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Old 08-12-2008, 07:03 PM
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Casey Anthony's Time-line Is Shrinking - UPDATE 8/10/08

I am thinking more in the area of June 16th to June 17th time-frame. I might extend it to June 18th, but I will leave it right at June 17th for now. Although I still question June 15th.

August 6, 2008

I finally watched OTR from Tuesday's show 8/5/08. I didn't want to because I just didn't want to hear more lies.

I still keep going back to June 15th with Cindy taking Caylee to the nursing home because Cindy was the last known person to see Caylee. During the OTR interview, it just seemed no details came out about the evening of the 15th of June. I am looking for "when Caylee and I (Cindy) came back to the house after visiting with great-grandpa, we had some dinner, I gave Caylee a bath and so on.

Like what happened when Cindy and Caylee came back to the house? Was George home, was Casey there, did Casey come home later? WHAT!!!

All I heard was Cindy saying I heard "them" in the bedroom and didn't see them the morning of June 16th, but George has it down to the minute 12:50 PM as he was watching the Food Channel his favorite show.

From let's say 6:00 PM on June 15th until 12:50 PM on June 16th, you mean to tell me a 2 1/2 year old was in a room for all those hours? No breakfast, no lunch, no play-time, no bath. This makes no sense to me at all.

Something is really wrong with this picture. Doting grandparents love to be with their grandchildren, fixing them breakfast, reading books, etc. They would even want the child to get up and start doing things.

Just got finish briefly watching OTR show 8/6/08 with Mark Furhman

6/15/2008 - Cindy and Caylee take a swim in the pool, come out, take the ladder away.
My question: Where was Casey and George when Cindy and Caylee went in the pool?

6/16/2008 - Casey and Caylee in the house. Cindy already at work.
My question: What time does Cindy start work?

6/16/08 - George sees Casey and Caylee at 12:50 PM with backpacks on their way out the door.
My question: Did George see Caylee have lunch, breakfast, use potty, bath, playing etc.? A child may get up at 7:00 AM to almost 1:00 PM that 6 hours of unaccountable time in that household. Is there a bathroom in Casey's room?

6/16/08 - George leaves for work at 2:30 PM

6/16/08 - starting at 3:00 PM and ending at 4:00 PM there are numerous phone calls from Casey to her father, mother and friends. Quick phone calls although cellphone records would show a minute because you are charged a minute even if the call is 2 seconds.
My question: How far is it from the Anthony household to George's employment? Why didn't George have his cellphone on? Could it be because of "pings" re" his whereabouts?

Thinking out loud: All these phone calls are within 2 hours after Casey left her parents house with Caylee. I find it very odd, that Cindy and George didn't answer Casey's calls within that hour. I know they both maybe at work, but most folks working leave their cell phones on "perhaps" on vibrator mode" so they know when they get a phone call. George is suppose to be en-route to his job and Casey starts calling Cindy/George etc. at 3:00 PM.

Added 8/7/08 - Could Casey have drowned Caylee in the pool?

6/16/08 - starting at 6:00 PM to 7:30 PM Casey starts calling Cindy, George and others and no connection. Just minutes phone calls which could be just a few second phone calls.

6/16/08 - No more phone calls were made after 7:30 PM.

6/17/08 - Anthony's "allegedly" notice that the ladder was back in the pool and the gate to the pool was open.

My question: Exactly what time did the Anthony's find the pool gate open? Who found the ladder in the pool, George of Cindy?

6/17/08 - It has now been verified that the person that went to look at apartment #210, has been located and verified they did not know anyone by the name of Casey or ever met Caylee The theory that Casey may have filled out the guest card when out the window.
My question: Does Casey know someone within the office of the Sawgrass Apartments.

6/17/08 - I believe Mark reported on numerous phone calls back to back on the 17th of June also.

My thoughts: It seems odd that on the 16th and 17th no phone calls were answered.
My question: Were any phone calls ever returned to Casey?

