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Amanda Knox Amanda Knox is on trial in Italy for the murder of Meredith Kercher. Knox was found guilty, released on appeal and now the Italian Supreme Court is retrying the case.


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Old 12-04-2009, 06:53 PM
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o/t G&C A will have to testify at the hearing this Friday! Wow
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She is completely fluent in Italian.
I've read that she wasn't completely fluent - I've read both versions actually
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Despite speaking fluent Italian? I have to admit to always being skeptical of coercion claims and especially in this case, since she's never seemed traumatized by the events of that night.

They say the appeals process often shortens the sentences, so...it doesn't sound like she'll be spending life in prison by any means. So many comments on NG exclaim that this never would have happened in America and she would have been better off here, but I'm not so sure. If an American jury found her guilty, she'd be looking at more time.
My understanding is that she didn't speak fluent Italian in the beginning. I'll have to check my sources on that, but I'm almost positive I read that her Italian was basic in the beginning. Now she's fluent, but I would be too after that long in an Italian prison.
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:56 PM
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Regarding her fluency in Italian, here's a reference I just found:

"After her arrest, Amanda was detained by the police and interrogated for 14 hours. Amanda, who wasn't fluent in Italian at the time, was provided with neither a professional interpreter nor a lawyer. She later told her parents that her interrogators deprived her of sleep, smacked her in the head a number of times, and asked her to visualize what might have happened to Meredith the night she died."

http://www.marieclaire.com/world-rep...student-murder
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I've read that she wasn't completely fluent - I've read both versions actually
She insisted on speaking to the jury in Italian. She herself has said numerous times she was fluent. In fact, I heard her speak on television and she is fluent.
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This poor kid never had a chance. I remember the news there was showing her shopping for launderea (bras and panties) lol....Did you see that, way in the beginning, before the trial?
I read about it, where they said she & R. were talking about using the lingerie later that night etc.

I'm not sure I ever saw the video

& then it came out that she needed to buy underwear b/c she couldn't access her house (sealed off) and had no clothes
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I've read that she wasn't completely fluent - I've read both versions actually
This is what I mean when I say there is a lot of contradictory evidence.

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My understanding is that she didn't speak fluent Italian in the beginning. I'll have to check my sources on that, but I'm almost positive I read that her Italian was basic in the beginning. Now she's fluent, but I would be too after that long in an Italian prison.
That would make sense.
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She insisted on speaking to the jury in Italian. She herself has said numerous times she was fluent. In fact, I heard her speak on television and she is fluent.
She is fluent now, but she wasn't at the time of her "confession" in the beginning. At least that is my understanding.
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Don't know if this is a picture taken tonight or not, but it's of Amanda...
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Old 12-04-2009, 07:01 PM
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She is completely fluent in Italian.
Yes. She testified speaking in Italian. The news media here said she shouldn't have. She could have said that she didn't undertand what LE was saying, but....
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oh god they showed Merideth's family leaving too

that was heartbreaking
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Don't know if this is a picture taken tonight or not, but it's of Amanda...
that makes me so sad
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I read about it, where they said she & R. were talking about using the lingerie later that night etc.

I'm not sure I ever saw the video

& then it came out that she needed to buy underwear b/c she couldn't access her house (sealed off) and had no clothes
Oh thats right. Her place was sealed off...Yes they showed her shopping, picking up the lingerie, looking at it... They made a big deal out of it.
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wonder if they're now waiting for R's family to leave ...

camera still trained on courthouse exit
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Since this crime happened I've felt she was involved in the murder. What a waste of a young life. All over a guy, in my opinion.
Sadly I have to agree with you. I have been following this case since day one and felt that she was guilty. I think she was trying to impress a boyfriend and felt that since she was an American that she would not be charged and definitely not convicted. I have lived and worked outside of United States and I can tell you that we are not really liked. Envied maybe, but not liked. We, Americans are seen as spoiled, arrogant and that we feel entitled, and that we feel that Americans as a rule are superior to all other countries. Her actions and lack of emotion in a country where emotions are usually played out and in your face, pi**ed people off. Let's just say that in the poll of public opinon in Italy, she was very much disliked. Unfortunate for her, but GMS, why didn't her parents mentor her during these two years into acting like a caring person. The verdict is as I predicted and surprised, I'm not.
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Oh thats right. Her place was sealed off...Yes they showed her shopping, picking up the lingerie, looking at it... They made a big deal out of it.
The problem of course was the total lack of any emotion over the loss of a young college girl. Total lack of emotion, period, unless you count passion and sexual reaction to her boyfriend. IMO, she acted even less emotional than Casey Anthony.
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wonder if they're now waiting for R's family to leave ...

camera still trained on courthouse exit
quoting myself to ask: does anyone know if that's what they're waiting for?
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What's your opinion on the evidence and the verdict?

There is so much contradictory evidence as well as allegations of Italian police mistakes.
JMO....
I'm perplexed by all of it.

I think about Amanda, 2 years ago and under interrogation for HOURS, over 3 days, by police in a foreign country where she had lived only, iirc, a few short months and could have in no way mastered the Italian language in that time. In fact, she has acknowledged that she has only learned to speak/understand Italian during the 2 years she has been in jail. She had no lawyer and no translator.

