2009.03.14 Geraldo - Dr. Baden, Slip or Not on Chloroform In Caylee's hair test?

Tracey276 · #1 03-15-2009, 08:35 AM

I really hope someone else watched Geraldo last night and saw this too. It's driving me crazy. I think we may have a "true" bombshell. Or else I am crazy and everyone else has heard about this and I missed it. But I know if it has come out before or is not new, here is the place to post and find out.

Did anyone watch Geraldo last night, where he did the special on Anna Nicole Smith? He had on Dr. Baden and Dr. Perper to discuss the autopsy and the toxicology examination of Anna Nicole. Geraldo had asked Dr. Perper if he had done hair screening of Anna Nicole to get her drug history, as it stays in the hair and you can get a lot of information from the hair. Dr. Perper said no, because it's totally irrelevant.
When Geraldo heard him say it was irrelevant, he was stunned and told Perper to hold on. He then asked Dr. Baden, Is it totally irrelevant, if a drug overdose is in play, is it totally irrelevant to test her hair, in the way they tested, uh, poor Caylee Anthony's, the baby's hair? And Dr. Baden says, Uh, yea where they found chloroform in the baby's hair.
He then went on and answered the questions about Anna. I had taped this and rewound at least five times to get the exact words he said to get it right.

Ok, here's my question, did we see anywhere yet in discovery that they found chloroform in Caylee's hair? I don't think that has been released anywhere I've read. So, Me's thinking, Old, Dr. B, may have just opened foot and inserted directly yo mouth. What do you think? I even rewound it like 5 times, just to make sure I got it in context. It certainly sounds to me like he knew, as fact, there was chloroform in Caylee's hair. If that is true, that means, Caylee had ingested Chloroform at some time. I don't think just being in the trunk with it would show up in her hair follicles.

Can anyone tell me what can all me told from the hair testing, IF it was in fact in her hair test? Will it show if it was more than one time or how much? Or will it just show as in her system?

I thought this was big enough to make a thread and also quite a "bombshell" IMO, if this is true and hasn't been out yet.

Feel free to tell me I'm an idiot as this came out a long time ago and I didn't hear it.

Video added: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

sariebell · #2 03-15-2009, 08:45 AM

Well, was Dr. Michael Baden privvy to any test results? Granted, pillow talk with his wife (gross... I just urped a little) could come into play.

They were just talking hypothetically, also, so his mind might have continued on that line of thought as well.

Admittedly, could be a bombshell if there's any veracity to it. Good catch!

ablins · #3 03-15-2009, 08:47 AM

OMG that is a true bombshell in my book if that is true--I think you're on to something!! I will go back and look but I don't remember this being in any discovery documents I've read. No toxicology results were included and I guess that would be toxicology if anything would. Oh my--do you think Baez will be mad at his bestie when he finds out what he has inleashed to the media lol! I'm not familiar with the credibility of Geraldo, but if that slipped in general debate on another subject then it sounds like a slip up to me. I am so glad you heard this and I will go review docs now!!!

marla · #4 03-15-2009, 10:20 AM

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OMG that is a true bombshell in my book if that is true--I think you're on to something!! I will go back and look but I don't remember this being in any discovery documents I've read. No toxicology results were included and I guess that would be toxicology if anything would. Oh my--do you think Baez will be mad at his bestie when he finds out what he has inleashed to the media lol! I'm not familiar with the credibility of Geraldo, but if that slipped in general debate on another subject then it sounds like a slip up to me. I am so glad you heard this and I will go review docs now!!!

Oh god, he'll probably call another "presser" ..

LittleBitty35 · #5 03-15-2009, 03:59 PM

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Oh god, he'll probably call another "presser" ..

Ughh...and then go before a judge and whine about it...LOL. "Your honor, the fact that everything leads to my client being guilty is just unfair...so unfair...I want 12 illogical people on the jury but I can't pick any of the Anthony's..." Darn.
Assuming that chloroform was found in Caylee's hair:

Chloroform in the baby's hair = to a logical person: Her disgusting mother had been drugging the poor child.

Chloroform in the baby's hair = to an illogical person: RM did it. ZFG did it. ZFG's sister Sam did it. AH did it. Anyone but KC...ummmkay...??

Where's Andre · #6 03-15-2009, 08:53 AM

Good catch, and thread-worthy in my opinion. As I recall, I know of no toxicology results released thus far.

These results are something many posters, myself included, are dying to see. I hope this truly is a "slip" and not a mistake. I'd think so, since LKB's gig is heavy on the Dr. Perper crowd-- she's married to one (Micheal Baden).

Maybe this possible discovery hasn't been doc-dumped, so defense can do their own testing.

natsound · #7 03-15-2009, 08:55 AM

I'm 99.9% sure there has been NO discovery released where chloroform was indicated in Caylee's hair. If it were, it would be a true bombshell, and would link KC to the crime. You're definitely on to something, unless Dr. Baden's comment was hypothetical.

I've been hoping that traces of chloroform would be found in the hair, but I also hear that it evaporates quickly. I don't know if hair strands would absorb and preserve it.