6/18/08 - Mark Furhman feels the shovel was borrowed from the neighbor as well as the same day the neighbor sees Casey's car backed into the driveway.
My thoughts: Neighbor needs to try an pin point a time Casey borrowed the shovel. Was it after 2:30 PM when George apparently goes to work?

Based on the above time-frame, I feel June 16th is the last day Caylee took a breath of air ~2:00 - 2:30 PM

I feel that Casey borrowed the shovel on June 17, 2008 after Casey back into the driveway and went across the street to get the shovel, Casey brought Caylee out of the trunk and Casey went through the garage to the backyard.

I feel Casey had Caylee in the trunk of the car and after Casey backed the garage to the garage, Casey took Caylee out the trunk and put Caylee on the ground near the pool and then Casey put the ladder in the pool.

When Casey realized the pool idea wasn't a good one, she went to another area, possibly near the playhouse and put Caylee down and was going to attempt to dig a hole under the playhouse knowing fully a concrete slab or pillars were going to be placed there on July 4th.

I also feel that the shed was broken into on June 17th. George tells Greta he believes the last time he was in the shed was Sunday which would be June 22nd, but I think he was last in the shed on June 15th, Father's Day, while Cindy and Caylee were at the nursing home.

Update My Thoughts: August 13, 2008

I want to hear a confirm date by LE regarding the neighbors "remembering" the exact date of the shovel and backing the car to the garage.

I'm just stuck on the house on the 17th. I don't think Casey left Caylee at the house overnight on the 17th, but I did think at one point she did perhaps in the covered sand box. But then the Anthony's have a dog and the dog would have checked out the sandbox especially if the dog picked up a scent, and may have put up a fuss, but just don't know.


6/24/08 - Casey shows up at her parents house and George hears the garage doors open and he meets Casey in the garage. Actually not sure this is FACT, but as I recall with OTR interview, George says Casey came into the house. "Casey said she came home to get more clothes and she was going back to work".

George asks "where is Caylee" and Casey said: "with the nanny".

Four hours before Casey shows up at her parents house around 2:00 PM, George called the police to report that 2 gas cans were stolen from his shed and the lock was broken to get into the shed. The police officer arrived at the Anthony's home around 10:00 AM on June 24th to take the report, look at the shed and dust for fingerprints.

Note: there were no fingerprints on the lock or shed based on the officers report. Now how in the world could that happen? Hummm, someone perhaps wiped off all the fingerprints!

During this time that Casey was with George, there was discussion about this "wedge" to support the car as George wanted to rotate Cindy's tires that weekend.

Note: The temperature in Florida on June 24th was 89 degrees and stayed that way right into the weekend and beyond. No one in their right mind would rotate tires in the heat especially when the sun beats on their house all day. I will accept the possibility that George may have done this in the garage, but not sure. You can go to Wal-Mart for a few bucks and rotate tires and shop at the same time.

Eventually after some go around, George decides to open the trunk of the car and spots the gas cans. No where did I hear George say: "Casey, I just reported the gas cans stolen 4 hours ago to the police!"

During the OTR interview when George is speaking about the gas cans, he says Casey said: (I need to get the exact quote) something about a break-in to the shed. At that point Cindy chimes in during the OTR interview and says "I called Casey and told her about the gas cans being stolen."

My thoughts: So on the same day, June 24th, when George finds the shed is broken into and calls the police, then calls Cindy, Cindy then calls Casey to tell her about the gas cans and then Casey shows up at the house four hours later with the gas cans in the trunk .... hummmmmmmmmm

But George looks surprised during the OTR interview when Cindy makes the statement: "I called Casey and told her."

Eventually George wins and he opens the trunk and there are the gas cans. George doesn't notify police that his daughter had the gas cans and let's just drop the robbery report because it was "all in the family".

Nope, he lets the robbery report stay active, until it shows up through OCSD and then the media hits on it. It had to be two weeks before George comes out and says" I know who did it and that's the extent of it".
My question: Why didn't George just say, my daughter Casey took the gas cans.?

