Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #41

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I still don't believe Allison was watching the Footy Show and GBC went to bed that night. I think it was most likely the other way around.

If Allison had a conference the next day and wanted to leave by 7am then she would have most likely wanted a good nights sleep IMO. I fall asleep in conferences if I don't have enough sleep!!

Re: phones. As they can tell when a phone was put on/off charge can they also tell when phones have been set for an alarm. Eg. What time the GBC family set their alarms for that morning?
 
I still don't believe Allison was watching the Footy Show and GBC went to bed that night. I think it was most likely the other way around.

If Allison had a conference the next day and wanted to leave by 7am then she would have most likely wanted a good nights sleep IMO. I fall asleep in conferences if I don't have enough sleep!!

Re: phones. As they can tell when a phone was put on/off charge can they also tell when phones have been set for an alarm. Eg. What time the GBC family set their alarms for that morning?

I'm not sure about that as with mine once the alarm has gone off it resets the alarm to off and it's only if you have one set that hasn't gone off - maybe they can tell but it's a fairly simple on off thing I ave about 6 different times in mine that I have set alarms for and it just remembers them and I can just choose to turn that particular alarm on
 


I agree, Ollijack. Not the brightest bunch, but as Thinking said in an earlier thread, GBC's attitude has from early on "given the police the following unspoken message: I know that you know I did it, you just have to prove it - and good luck with that. The message has been similar from NBC."

I hope it won't be too long before we find that the hard work of the police has been rewarded by some good luck!

IMOO

That seems to be it .......... in a nutshell.
 
Daddy's bleeding, mummy's missing & fallen down a mine shaft & won't be back, the police have been called and are there asking lots of scary questions, BUT RUN ALONG NOW WITH AUNTY & HAVE A LOVELY DAY!

When sleep deprived people act strangely, almost like they're drunk & just don't think properly. Under the circumstances I believe nobodyslept well that night.

COUNTING DOWN THE WEEKS NOW-C'MON MARCH!


Yes I'd believe it - he was a manipulator. He would have been domineering and ruthless in front of Allison. Those girls would have been subject to some of the verbl abuse as well - there was an entry in Allisons diary - 'My partner gets angry when I try to parent my girls and let them get away with things.'

I am sure the kids knew he was one personality with A and another with T. And he was mean to mummy and you couldn't believe half of what he said because it was just meant to hurt feelings.
 
According to the court documents issued at the bail hearing....

The released bail documents also provide details for the first time of Baden-Clay's emergency call to report his wife missing at 7.15am on April 20.

Baden-Clay told the operator his wife had a seminar in the city and she was planning to leave by 7am.

"I'm now driving the streets. My, my father's come over and, to look after the children," he said.

So NBC & OW were there @ 7.15 or did OW arrive later.

"I'm now driving the streets.....so GBC called 000 from the car while OW & NBC were holding the fort. Can't see anywhere that Constable Ash mentions NBC in this statement but the full statement wasn't released I don't think.

CANT WAIT FOR MARCH - COUNTING DOWN THE DAYS
 
Two senior officers arrived at 8.45am and began talking to Baden-Clay, whose sister Ms Walton returned to the home.

"I asked her what the girls had been told this morning," Constable Ash said.

"She said 'that Gerard told the girls shortly after 6am that mummy had gone for a walk and probably fell down a hole (and) would not be back'."

For the time line.......it sounds OW had taken the children to school before the police had arrived and had then returned....still no mention of NBC being there

OUR COPS ARE TOPS & CONSTABLE ASH IS A HERO!
 
According to the court documents issued at the bail hearing....

The released bail documents also provide details for the first time of Baden-Clay's emergency call to report his wife missing at 7.15am on April 20.

Baden-Clay told the operator his wife had a seminar in the city and she was planning to leave by 7am.

"I'm now driving the streets. My, my father's come over and, to look after the children," he said.

So NBC & OW were there @ 7.15 or did OW arrive later.

"I'm now driving the streets.....so GBC called 000 from the car while OW & NBC were holding the fort. Can't see anywhere that Constable Ash mentions NBC in this statement but the full statement wasn't released I don't think.

CANT WAIT FOR MARCH - COUNTING DOWN THE DAYS

Driving the streets.... Tidying up any loose ends?
Again, very peculiar. If looking for a lost wife, wouldn't you be "driving the streets" BEFORE calling the police.
But no, first a shave, then a few words of "comfort" about mummy not coming back, check in with sis, then um....(thinking hard) ah yes, call the cops, and um, (getting it right), take a drive. (That mobile phone.....?)
 
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Re: phones. As they can tell when a phone was put on/off charge can they also tell when phones have been set for an alarm. Eg. What time the GBC family set their alarms for that morning?

