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Old 10-21-2008, 10:55 AM
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Hello All. This is in response to throwing away the donated stuffed animals. The Anthony family wasn't under as much scrutiny back then as they are now and I wonder what else they might have thrown away that LE and us sleuthers may have missed before they hit everyone's "hinky" meters.
have been wondering about this, too!...and just had a "flicker" of a thought that might there possibly have been a stuffed animal (or maybe something else) that they had found that might have been in the car and still had some of the bad odor and they put it in the midst of the s. animals to throw away and used the the excuse of the "cigarette smoke" as a "camouflage"?????

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CA never raised KC to accept responsibility. She bailed her out of every consequence, sparing her from discipline of any sort. Despite KC's admissions she would be a rotten mother, CA insists she keep Caylee. This is all fine--when it is convenient for CA. But there are times when the selfishness and irresponsibility of the daughter she's raised begin to naturally wear on CA. When they fight (about the stealing from grandfather) CA threatens to kick out KC but tells her to leave Caylee. This infuriates KC as Caylee's been (as others have said) her meal ticket, and a pawn between these women vying for power and control. Things reach a boiling point--but KC has no intention of changing. If she refuses CA custody of Caylee she figures her mom will not really put her out, and we see she is right back at the house. But then within 24 hours she has done the very thing her mother has constantly beraded her about and allowed harm to come to Caylee--proving her mother right that she IS, just as CA repeatedly told her, an "unfit" mother (and which is what she tells both LE, and LA). She must NEVER admit this though. LE be damned alright, who CARES what LE thinks or HOW many years she rots in prison, or whether she gets the needle or the chair because above all, her mother must never know the truth or EVER have the satisfaction of being RIGHT! Twisted, but true IMO
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When did that happen? That is VERY intersting.....
It was when she was on HC the last time. It was on the webcam, we saw her come out with Lee, get into his car and they sat in the driveway for quite a while IIRC together. I'm assuming it was because they knew the house was bugged and didn't want to talk in there. I think that's when most people following the webcam figured that she told Lee the truth. He started being MIA a lot more after that incident.

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have been wondering about this, too!...and just had a "flicker" of a thought that might there possibly have been a stuffed animal (or maybe something else) that they had found that might have been in the car and still had some of the bad odor and they put it in the midst of the s. animals to throw away and used the the excuse of the "cigarette smoke" as a "camaflouge"?????

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From the moment I heard about the toss out I thought the ame thing you just said!
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:00 AM
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oh oh oh.... I have another one!

What about when KC made a point to say that when Caylee called "from a private number" KC tried to call her back but the number was disconnected. Aside from the obvious problems with this senario, I don't know of any phone company working THAT FAST disconnecting a number. sheeesh. We all know the call didn't happen despite CA's phone bills to prove it did but still, you have to wonder how stupid that sounded to the police before they obtained those phone records.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:02 AM
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How can cigarette smoke smell stronger than decomp?
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:02 AM
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Lanie: IMO, she didn't have the money to go. As soon as Amy left, she is stealing her checks, and doing lots of shopping with them, but we haven't heard she was spending anyone else's money during that time. I think she was scrambling for money leading up to getting access to Amy's checks, at which point it was too late to go. Also, she was pretty tight with TonE by this time, so probably didn't care so much anymore.

Thanks Lanie
I guess it is possible that money prevented her. I'm still thinking of all the $ she got from GP's eg and why this would not have paid for the trip to PR. Let's face it if she racked up thousands on her mom's credit card she could have paid for the trip with that. Guess I'm just not buying it, and thinking she would've found a way to get to PR w her friends IF this was supposed to be the reason for killing Caylee and she put her mind to it. JMHO
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:08 AM
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I sad this in the very begining. My mother may not know my sitter's telephone number, but she knows her name and she knows where her house is.

I could never go a month without my mom seeing her grandchildren or talking to them on the phone, she would freak out.

If Cindy was worried about KC taking care of Caylee on her own, she sure as heck did not do anything about it. I again ask the question - HOW LONG would have the lying gone on had they not found the car? How long would CA go without seeing her grandchild? How long would KC go making exxcuses?