On that note, we know no fingerprints from CA, GA or LA were found on the duct tape. But am I correct in understanding that KC's fingerprints MAY be on the tape, and they're holding back that info?

manatee · #8 03-15-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by natsound

I'm 99.9% sure there has been NO discovery released where chloroform was indicated in Caylee's hair. If it were, it would be a true bombshell, and would link KC to the crime. You're definitely on to something, unless Dr. Baden's comment was hypothetical.

I've been hoping that traces of chloroform would be found in the hair, but I also hear that it evaporates quickly. I don't know if hair strands would absorb and preserve it.

On that note, we know no fingerprints from CA, GA or LA were found on the duct tape. But am I correct in understanding that KC's fingerprints MAY be on the tape, and they're holding back that info?

I was just going to post exactly this! I would suggest that someone led SA know about this show. I'm sure they would be VERY interested in these remarks!

Tracey276 · #9 03-15-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by manatee

I was just going to post exactly this! I would suggest that someone led SA know about this show. I'm sure they would be VERY interested in these remarks!

I would guess that SA knows about the chloroform in the hair as they more than likely have these results. It would be interesting to know how they would react to hearing the Defense "expert" say this on tv though. LOL

Theonly1 · #10 03-16-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by manatee

I was just going to post exactly this! I would suggest that someone led SA know about this show. I'm sure they would be VERY interested in these remarks!

Assuming the SA has not held back any "chloroform in hair reports" from the Sunshine dumps (which is possible), if Baden knows about chloroform in Caylee's hair then could it be because the defense tested the hair and found it there?

What a major duhhhhhhhhhhhhh on Baden's part if the defnese found chloroform in the hair and then Baden aired that fact on national television.

Jolynna · #11 03-16-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Theonly1

Assuming the SA has not held back any "chloroform in hair reports" from the Sunshine dumps (which is possible), if Baden knows about chloroform in Caylee's hair then could it be because the defense tested the hair and found it there?

What a major duhhhhhhhhhhhhh on Baden's part if the defnese found chloroform in the hair and then Baden aired that fact on national television.

If there is chloroform in the hair the defense doesn't think that the state didn't find it.

The defense doesn't care if ANY scientific results come out. They are itching to get their hands on the state's evidence A.S.A.P. to see how much the state knows and whether or not every t was crossed and i dotted.

The more time defense experts have to analyze every word, discredit and plant doubt seeds the better for the defense.

The defense has been filing motion after motion and throwing hissy fits in front of the judge at hearings about state misconduct to force discovery release. The defense knows when they get discovery so does the public.

It is better for them if the worst comes out now and they have months to plan their counter-attack and sneakily do advance discrediting. .

Legal experts all over the world give a good portion of the credit to the success of O.J.'s criminal defense team to so much of the state's case being coming out in the preliminary hearing and through media leaks.

That is why the sheriff has come down so hard on the "loose lips".
JMO

Theonly1 · #12 03-16-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolynna

The defense doesn't care if ANY scientific results come out. They are itching to get their hands on the state's evidence A.S.A.P.

Then their experts have more time to discredit it and plant doubt seeds.

That is why they have been filing motion after motion and throwing hissy fits in front of the judge at hearings about state misconduct. The defense knows when they get discovery so does the public.

It is better for them if the worst comes out now and they have months to plan their counter-attack and sneakily do advance discrediting. They don't the jurors are gasping in shock and glaring in horror at Casey during the trial.

JMO

And who better to "leak" it than a non-discoverable expert, right? If he's not on the defense's expert witness list (and of course he's not on the State's list either) how would he be called at trial? Answer: He would not be. The defense has every right to conduct their own testing and you only hear about the results when it is favorable to their client. Even if LKB leaked the info, well, she's Casey's counsel now and all her opinions would be "work product". Pfft.

JustJax · #13 03-15-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by natsound

I'm 99.9% sure there has been NO discovery released where chloroform was indicated in Caylee's hair. If it were, it would be a true bombshell, and would link KC to the crime. You're definitely on to something, unless Dr. Baden's comment was hypothetical.

I've been hoping that traces of chloroform would be found in the hair, but I also hear that it evaporates quickly. I don't know if hair strands would absorb and preserve it.

On that note, we know no fingerprints from CA, GA or LA were found on the duct tape. But am I correct in understanding that KC's fingerprints MAY be on the tape, and they're holding back that info?

If chlorofrom does leave it's traces in hair rather than evaproate, and Casey was using the chloroform to sedate Caylee so she could party on a somewhat regular basis, it doesn't nesessarly have to he "the hair" found in the trunk. It could be any hair they found in her bedding or on hairbrushes, etc. I think it will be a while before the tox results are released, maybe not till trial....I am sure they are testing to see if any drugs that Caylee should not have had in her short life were present.

amethyst221 · #14 03-15-2009, 03:17 PM

To come full circle to where other posters started, if it's true about chloroform in Caylee's hair, then no doubt the defense will look for someone to blame besides Casey, like someone with chloroform related, tasteless garbage on his computer. Oh, well. I wish I knew more about the properties and metabolism of chloroform.

