other evidence that Jodi committed the crime or no other evidence of premeditation. If the only thing that pointed to her was her peculiar behavior after the fact, like lying to police, etc., then those -murder behaviors would not be evidence that she committed the crime and would not support a murder charge. IMO this is part of the reason Drew Peterson has not been charged with Stacy's death -- he acts guilty and we all believe he's guilty, but there's no specific evidence that he committed the crime, only his guilty behavior after the fact.
 
Grrrr.... I give up. I can't get anyone to answer my questions. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. Night all.
 
Thread closed just as I asked my last question - was there a search effort ever done in the "desert" for the gun?

I don't think so. For one thing, I think this is the first time she has told anyone, other than her lawyers, that she disposed of the gun in the desert (although one might have logically assumed that without her saying it). Also, the amount of desert between Mesa and Utah would be impossible to search without more specific, and reliable, information.

Wouldn't that be something if Juan came out with the actual gun during his rebuttal case?!
 
Her post-murder actions are what's considered "consciousness of guilt" and those things are not, in and of themselves, evidence of premeditation or of the crime itself, but they can be considered in conjunction with the other evidence to support guilt and premeditation.

Let me put it another way that might be more understandable -- suppose that there was no other evidence that Jodi committed the crime or no other evidence of premeditation. If the only thing that pointed to her was her peculiar behavior after the fact, like lying to police, etc., then those -murder behaviors would not be evidence that she committed the crime and would not support a murder charge. IMO this is part of the reason Drew Peterson has not been charged with Stacy's death -- he acts guilty and we all believe he's guilty, but there's no specific evidence that he committed the crime, only his guilty behavior after the fact.

Thank you SO MUCH!
 
Do we know if Arias carried the vacation CD's with her all the time, or did she pack them specifically to take to Travis?
 
I was wondering how much (if any) of the mountain of post-crime coverup adds any weight towards proving premeditation. I'm guessing it doesn't.

I know innocent people aren't likely to cover up crimes, and I absolutely do not believe JA is innocent via SD, but I get the impression that her actions after the fact are getting mixed up and applied as additional evidence of premeditation.

I don't think that's accurate, but I don't know. Even after reading the statute on premeditation, which mentions nothing about actions after - so I guess therein lies the answer.

There is so much more strong evidence of coverup.

Bad analogy, probably, but a kid who comes home to find his mother's favorite vase shattered on the floor, might clean it up and try to hide it - to avoid his mother being sad, or mad or accusing him falsely.

I just wish there was at least one bit of solid, indisputable proof of premeditation. I'd feel better, even though the cumulative effect of the circumstantial evidence is more than enough. I was just curious given what I've heard and read here and there. :)

I think that Jodi's actions after the murder are significant because they speak to her state of mind. She apparently took the rope and put it in a dumpster. She put the camera into the washing machine with a bottle of chlorox. She made phone calls and visits to create an alibi. She wrote happy emails to Travis three days after she murdered him with the goal of obscuring the truth. That is how I see that it relates to pre-meditation.
 
I don't think so. For one thing, I think this is the first time she has told anyone, other than her lawyers, that she disposed of the gun in the desert (although one might have logically assumed that without her saying it). Also, the amount of desert between Mesa and Utah would be impossible to search without more specific, and reliable, information.

Wouldn't that be something if Juan came out with the actual gun during his rebuttal case?!

Well I think she said she disposed of it before the checkpoint - if she is "telling the truth" now, why doesn't she lead them to the weapon that wasn't stolen from her grandparent's home?
 
Well I think she said she disposed of it before the checkpoint - if she is "telling the truth" now, why doesn't she lead them to the weapon that wasn't stolen from her grandparent's home?

Because she's not telling the truth? And because she was in a fog and doesn't remember the exact location?
 
Do we know if Arias carried the vacation CD's with her all the time, or did she pack them specifically to take to Travis?

And what was that about her taking "professional" photos but she unprofessionally didn't have time forward the photos, or the disc broke? That sounds like she was abusive.
 
I love new threads, but hate when it happens when I posting...so

Im the same way! I have to do layouts of all the scenes.. And with this one, until i found this layout of the bedroom and matched it to crime scene photos, i had the room all catty wompus! Now i see where they were running.. Makes it all the more unbelievable! And the room is not that big!


I'm the same..I play things out in my head with room sizes and things. I saw the measurements of the shower and tub and I think the potty room is about the same as the shower..so twelve feet in length there.