Also on this busy June 24th day, this is when a phone calls exchange happens between Jesse and Casey. Casey want s to know if Jesse wants to hang out as Caylee is with the nanny at the beach for the weekend.
Note: Not sure why Casey said "at the beach for the weekend when June 24th is a Tuesday!"

Jesse hears Casey say: "get off the table" and believed he heard Caylee's voice. Jesse recanted because he wasn't sure if he actually heard Caylee's voice.

After earlier thinking the Anthony's have pets, and wondering if Jesse heard a sound from a pet, after watching OTR and the part where Greta and Cindy are in the kitchen or dining room, there sitting right out for everyone to see "a cat laying of the table". I am convinced that Jesse did hear something when Casey said "get off the table" and that was the sound of the cat in the background.

Something more happened on June 24th and I feel it was the start of the car being left in the Amscot parking lot on June 27th knowing fully if left in the Amscot parking lot it would be towed away. Of which, it was towed on June 30th and sat at the tow yard for two weeks until a reigstered letter arrived on July 15th. I feel the registered letter may have been attempted to be delivered on July 14th, but no one was home at the time of regular mail delivery.

Between June 24th and June 27th, Caylee was in the trunk of that car. Perhaps Casey, after her father left for work, removed Caylee from the property and placed her in the trunk, OR perhaps when George opened the trunk there was Caylee.

The transportation or the placing of Caylee in the trunk was done on June 24th at some point.

We all know how easy it was for Drew Peterson, retired police officer to dispose of Stacy, based on his training in LE. George is former police officer who I believe worked in the homicide department in Ohio.

I still hear Casey's words "She is close to home".

I so want LE to lift up the "concrete pillars" and take a better look. (changed wording to pillars not concrete slab)

Last updated entry at 9:50 pm - 8/10/08
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:46 PM
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I can't hardly believe that Caylee was in the heat of the trunk for very long. It doesn't take a body that long to start smelling ripe. I found one of my residents dead one Monday morning after the weekend. He had committed suicide (pills) around 3-4 pm on Saturday afternoon. His apartment wasn't hot but it wasn't cool either. By Monday morning, when I walked through the door of the building, the stench was unbearable. I went to go looking for the source and thought the residents had a wild weekend with trash or something (we had trash chutes-- it was an elderly/handicapped security entrance apartment complex). I had never smelled a dead body before and had no idea what I was smelling. Ugh. Now I will never forget! So, from 3-4 pm Saturday to Monday morning, 8 am (40 hours) that stench evolved in a non-hot apartment.

The next dead body I found, she hadn't been dead for long, maybe 1/2 - 3/4 day. And her apartment was about the same temperature as the other resident's apartment-- probably a bit warmer as she always complained about being cold. She hadn't started to smell one bit.

And then the other resident I found almost dead... stunk to the high heavens. I about vomited upon entering her apartment.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:56 PM
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work at retirement community probably 3-4 times a year we find a deceased resident some have been dead for a few hours some for almost a day (independent living and they all check in on a sensor board by 10 a.m. each day) there are times when we open the door and staff knows they are dead other times no smell at all our director of nursing told me today that some of that has to do with bodily functions that let loose and in other cases that doesn't happen just my 2 cents
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:07 PM
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I think this timeline that you put together is critical. Figure out the timeline, fill in the gaps and voila! the little one will be found.

I wish LE would scrutinize that pool.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:27 PM
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Bravo, Patty G! You should forward this on to LE, maybe there's something in there they haven't thought of...or maybe a new angle.

You. are. good.



Now, WSers, let's start trying to fill these gaps...oh what I wouldn't give for 15 minutes face to face with Casey....
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:32 PM
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I think you've got some really good points. By "break through the concrete" do you mean remove the pavers?

If they did...what do you think they'd find? Not a body, but maybe evidence of one? More hair or a scrap of clothes or something?

And if this is the case...if the body had been under the playhouse but was removed before the pavers were put down, wouldn't Cindy and George have smelled something? Or if she really was buried in the backyard for a few days, wouldn't they have noticed?

It really horrifies me the idea of Casey moving poor Caylee's body around in attempts to hide her.