Also, the prosecutor put forth several theories for Amanda's motive, ending with that Amanda just hated Meredith. They had not lived together that long! It takes a LONG time to develop that level of hatred for a person. Sure you can be annoyed, and annoying, by and to a new roommate, but to reach the level of HATE to kill somebody when you could always leave the shared apartment and hang out at your boyfriends? I can see resentment, but not the evil that would have to drive the hate to commit such a crime.

IMO, I don't see how the evidence alone could have convicted her. Too much emphasis on her sex life and marijuana smoking could have been a deciding factor for some of the judges and jurors in their decision
It doesn't matter to me that she bought panties or whatnot with RS shortly after the murder and talked about upcoming sexual interludes. She was 20, twenty!! lordy be, if sex and pot could determine innocence or guilt, I would have been in a A LOT of trouble in Texas in the early nineties!

I'm saddened by the verdict. I don't think I could have voted for conviction on the evidence alone. I am mostly sad for her family, who have effectively lost their young daughter, inside a foreign justice system. Now they're moving to Italy for the appeal? Mom & Dad divorced and are both re-married, so 2 more families lives have been ruined. And of course, Meredith's family, will never recover from the loss of their beautiful daughter.
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I'm going to call into LKL tonight and if I get through im going to see if we can send her any mail....Flood them with mail for her from the states....

I wonder if she can be let out of jail ... from them showing that animated video. Doesn't seem fair.
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The problem of course was the total lack of any emotion over the loss of a young college girl. Total lack of emotion, period, unless you count passion and sexual reaction to her boyfriend. IMO, she acted even less emotional than Casey Anthony.
Also, why is she talking about not having the mask of a murderer (or whatever it was) put on her...it seems like a truly anguished and innocent person would be declaring their innocence,over and over, not talking about masks...However--maybe she was ill-advised to make such a statement. I just don't know.
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JMO....
I'm perplexed by all of it.

I think about Amanda, 2 years ago and under interrogation for HOURS, over 3 days, by police in a foreign country where she had lived only, iirc, a few short months and could have in no way mastered the Italian language in that time. In fact, she has acknowledged that she has only learned to speak/understand Italian during the 2 years she has been in jail. She had no lawyer and no translator.

Also, the prosecutor put forth several theories for Amanda's motive, ending with that Amanda just hated Meredith. They had not lived together that long! It takes a LONG time to develop that level of hatred for a person. Sure you can be annoyed, and annoying, by and to a new roommate, but to reach the level of HATE to kill somebody when you could always leave the shared apartment and hang out at your boyfriends? I can see resentment, but not the evil that would have to drive the hate to commit such a crime.

IMO, I don't see how the evidence alone could have convicted her. Too much emphasis on her sex life and marijuana smoking could have been a deciding factor for some of the judges and jurors in their decision
It doesn't matter to me that she bought panties or whatnot with RS shortly after the murder and talked about upcoming sexual interludes. She was 20, twenty!! lordy be, if sex and pot could determine innocence or guilt, I would have been in a A LOT of trouble in Texas in the early nineties!

I'm saddened by the verdict. I don't think I could have voted for conviction on the evidence alone. I am mostly sad for her family, who have effectively lost their young daughter, inside a foreign justice system. Now they're moving to Italy for the appeal? Mom & Dad divorced and are both re-married, so 2 more families lives have been ruined. And of course, Meredith's family, will never recover from the loss of their beautiful daughter.
bolded by me.

Sometimes there is an instant chemical reaction between two people that makes it impossible for them to get along. Hard to explain--it's only happened to me a few times in my long life--but it can happen.
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Also, why is she talking about not having the mask of a murderer (or whatever it was) put on her...it seems like a truly anguished and innocent person would be declaring their innocence,over and over, not talking about masks...However--maybe she was ill-advised to make such a statement. I just don't know.
I agree with you on that one. She did not plead her innocence. I truly believe that she thought that she was above someone who could actually be convicted of murder, thus she was not concerned about it. She crucified herself by her very own actions. She was her worst enemy.
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Is there any explanation yet on why she received one year more than her boyfriend?
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I'm going to call into LKL tonight and if I get through im going to see if we can send her any mail....Flood them with mail for her from the states....

I wonder if she can be let out of jail ... from them showing that animated video. Doesn't seem fair.
One of the talking heads made it sound like on appeal she could have her sentence shortened significantly. I doubt they would overturn it, but it could be shortened. At this point, I think that is the best she and her family can hope to happen. I wonder how long appeals take in Italy? Their whole system seems flawed to me. I think it was on Fox that someone made the comment that in the US you are innocent until proven guilty....in Italy, if you are charged, you are considered guilty and it is your responsibility to prove innocence.
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Is there any explanation yet on why she received one year more than her boyfriend?
Because they hate her and it was one last little jab to make a point? I'm not being flippant (well, maybe a little), but that was my first thought when she got the extra year. It was just a little extra snub to her.
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