Does anyone know the width of the bathroom between the tub and sink? at the most six feet? So twelve feet in the bathroom proper, and twelve feet in the hall (width is at least three feet) to the carpet.

So you have Travis body slamming Jodi near the shower and her able to roll to her right...get up and run..with Travis that close all he had to do is grab her and drag her down again after that one foot in and one foot out dance. She said he was out running behind her....she in socks which would give her more traction (thinking of Sheldon and his rubber ducks in his tub) and Travis wet feet running behind her.
 
Is this the prosecution's theory?

So she asked him to pose, maneuvering him into a vulnerable position (sitting in the tub), stabbed him (why not shoot him, angle is right ... he could still get out of the shower and be choking blood in the sink from the neck/cheek wound), he stumbled out of the shower to stand in front of the mirror (perhaps in disbelief that she shot him with what looked like a toy gun), coughed blood, asked her to get the neighbors, she stabbed him some more - this time in the back and on the back of the head, so he tried to go down the hallway to get away from her (no doubt heading for the front door), eventually on his hands and knees, until he got to the bedroom door at the opposite end of the hallway, where she slit his throat (nearly cutting off his head), and then she dragged him back into the shower and shot him in the face ... or maybe she just ran the showwer until she felt better ... maybe she ran the shower until the floor was soaked and cardboard boxes had 4" blood stains.

She then attempted to cover up the murder with hair dye, gas cans, upside down license plates,rental car, road trips, tampering with a murder scene, new and old boyfriend visits, optimistic text messages and happy emails? And at the same time she, his supposed irresistible girlfriend, did not have daily contact with him? Shouldn't she, the not yet official sex partner, have been the first person to report that he was out of contact, possibly missing ... welfare check?

Everything seems out of order with her story, and the robbery at her grandparents house, where the same type of gun was stolen on May 25 ... the coincidence defies common sense.
How can there be any question about her guilt in pre-meditated murder?

They did some sexual role playing. Did she tell him that she was going to play the role of the insane woman attacking the man in the shower ... Hitchcock shower scene re-enactment with a gun that looked like a toy gun.
 
Grrrr.... I give up. I can't get anyone to answer my questions. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. Night all.

Sorry, Hopeful One. I answered on the other thread right before they closed it.

I'll clarify..... Travis thought Jodi was gone before he got in the shower. He looks surprised in the earliest shots when he sees here taking the photos. At that point, she was an intruder. Not invited to be there. I'd be mad, too.

She was fully clothed in the murder photos.

If he was taking a quick shower knowing she was still there, Jodi would not have been so completely clothed. With Jodi's propensity for lying, she's been too clear on her explanation why he was in the shower while she was fully clothed taking photos. JODI'S LYING.
 
Going back to JA's claim that TA body slammed her on the tile floor, I say BULL.

I have been body slammed before but luckily it was on carpet. Still hurt like hell and I had bruises on some areas of my back, butt and shoulders. It knocked the breath out of me and there was no way that I could move for 5 or 10 minutes, plus being sore for a couple weeks afterwards. But Jodi managed to get up immediately and within less than 2 minutes had killed, or injured TA so badly that he was incapacitated from his wounds. No way he body slammed her, period!

The next time I got thrown down by force was when my ex picked me up and forcefully threw me down on a waterbed which would not have been so bad if I had not had a multi-level bone fusion and disc removal surgery on my lower back only 3 days before in which they went through my stomach to get to my spine! It still knocked the breath out of me and I believe it was the cause of one of the bone graphs moving completely out of place which caused the fusion to fail!

Don't worry, I am NOT with the person who did this to me anymore but I chose to have my abuser arrested and put in jail rather than to kill him. He did stalk me for two years after he got out of jail which was psychologically more damaging than even all his physical abuse had been, and took me over 10 years to recover from it.
 
Is it me or does anyone else think it's odd that JA arrived, TA was up, he talked about or wanted sex, she tells him she's tired and he says

Okie dokey we will just go to sleep????

Just does not seem to fit with all the other sex stuff we have heard about.

I wonder if she even arrived when she says she did. can't remember if there is any evidence she in fact did arrive around 4 am, or he was already in bed and it was she who was on his computer.
 
Dr Drew and Mark Garagos (sp?) on Anderson Cooper right now. And Anderson Cooper himself :)
 
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