Oh, and I wonder what time of day Casey talked to Jesse...before or after George allegedly spoke to her?
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:32 PM
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When Casey left with Caylee, and they both had their backpacks, I wonder if Casey was carrying Caylee or if Caylee was walking out.

Reason I ask is, something could have happened in that room, and Casey could have carried her out, pretending that she was asleep.

Hate to think this, but it's possible.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:34 PM
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Oh, I also agree with you about "get off the table" being in response to an animal, for a few reasons. First, just judging by their house and Caylee's age, I doubt she would be climbing on a table in the first place. And second, it is precisely the language someone uses when addressing an animal, whereas when addressing a person (specifically a kid) someone would be more likely to say, "Hey Caylee, get off the table" because they would have to get her attention as well.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:36 PM
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Nice timeline. I have asked myself many times. When exactly did Casey take possesion of Caylee after the nursing home visit? And you are absolutly correct, no child that age is going to stay cooped up in a bedroom until 12:50, thats ricdiculous to even think about. They could have gotten up and eaten before Lee got up and around but Caylee is not going to go back to sleep. She is going to want to play and see GP.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:39 PM
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PattyG,

Wow, great job! Interesting about the cat, and I think that's probably what happened. I hate to think she moved Caylee's body around, but it is very possible.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:40 PM
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Excellent Patty G! This sounds very plausible to me!!
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:47 PM
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Now, this will sound very morbid...but I was thinking about the theory that Casey moved Caylee around at least once...I think it's highly likely that she put Caylee into a container or bag of some sort. Caylee is a tiny child and would easily fit into a large duffel bag or cooler, as some have mentioned previously. Along those lines, she could have placed the "bag" or whatever inside the play house until she thought of a better plan...to poke holes in my own theory, wouldn't the dogs have made a beeline to it when they went out to do their business? Thoughts?
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When Casey left with Caylee, and they both had their backpacks, I wonder if Casey was carrying Caylee or if Caylee was walking out.

Reason I ask is, something could have happened in that room, and Casey could have carried her out, pretending that she was asleep.

Hate to think this, but it's possible.
That backpack story always seemed kind of odd to me....

Supposedly they were moving out..... but with backpacks????

People who move pack suitcases... they don't tote their possessions in small backpacks.

People who move remember to take a child's FAVORITE toy.


To me, it sounds like George & Cindy thought Casey was just going out for a regular day.....

Casey waited until George left the house so she could go back.

Something happened at the house..... Casey tried desperately to reach various family members but couldn't & THEN she realized she had to do SOMETHING.

She might have called again later to check to see when they were returning home & how much time she had left cleaning up the mess she made.

She was gone before anyone returned home. So was Caylee but in a very different way.
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:58 PM
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I still keep going back to June 15th with Cindy taking Caylee to the nursing home because Cindy was the last known person to see Caylee. During the OTR interview, it just seemed no details came out about the evening of the 15th of June. Like what happened when Cindy and Caylee came back to the house? Was George home, was Casey there, did Casey come home later? WHAT!!! 8/10/08
Yes.... what did Gma do with Caylee that evening?

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From let's say 6:00 PM on June 15th until 12:50 PM on June 16th, you mean to tell me a 2 1/2 year old was in a room for all those hours? No breakfast, no lunch, no play-time, no bath. This makes no sense to me at all.

Something is really wrong with this picture. Doting grandparents love to be with their grandchildren, fixing them breakfast, reading books, etc. They would even want the child to get up and start doing things.8/10/08
Absolutely bizarre, if you ask me.

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Thinking out loud: All these phone calls are within 2 hours after Casey left her parents house with Caylee. I find it very odd, that Cindy and George didn't answer Casey's calls within that hour. I know they both maybe at work, but most folks working leave their cell phones on "perhaps" on vibrator mode" so they know when they get a phone call. George is suppose to be en-route to his job and Casey starts calling Cindy/George etc. at 3:00 PM. 8/10/08
What if Casey wasn't home at all during these hours and George and Cindy were supposed to watch Caylee until George had to go to work? What if Casey came home "from work" and found George gone and Caylee too? Is that maybe why she called both parents and why neither of them answered her call?