RR0004 · #15 03-15-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by amethyst221

To come full circle to where other posters started, if it's true about chloroform in Caylee's hair, then no doubt the defense will look for someone to blame besides Casey, like someone with chloroform related, tasteless garbage on his computer. Oh, well. I wish I knew more about the properties and metabolism of chloroform.

Somewhere on here is a wealth of info about it.

PattyCake · #16 03-15-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by natsound

I'm 99.9% sure there has been NO discovery released where chloroform was indicated in Caylee's hair. If it were, it would be a true bombshell, and would link KC to the crime. You're definitely on to something, unless Dr. Baden's comment was hypothetical.

I've been hoping that traces of chloroform would be found in the hair, but I also hear that it evaporates quickly. I don't know if hair strands would absorb and preserve it.

On that note, we know no fingerprints from CA, GA or LA were found on the duct tape. But am I correct in understanding that KC's fingerprints MAY be on the tape, and they're holding back that info?

My 'assumption' is yes, they have something from the duct tape as it was specifically written out certain people were cleared. IF KC's prints were not on there, I cannot see a reason not to add her in that context. Lets cross our fingers and hope this prosecution has an unbelievable amount of evidence pointing only toward one person without a doubt.

She's really REALLY stupid not to take a plea deal. But alas, that's the narcissism within her. Nothing will make her plea, not even dp!

natsound · #17 03-15-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PattyCake

My 'assumption' is yes, they have something from the duct tape as it was specifically written out certain people were cleared. IF KC's prints were not on there, I cannot see a reason not to add her in that context. Lets cross our fingers and hope this prosecution has an unbelievable amount of evidence pointing only toward one person without a doubt.

She's really REALLY stupid not to take a plea deal. But alas, that's the narcissism within her. Nothing will make her plea, not even dp!

Thanks for clearing that up, PC. I bet there's a VERY GOOD reason KC was not excluded on that list. SA may be resting very, very, very easy right now.

Debbie3223 · #18 03-15-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by natsound

I'm 99.9% sure there has been NO discovery released where chloroform was indicated in Caylee's hair. If it were, it would be a true bombshell, and would link KC to the crime. You're definitely on to something, unless Dr. Baden's comment was hypothetical.

I've been hoping that traces of chloroform would be found in the hair, but I also hear that it evaporates quickly. I don't know if hair strands would absorb and preserve it.

On that note, we know no fingerprints from CA, GA or LA were found on the duct tape. But am I correct in understanding that KC's fingerprints MAY be on the tape, and they're holding back that info?

NO fingerprints! Noone said "NO DNA"..

hopefully her spit will be on it from ripping it with her nasty mouth

Carrington · #19 03-15-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Debbie3223

NO fingerprints! Noone said "NO DNA"..

hopefully her spit will be on it from ripping it with her nasty mouth

I thought that's what the knife, that Cindy washed, was used for.
IMO

fortytwo · #20 03-15-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Debbie3223

NO fingerprints! Noone said "NO DNA"..

hopefully her spit will be on it from ripping it with her nasty mouth

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I thought that's what the knife, that Cindy washed, was used for.
IMO

Why did you think that?

natsound · #21 03-15-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Debbie3223

NO fingerprints! Noone said "NO DNA"..

hopefully her spit will be on it from ripping it with her nasty mouth

Where does it say "no Casey fingerprints"?

okiedokietoo · #22 03-15-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by natsound

I'm 99.9% sure there has been NO discovery released where chloroform was indicated in Caylee's hair. If it were, it would be a true bombshell, and would link KC to the crime. You're definitely on to something, unless Dr. Baden's comment was hypothetical.

I've been hoping that traces of chloroform would be found in the hair, but I also hear that it evaporates quickly. I don't know if hair strands would absorb and preserve it.

On that note, we know no fingerprints from CA, GA or LA were found on the duct tape. But am I correct in understanding that KC's fingerprints MAY be on the tape, and they're holding back that info?

(bolded by me)(one source)
http://kissmeimabbw.newsvine.com/_ne...y-anthony-case
Crime-scene photos, documents released in Casey Anthony case
News Type: Event — Seeded on Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:31 AM EST
(quoted from article)
Investigators did not find fingerprints belonging to George Anthony, Cindy Anthony or Lee Anthony on the duct tape found on Caylee Marie's skull, the FBI forensic reports show.

tripleC · #23 03-15-2009, 08:59 AM

and maybe this is why JB wants RM's computer records.....the whole "win her over with chloroform" thing.

enjay · #24 03-15-2009, 09:01 AM

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and maybe this is why JB wants RM's computer records.....the whole "win her over with chloroform" thing.

You beat me to it! GMTA

I bet it's true and the defense knows it.

starpatch · #25 03-15-2009, 11:20 PM

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You beat me to it! GMTA

I bet it's true and the defense knows it.

They..baez and company are looking for someone to blame for Caylee's death, maybe they found the guy they will prove really did it....RM

He may be their target and they will spin a web for him.

jb maybe be doing a happy dance, but, he might be celebrating too soon...he wants so badly to get his girl off, and, they can enjoy life with the spoils from the poor baby's death.