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Old 11-11-2008, 10:40 PM
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We are "Sleuths...." What are we missing here? It is obvious that this precious baby has been murdered by her mother. We have put together every piece of evidence. Yet something is frustrating us...what is it? I am positive we can put our collective fingers on it!
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:42 PM
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Only thing missing is Casey's cooperation and input on where to find the child. IMO
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:44 PM
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Only thing missing is Casey's cooperation and input on where to find the child. IMO
Nevertheless...we should STILL be able to come up with the solution...come everybody....lets put our collective heads together and do it!
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:53 PM
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We are "Sleuths...." What are we missing here? It is obvious that this precious baby has been murdered by her mother. We have put together every piece of evidence. Yet something is frustrating us...what is it? I am positive we can put our collective fingers on it!
I feel the same way...we are all obviously missing something. There is an answer here, something key, that we have all over looked. I just don't know what the he!! it is! I'm amazed at the time and effort so many of us have put into this case. We've all but neglected our own lives, our own families. We've been sleep deprived and survived for days on caffeine and possibly nicotine (for some). People have waded through pings, interviews, statements, evidence, the woods, the gator infested waters of Orlando and still, we don't have the answer.
Tonight I went back to the very first interviews given by CA looking for what we may have missed. I'm going to keep going through the first week of interviews she and George gave. Maybe something will click.
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:12 PM
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What I'm thinking is to try and figure out the story behind the idea that Casey can not talk to anyone about the kidnapping because her daughter, Caylee will be harmed.
I don't believe this, but just in case it's true, that means Casey knows who has taken her daughter and believes her daughter is safe and unharmed. The only way she would be positive about Caylee's condition is if she was in contact, some how, with the kidnappers. But, I can't believe that while she's locked up she can be in touch with anyone outside or her attorney.
Or, is it possible Casey's attorney is in touch with the kidnappers and relaying all the information to Casey.
This situation is so hard to understand. No matter what way you turn it, it seems impossible she is protecting her missing daughter by keeping silent about the details around the kidnapping.
As things stand - this all adds up to another lie about Caylee's disappearance.
Casey has a right to remain silent. But, really she hasn't been silent when she passes along information (whether true or false) that a nanny took her child or she endanges her daughter if she tells the entire story.
I'm not being gulliable. I think what she has told LE is a lie. But does anyone have any thoughs on this tatic?
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:19 PM
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Respectfully snipped . . . Casey has a right to remain silent. But, really she hasn't been silent when she passes along information (whether true or false) that a nanny took her child or she endanges her daughter if she tells the entire story.
I'm not being gulliable. I think what she has told LE is a lie. But does anyone have any thoughs on this tatic?
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:23 PM
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Caylee will not be harmed, Casey will. It is about Casey. That is the code. It is all projection from Casey about Casey. If she would tell all, it would be worse than knowing. anyway who would believe her. She isn't real. And there is no Nanny.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:31 PM
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i keep checking websleuths but i'm not finding it!

i bet i'm not alone.

when i wake up in the morning, or when i haven't checked the site in a decent amount of time, i check websleuths. i keep having this hope that caylee's body would have been found in that time that i was away, and i'm going to see a post; "caylee's body found in forest."

after reading that equusearch was going on one of the most massive searches in history, and after noting that casey's lawyers came out with their statement essentially admitting guilt, i figured, as did casey's lawyers, that caylee was going to be found. but nothing.

to even consider that we may not ever know exactly what happened is really irking me. i felt for sure that if caylee was found, and that the prosecution was going to have a rock-solid case, that we would hear what happened from the horse's mouth herself. but now... now i don't think we ever will.

if there's no body then the defense team is going to drop all of that talk they had when trying to avoid the death penalty. this case is going to drive me nuts for a long time.
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I might be grasping at straws...but I believe the key to what we are missing lies in the very complicated mother/daughter bond that exists between CA and KC. I said this on some other post, but I think until CA gives KC permission to tell the truth, its not gonna happen. CA can't do this, because, IMO, she felt responsible for Caylee, as a mother would (instead of grandmother) and she in fact blames herself for the tragedy.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:10 PM
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I might be grasping at straws...but I believe the key to what we are missing lies in the very complicated mother/daughter bond that exists between CA and KC. I said this on some other post, but I think until CA gives KC permission to tell the truth, its not gonna happen. CA can't do this, because, IMO, she felt responsible for Caylee, as a mother would (instead of grandmother) and she in fact blames herself for the tragedy.
Bingo!