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6/16/08 - starting at 6:00 PM to 7:30 PM Casey starts calling Cindy, George and others and no connection. Just minutes phone calls which could be just a few second phone calls.

6/16/08 - No more phone calls were made after 7:30 PM.

6/17/08 - I believe Mark reported on numerous phone calls back to back on the 17th of June also.

My thoughts: It seems odd that on the 16th and 17th no phone calls were answered.
My question: Were any phone calls ever returned to Casey?
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Did Casey come home the evening of the 16th and was she then informed where Caylee is or what happened to her? Is Casey maybe the "aider and abetter" in this and helping her parents to cover up whatever happend? I think of that phone call from jail where Casey asks her mother "Mom! You don't know what MY involvement is in all of this"? The mother says: "Casey" (what if this really means.....HEY, shut up, remember what we agreed upon). And then Casey says "Mom! No!" (maybe this means, "hell but I'm in jail now, this went too far").

I know, I know..... this is where it all falls apart, come on shoot me
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Now, this will sound very morbid...but I was thinking about the theory that Casey moved Caylee around at least once...I think it's highly likely that she put Caylee into a container or bag of some sort. Caylee is a tiny child and would easily fit into a large duffel bag or cooler, as some have mentioned previously. Along those lines, she could have placed the "bag" or whatever inside the play house until she thought of a better plan...to poke holes in my own theory, wouldn't the dogs have made a beeline to it when they went out to do their business? Thoughts?
It would be much harder to carry her inside a bag or cooler.

I think she just picked her up, placed her in another spot & eventauuly picked her up & placed her in the trunk.
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That backpack story always seemed kind of odd to me....

Supposedly they were moving out..... but with backpacks????

People who move pack suitcases... they don't tote their possessions in small backpacks.

People who move remember to take a child's FAVORITE toy.


To me, it sounds like George & Cindy thought Casey was just going out for a regular day.....

Casey waited until George left the house so she could go back.

Something happened at the house..... Casey tried desperately to reach various family members but couldn't & THEN she realized she had to do SOMETHING.

She might have called again later to check to see when they were returning home & how much time she had left cleaning up the mess she made.

She was gone before anyone returned home. So was Caylee but in a very different way.
Yeah...when did she get the duffel bags that Cindy picked up at Tony's?

I've consistently said that Caylee died on the 16th. I still believe it's true.

Like you said, the flurry of calls mean something.
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Old 08-12-2008, 10:49 PM
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Yeah...when did she get the duffel bags that Cindy picked up at Tony's?

I've consistently said that Caylee died on the 16th. I still believe it's true.

Like you said, the flurry of calls mean something.
She could have gotten the duffle bags at any time after the 16th - we know she was at the house several times - using shovels, stealing gas, being confronted by her dad about the gas cans in her trunk, etc.

I honestly am not convinced that this was what I would call a "flurry" of phone calls. She made several calls yes - but I have often called my husband both on his cell and at work, then tried his cell again, and then work again! If she was trying to reach her mom and couldn't, she might try her dad to see why she wasn't answering. Until we see the rest of her phone records and can put these calls in some sort of context, it is hard to know if it is unusual or a "flurry". Perhaps she called like this alot - I sure know alot of people that seem to live on their cell phones - calling this person and then that person. So what I would like to know is if this matches her usual pattern. That is not to say that I don't think something could have happened, but I would like to see more on the rest of the phone records!
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She could have gotten the duffle bags at any time after the 16th - we know she was at the house several times - using shovels, stealing gas, being confronted by her dad about the gas cans in her trunk, etc.

I honestly am not convinced that this was what I would call a "flurry" of phone calls. She made several calls yes - but I have often called my husband both on his cell and at work, then tried his cell again, and then work again! If she was trying to reach her mom and couldn't, she might try her dad to see why she wasn't answering. Until we see the rest of her phone records and can put these calls in some sort of context, it is hard to know if it is unusual or a "flurry". Perhaps she called like this alot - I sure know alot of people that seem to live on their cell phones - calling this person and then that person. So what I would like to know is if this matches her usual pattern. That is not to say that I don't think something could have happened, but I would like to see more on the rest of the phone records!
The only time we KNOW she visited the house was on the 18th--"shovel day," because that's from an independent witness. As for anything coming from George, I doubt the veracity of it right now.