I think CA and KC fought and Cindy told her to raise her own child. All of this love for Caylee and wanting Caylee for herself came after. I again say - I have never seen Cindy cry for her grandchild - she only shows anger, jealousy and bitterness. Caylee was a pawn used by the two women to hurt each other and it finally got to a dangerous and deadly point.

If I fought with my mom (I had my son at 15) and left the house with my son, my mother would have tracked me down and taken him back and left me to my partying. HE would have been her MAIN concern, NOT forcing me to be a better parent.
Your post rang so true to me. My granddaughter was born during my son's senior year of high school and they sort of split living between our home and the other grandparents' home. If my granddaughter was not with them, I ALWAYS asked where she was, who had her, where do they live, etc. If I knew they had plans, my first question was "who is keeping the baby?" As the other grandmother works, I was the primary "baby sitter" when they were at school/work and you'd better believe that, if she wasn't with them or me, I knew exactly where she was. There was never a formal "nanny, but yes, I have picked her up from sister's home, cousin's home, etc. I also had phone numbers to reach these people. I could never imagine that CA wouldn't have wanted this information also.
After my divorce, when my children were still young, I briefly moved back home with my parents. My own mother also asked these questions. She also picked my children up from the babysitter's if I had to work late or took them if I had to be at work early. There was always a list of important numbers available and the babysitter was on that list.
Sorry so long, but this has always been a big ? moment to me. Another is when someone, I believe it was JG or LA, stated that CA referred to Caylee once as "KC's mistake". My granddaughter was certainly a surprise, but never once, not for one single moment, would I have ever thought of this beautiful angel as anyone's "mistake". This family is more than dysfunctional.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:14 AM
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Besides... that still shoots this theory down because if she couldn't afford to travel to PR anyway, why the need to kill Caylee? Menara and Momto5, my first child was before marriage and my granddaughter as well, and I cringe at the mere thought of EVER referring to a child as a "mistake."
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The 31 days (first and foremost) and then when listening to her interview with LE and how much she lied about everything!
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:21 AM
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How can cigarette smoke smell stronger than decomp?
yeah, I guess you are right......tho' it was a bit later and we don't know what they did to remove odors from anything......that light bulb will go off for the moment.....

one of my biggest "bulbs" is the constant changing of the "theories" by Kc and the A's about WHAT HAPPENED TO CAYLEE and WHERE IS SHE??
the story has changed from day to day it seems to fit whatever is going on that day......Starting with the "nanny"..and with that such words as "she's close", "I don't know where she is" , "she's fine /safe", "she's in danger" , "we know where they are and we are watching them", etc. etc. etc..........
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:22 AM
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<<She had money on her (from Amy's account) why would she run the car out of gas again (20th & 27th)?>>

I never thought about that. This is a good question.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:23 AM
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I think while KC is pathologically lying away to CA during this period, that she may have been hoping against hope that at best KC (who is 22, not 15) MIGHT for the first time in her life be actually stepping up to her responsibilities and behaving for once like a mother, or is at worst being manipulative and the "spiteful b*tch" she probably could be when trying to struggle for power from her controlling mother. Remember too they had a horrible argument reportedly so CA may initially have been thinking any of these could somewhat explain KC's staying away and be the reason CA did not call 911 or her hinky meter start really going off until weeks of excuses. I'm just saying there was a lot more to the dynamics between these two here. JMHO
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:24 AM
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<<I'm still thinking of all the $ she got from GP's eg>>