and now she's protecting Casey as she feels she should have protected Caylee. Not the child's fault...and not the child of the child's fault.....her fault.
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Whatever happened at the fight on Father's day was a bomb............KC decided to do her 'plan'.......she researched sinkholes, choroform, missing kids, etc and took her rage out on CAYLEE.......then someone mentioned she went to a church???? Then bought crosses at JCP? did I get all this correct? At JCP........when was that date? and did she buy a suitcase? big bag? container? anything to put a 2 year old in?
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no nanny, no kidnappers, CAYLEE id dead..............evidence
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:14 PM
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Bingo!

and now she's protecting Casey as she feels she should have protected Caylee. Not the child's fault...and not the child of the child's fault.....her fault.
I BINGO your Bingo!
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:21 PM
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then someone mentioned she went to a church???? Then bought crosses at JCP? did I get all this correct? At JCP........when was that date? and did she buy a suitcase? big bag? container? anything to put a 2 year old in?
NONE of this is confirmed by any reputable news source. Just so you know. It is all under rumor status.

As far as what we are missing in this case, I am starting to lean toward the dumpster/landfill theory.

I don't think anybody can or will every understand the A's. There are things that we will just never know and we all have to accept that.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:22 PM
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I am a late comer to this forum, didn't start reading till August, didn't join till September - the amount of work you all have put into this case is amazing.

I don't know what more you can do at this point. You have sifted through documents, pings, text messages, photos, etc. I think you have been as thorough as you can with the evidence and info that you have access to. I don't know what could be missing. I don't think you are missing anything - I don't think Casey will say a word until she is cornered (found guilty) and then she will come up with another story that she hopes will give her a lighter sentence, but might lead to the recovery of Caylee. I don't think the people on this web site missed a thing! You all have done the best you can with the resources you have been given. You should all be proud of the work you did - and as I said in another thread, sometimes as much as we hope for it, there isn't an answer.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:41 PM
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I am a late comer to this forum, didn't start reading till August, didn't join till September - the amount of work you all have put into this case is amazing.

I don't know what more you can do at this point. You have sifted through documents, pings, text messages, photos, etc. I think you have been as thorough as you can with the evidence and info that you have access to. I don't know what could be missing. I don't think you are missing anything - I don't think Casey will say a word until she is cornered (found guilty) and then she will come up with another story that she hopes will give her a lighter sentence, but might lead to the recovery of Caylee. I don't think the people on this web site missed a thing! You all have done the best you can with the resources you have been given. You should all be proud of the work you did - and as I said in another thread, sometimes as much as we hope for it, there isn't an answer.

I absolutely agree with you. What I mean by "missing something" is not the work that has been put in by everyone with all the evidence out there, but something is missing in the case...the mere fact that there are still people who still believe that Caylee is alive...how could this be? Is it their faith? Is there evidence that points this way?

Does the answer lie only within KC, a psychopathic liar? I just shake my head. Why does CA think she has so much power? Does LE have to keep bending to her rants? Follow up on crazy sightings? I am trying hard to articulate this in writing, but I am having a difficult time.
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One thing about the pings not leading to a body (unless someone is missing something) is that the whole thing could possibly be even more premeditated that anyone realizes, even the big fight on Father's Day. That gave Casey a reason to leave and gave her family something to be stewing over rather than seeing what she was really up to.
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I absolutely agree with you. What I mean by "missing something" is not the work that has been put in by everyone with all the evidence out there, but something is missing in the case...the mere fact that there are still people who still believe that Caylee is alive...how could this be? Is it their faith? Is there evidence that points this way?

Does the answer lie only within KC, a psychopathic liar? I just shake my head. Why does CA think she has so much power? Does LE have to keep bending to her rants? Follow up on crazy sightings? I am trying hard to articulate this in writing, but I am having a difficult time.
As for the "caylee is alive' people - I am a firm believer in Forensic Evidence, but there are people who really do not believe in what they can not see or hear themselves. I shake my head at them, but you know, if they can not make themselves believe she is dead, nothing any of us can say will change their minds.

I think CA is wracked with guilt, I think she blames herself for what happened and is lashing out at anyone. Please don't think LE is bending to her rants - they are ignoring them and going about their business. they will check tips out just so they can not be called out about it at the trial - it is truly a matter of crossing the t's and dotting the i's.