And, about the phone calls...I posted that before the details on the "flurry" were released. I agree that this is not what I expected, and insignificant in any interpretation I might have. But I don't have the other facts that the investigators have, such as from where the calls were made.
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The only time we KNOW she visited the house was on the 18th--"shovel day," because that's from an independent witness. As for anything coming from George, I doubt the veracity of it right now.
I hear you on that. But if she didn't come back on the 24th, how did he get the gas cans back? I guess they could have been in the trunk when they got the car from the wrecker. If he did see her on the 24th and got the cans then, certainly he called LE to report he had retrieved them. I would assume LE would have those records.
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I hear you on that. But if she didn't come back on the 24th, how did he get the gas cans back? I guess they could have been in the trunk when they got the car from the wrecker. If he did see her on the 24th and got the cans then, certainly he called LE to report he had retrieved them. I would assume LE would have those records.
Yeah...it's interesting that forensics came and picked up the gas cans recently. Wonder if they have the same questions.

I don't believe that he saw Casey on the 24th, because all other reports state that they had not seen Casey since the 16th. And, you know, if I had been him, I certainly would have asked her at that moment, "Where is Caylee?"

My holding her feet over the fire would have begun at that moment. Why they waited "31 days" to be concerned about the welfare of this child who had lived all her 3 years in their home is the huge question to me.
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June 17th

There were no phone records for the 17th and I didn't notice any online presence on the 17th when looking through the myspace and facebook postings. I'm wondering why so quiet on this day.
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I don't believe that he saw Casey on the 24th, because all other reports state that they had not seen Casey since the 16th. And, you know, if I had been him, I certainly would have asked her at that moment, "Where is Caylee?"

My holding her feet over the fire would have begun at that moment. Why they waited "31 days" to be concerned about the welfare of this child who had lived all her 3 years in their home is the huge question to me.

I think it's possible that she was trying to sneak the gas cans back into the shed. After that date, she avoided them until Cindy found Amy's number in the car (indicating that she probably didn't have that number before) and asked got Amy to take her to Casey. IIRC, until that date Casey kept giving them the runaround on the phone.

IMO, Cindy had a hunch that something was off when her services as a live-in babysitter were no longer required.
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Yeah...it's interesting that forensics came and picked up the gas cans recently. Wonder if they have the same questions.

I don't believe that he saw Casey on the 24th, because all other reports state that they had not seen Casey since the 16th. And, you know, if I had been him, I certainly would have asked her at that moment, "Where is Caylee?"

My holding her feet over the fire would have begun at that moment. Why they waited "31 days" to be concerned about the welfare of this child who had lived all her 3 years in their home is the huge question to me.
I think they said from the very beginning that george saw her once after the 16th.

Just to play devil's advocate, maybe they weren't concerned about caylee's welfare because they felt casey was a good mother and didn't imagine that casey wouldn't tell them if something was wrong with Caylee. I just still don't think George and Cindy ever imagined that anything bad happened to Caylee until the day of that 911 call. I've said before you can hear the light go on in Cindy's voice..she realizes at that moment that Caylee is gone, gone.
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There were no phone records for the 17th and I didn't notice any online presence on the 17th when looking through the myspace and facebook postings. I'm wondering why so quiet on this day.
If that is the case,I think that is the most telling thing of all. Now there were no phone records at all? or they don;t have them? or they are not releasing them?

Remember Lee said there are some interesting things on the cell records. So far they are not so interesting imo.
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There is online record for the 17th! To Amy!

6-17 Casey posts to Amy at 3:15pm: cheer up me lady! i love you and can't wait to finally get you moved in
CASEY NEEDED CHEERING UP, WHY? AMY MOVED IN WHERE???
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