How much did she get? I never did find out.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:26 AM
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One of my "huh" moments (there are too many to go into)was when LE was interviewing GA and one of the LE said words to the effect to GA "I have a feeling there is a lot you know alot about George." but they CA and GA have never been charged with at hindering an investigation at the very least. JMO!
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:32 AM
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Another random thought. . . LP mentioned recently this case to be using cutting edge scientific forensics (i'm paraphrasing). I think the technology exists to extract human dna from blow fly maggots. I have seen a lot of old dried pizza in my life, and I have never seen maggots on pizza - but leave out old raw meat in the summer heat - and boy howdy! Maybe they plan on proving it's Caylee's dna thru the maggots on the outside of the bag from the trunk. Was the pizza in the bag also in a pizza box? Was it a target bag?
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:42 AM
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:42 AM
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Thanks Lanie
I guess it is possible that money prevented her. I'm still thinking of all the $ she got from GP's eg and why this would not have paid for the trip to PR. Let's face it if she racked up thousands on her mom's credit card she could have paid for the trip with that. Guess I'm just not buying it, and thinking she would've found a way to get to PR w her friends IF this was supposed to be the reason for killing Caylee and she put her mind to it. JMHO
Sorry, I missed this being about Casey killing Caylee so she could go to PR with her friends. I don't think that's why she killed her, so can't really answer that part of it.
I do think, however, Casey was cut off by her parents at some point after June 15th. I don't think she was hoarding money from their credit cards, I think for her it was spend, spend, spend, so if she was cut off, she was left high and dry. So for that part of the argument, I don't think she had any money or access to money to go to PR.
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More lightbulbs (hey, someone turn out the light here, I can't get any sleep!):

The call about the car having been stolen, after having the car recovered.

Lee's list of things he got from Tony's apartment doesn't include Casey's phone, yet Casey's phone was used to send out the mass txt msg about Caylee missing.

Casey NEVER being held to task for stealing her mother's cards. EVER.

Cindy cleaning Caylee's room weekly, washing sheets, but being unable to watch videos of Caylee (granted, this could be another of Cindy's stories to demonstrate the pathos of her life, but still...hinky)

That seemingly no one smelled anything either ON Casey or IN her car that would indicate the smell of decomp (that stink lingers and no one's said anything?)

That Cindy's "rules" ended at the front door, so much so that she never inquired or got information for this "nanny."

George's statement that he figured Casey didn't really work, but continued to pretend she did, even going so far as to say that the last time he saw Caylee, it was when Casey was leaving for work on the 16th.

Sean and Annie living at Sawgrass, Casey claiming to have the nanny living there, and then suddenly someone with the name ZFG showing up to rent an apartment there within hours of Caylee's disappearance. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

Casey's words "You don't know my INVOLVEMENT in this, mom??" as though Cindy should know exactly the involvement, and not in that she had nothing to do with it.

Cindy and Casey arguing about whose fault it is that Casey was first arrested...neither of them mentioning Caylee's name at all, referring to her only as "she."

Casey's assurance that she has no idea what happened to Caylee, yet an equal assurance that Tony had nothing to do with her disappearance.

'nobody in my own family is on my side. They just want Caylee back. That's all they're worried about, is getting Caylee back."

The dance of the SIM card.

"the truth don't hurt." ( Lee)
"oh I know, but at the same time, things that i have told them have been misconstrued." (Casey) does that means she'll just lie to the LE now because they didn't follow her trail of bread crumbs in a forest of bread eaters?

Casey insisting she was at Universal for work, even after admitting to police that she did not work at Universal (7/26 phone call with Lee).

Casey admitting that she had everything "centralized at Tony's" (7/26) and Lee insisting that Casey's bags were too neat to have been packed by her. (LA transcript)

(did I mention Cindy yet?)

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<<She had money on her (from Amy's account) why would she run the car out of gas again (20th & 27th)?>>

I never thought about that. This is a good question.
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<<I'm still thinking of all the $ she got from GP's eg>>

How much did she get? I never did find out.
She didn't have access to Amy's account yet at that point. She didn't get a hold of the checkbook until Amy left for PR on July 8th. Itwas a week prior to Amy leaving that the money went missing while Casey was staying over at RM's during the time TonE was in New York.

I hope this clears that up for you!
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I agree KC was "cut off..." (after having been busted by CA for secretly bilking thousands from aging gp's retirement fund, I GUESS SO!) And maybe there was the intended source for the trip--and then when caught and confronted, ultimately those plans fell through. Btw anyone know exact dates AH was gone to PR?
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Casey's assurance that she has no idea what happened to Caylee, yet an equal assurance that Tony had nothing to do with her disappearance.