In all my long years of being interested in true crime, and being married to someone who had been in LE for over 30 years, I have never in my life seen anything like this case. Poor little Jon Benet Ramsey doesn't even come close.

the answers lie with Casey, a stone cold sociopathic killer - in my opinion, of course. She leaves a path of destruction behind her everywhere she goes and doesn't give a damn. What is missing is her conscience - she doesn't have one, and that sad fact may make it impossible to ever bring Caylee 'home'.
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:17 PM
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I've been wracking my brain, I think we need to go back to the beginning - listen to her interviews with LE, read the initial documents - and then notate each change in the story after that

It has to be in the words of Casey - all this extra stuff is getting in the way

Casey's interviews, statements, phone texts - then compare those to the friends statements and texts - and we just might be able to fill in what we are missing
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:21 PM
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My mind for the last hours has been running the same way. There is a really significant unknown factor, not some factor withheld by LE or the prosecution, but unknown. Of course, Casey has this knowledge but I sense very strongly that someone else does too. This regards the disposal/burial but activities carried out in late June and the first days of July too.

I am aware of how stupid I sound but it is a discomfort I have with the facts and I cannot cure it.
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I might be grasping at straws...but I believe the key to what we are missing lies in the very complicated mother/daughter bond that exists between CA and KC. I said this on some other post, but I think until CA gives KC permission to tell the truth, its not gonna happen. CA can't do this, because, IMO, she felt responsible for Caylee, as a mother would (instead of grandmother) and she in fact blames herself for the tragedy.
On the other hand.... there is SO much anger towards Cindy at this time.... Casey might not be done punishing her yet.

It's as if Casey has a knife in her mother's chest & whenever she gets a little bored, all she has to do is juggle it a bit & know she's still in total control.

Payback is really the only thing Casey has left. And no matter HOW loudly & publicly Cindy defends her.... Casey KNOWS it was her mother who called 911 & landed her in jail.

I wouldn't count on Casey ever worrying about easing ANYBODY'S pain.... all people really care about is Caylee & THAT pisses her off!
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As for the "caylee is alive' people - I am a firm believer in Forensic Evidence, but there are people who really do not believe in what they can not see or hear themselves. I shake my head at them, but you know, if they can not make themselves believe she is dead, nothing any of us can say will change their minds.

I think CA is wracked with guilt, I think she blames herself for what happened and is lashing out at anyone. Please don't think LE is bending to her rants - they are ignoring them and going about their business. they will check tips out just so they can not be called out about it at the trial - it is truly a matter of crossing the t's and dotting the i's.

In all my long years of being interested in true crime, and being married to someone who had been in LE for over 30 years, I have never in my life seen anything like this case. Poor little Jon Benet Ramsey doesn't even come close.

the answers lie with Casey, a stone cold sociopathic killer - in my opinion, of course. She leaves a path of destruction behind her everywhere she goes and doesn't give a damn. What is missing is her conscience - she doesn't have one, and that sad fact may make it impossible to ever bring Caylee 'home'.
ITA!

I think LE is also very careful not to be perceived by the public as 'persecuting' a VICTIM'S family.

At this point, their only concern is getting this case to trial as quickly as they can & making sure none of the anger surrounding this circus results in violence that sees somebody seriously hurt. This circus has the potential of getting seriously out of hand very quickly with all the emotions running high on both sides.
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MISSING / CONNECTION

LEE'S HOUSE

SAME CELL TOWER
HE TRAVELS A LOT
1 MILE FROM GA AND CA HOME

JUNE 15 KC DID NOT SPEND THE NIGHT AT GA HOUSE IT WAS LEE'S AND THEN SHE WENT BACK IN THE EARLY MORNING TO GA HOME.

JUNE 16 12:50 CELL PHONE RECORDS SHOW KC LEFT AS GA SAID SHE DID HOWEVER, THE PINS ARE INTERPRETED AS IF SHE NEVER LEFT---AKA SHE WAS AT LEE'S HOUSE.....SEE THE CELL PHONE RECORDS LOOK AT THE PINS FOR BEFORE AND AFTER 12:50 YOU WILL SEE WHAT i AM SHARING.........

THE TICKET IS

KC MURDERED CAYLEE IN LEE'S HOUSE WITH__________ON JUNE 16
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Wow Stark - I guess I should look at those ping maps.

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