THIS one speaks volumes to me.
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More lightbulbs (hey, someone turn out the light here, I can't get any sleep!):

The call about the car having been stolen, after having the car recovered.

Lee's list of things he got from Tony's apartment doesn't include Casey's phone, yet Casey's phone was used to send out the mass txt msg about Caylee missing.

The phone was picked up earlier by LE, Lee went back to TL's to get the rest of Casey's things around midnight, although he was gone for over two hours to get said stuff.

Casey NEVER being held to task for stealing her mother's cards. EVER.

LE did ask CA for the statements in the video interview, CA didn't want to hand them over saying"there is nothing in there".

Cindy cleaning Caylee's room weekly, washing sheets, but being unable to watch videos of Caylee (granted, this could be another of Cindy's stories to demonstrate the pathos of her life, but still...hinky)

That seemingly no one smelled anything either ON Casey or IN her car that would indicate the smell of decomp (that stink lingers and no one's said anything?)

I have always wondered about that. She spent a lot of time in her car, how is it she never smelled if the car smelled so badly?

That Cindy's "rules" ended at the front door, so much so that she never inquired or got information for this "nanny."

George's statement that he figured Casey didn't really work, but continued to pretend she did, even going so far as to say that the last time he saw Caylee, it was when Casey was leaving for work on the 16th.

Sean and Annie living at Sawgrass, Casey claiming to have the nanny living there, and then suddenly someone with the name ZFG showing up to rent an apartment there within hours of Caylee's disappearance. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

It was Dante and Annie that live/d at Sawgrass. Annie moved out when she and Dante split, I can't remember when the split was but it was way prior to all of this going on.

Casey's words "You don't know my INVOLVEMENT in this, mom??" as though Cindy should know exactly the involvement, and not in that she had nothing to do with it.

Cindy and Casey arguing about whose fault it is that Casey was first arrested...neither of them mentioning Caylee's name at all, referring to her only as "she."

Casey's assurance that she has no idea what happened to Caylee, yet an equal assurance that Tony had nothing to do with her disappearance.

'nobody in my own family is on my side. They just want Caylee back. That's all they're worried about, is getting Caylee back."


The venom in which she said Caylee's name in that statement was so chilling to me

The dance of the SIM card.

"the truth don't hurt." ( Lee)
"oh I know, but at the same time, things that i have told them have been misconstrued." (Casey) does that means she'll just lie to the LE now because they didn't follow her trail of bread crumbs in a forest of bread eaters?

Casey insisting she was at Universal for work, even after admitting to police that she did not work at Universal (7/26 phone call with Lee).


I still don't get why they didn't call her on that in that first interview

Casey admitting that she had everything "centralized at Tony's" (7/26) and Lee insisting that Casey's bags were too neat to have been packed by her. (LA transcript)

(did I mention Cindy yet?)

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Quote: She didn't have access to Amy's account yet at that point. She didn't get a hold of the checkbook until Amy left for PR on July 8th. Itwas a week prior to Amy leaving that the money went missing while Casey was staying over at RM's during the time TonE was in New York.

I hope this clears that up for you


(That was my post re GP's $) Thanks for PR departure date--it is clear KC could not steal from AH until AH left her the car/checkbook but I'm not clear what "the money" is (bolded above) you're referring to... the GP's? If so, that was likely why her PR plans fell through as I suggested above. The source dried up.

Quote: "Casey's words "You don't know my INVOLVEMENT in this, mom??" as though Cindy should know exactly the involvement, and not in that she had nothing to do with it.

This to me clearly indicates KC expects her mother CA to go along with her lies like she always has--and that KC is angrily blaming CA for instead actually being honest... for a minute.
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I agree KC was "cut off..." (after having been busted by CA for secretly bilking thousands from aging gp's retirement fund, I GUESS SO!) And maybe there was the intended source for the trip--and then when caught and confronted, ultimately those plans fell through. Btw anyone know exact dates AH was gone to PR?
July 8th through the 15th. HTH's!
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