Don't believe so alicat .... things that are traceable on a phone are things that involve transmission of a signal to the phone tower, or a change in the signal transmission such as the blip that happens to the signal when a phone is put on/taken off a charger. Alarms (among other things) don't require transmission via the phone tower. They are just a personal feature.

IMO
 
there was an entry in Allisons diary - 'My partner gets angry when I try to parent my girls and let(s) them get away with things.'


I got a slight different take on that passage. I got from it that he undermined her parenting. There is nothing worse than having to parent/discipline children. Imagine if Daddy then told the kids to ignore their silly Mummy's instructions. It would have been another way of belittling her and trying to find favour with the girls.

BTW I hope the quoted section comes out right... :blushing:
 
I still don't believe Allison was watching the Footy Show and GBC went to bed that night. I think it was most likely the other way around.

Alicat, your post really resonates with me and I think you could have something here. I have read that lies often contain an amount of truth but the facts are just twisted to make the lie. As I have said before I also listen very carefully to your instincts. I have also thought that Allison would have gone to bed first maybe after an argument about TM attending the conference.
 
Two senior officers arrived at 8.45am and began talking to Baden-Clay, whose sister Ms Walton returned to the home.

"I asked her what the girls had been told this morning," Constable Ash said.

"She said 'that Gerard told the girls shortly after 6am that mummy had gone for a walk and probably fell down a hole (and) would not be back'."

For the time line.......it sounds OW had taken the children to school before the police had arrived and had then returned....still no mention of NBC being there

OUR COPS ARE TOPS & CONSTABLE ASH IS A HERO!

".......it sounds OW had taken the children to school before the police had arrived and had then returned...." Could have been that they thought it was best to get the children out of the way to avoid them saying things to the Police; after all, the children must hold some 'useful account' of events.
 
".......it sounds OW had taken the children to school before the police had arrived and had then returned...." Could have been that they thought it was best to get the children out of the way to avoid them saying things to the Police; after all, the children must hold some 'useful account' of events.

Yes a bit early for them all to be at school unless Allison had booked them in to a before school session because of the conference - I seem to remember some early talk of a friend taking them - perhaps the friend turned up and that's why the police had to be called so early
 
".......it sounds OW had taken the children to school before the police had arrived and had then returned...." Could have been that they thought it was best to get the children out of the way to avoid them saying things to the Police; after all, the children must hold some 'useful account' of events.

Agree fully. And Children can say the darndest things.
Worse: Out of the mouths of babes and children comes truths. Look out!
 
Interesting article, and may just have been able to help in determining cause of death in Allison's case, if we had this capability already. But it's not quite ready for prime time yet:

According to inventors of system, Virtopsies allow detection of injuries often undetectable in traditional methods

Kate Connolly in Berlin
Monday 7 January 2013

guardian.co.uk
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/jan/07/murderers-beware-virtual-autopsies-investigations
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Stand aside Dr Quincy, you may no longer be required: the inventor of a state-of-the-art computer-assisted autopsy system that is increasingly being used in European hospitals has claimed the technique could eventually mean there is no such thing as a "perfect murder".

The method, called "Virtopsy", is now being used at selected forensic medical institutes in Europe, having been pioneered by a group of scientists at the University of Zurich. Instead of reaching for the scalpel and making the Y-shaped incision in the chest with which a tradition autopsy begins, pathologists are now able to examine the corpse in 3-D via computer screens.

Michael Thali, the director of Zurich's Institute for Forensic Medicine in Europe and one of the inventors of Virtopsy, said it had the potential to revolutionise criminal investigations. "Basically there will be no such thing as the perfect murder any more as a virtual autopsy allows you to find every piece of evidence," he said.

Virtopsies combine the images from high-powered magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), computed tomography (CT) and surface scans of dead bodies. Combined, the devices are referred to as a "virtobot". The technique allows the detection of injuries such as lesions and blows often undetectable during a traditional autopsy, as well as air pockets, heart attacks and even cancer.

"The Virtopsy has the potential to replace the autopsy one day," Richard Dirndorfer, one of the pioneers of DNA analysis in criminology, and a founder developer of Virtopsy, told the German science magazine PM. "I think we'll see it happen gradually, just like DNA analysis gradually replaced blood group analysis," he said.

The computer imaging techniques allow doctors to gain in-depth insights into the deepest interiors of dead bodies. The method has already allowed the discovery of haemorrhages and fractures that were not picked up during conventional autopsies. The initial aim is to use the new method to complement the traditional autopsy.

"It will enable forensic scientists to plan their autopsies far more efficiently," Dominic Wichmann, an internal medicine specialist at Hamburg's University Hospital, told Spiegel. Criminologists from around the world have been travelling to Switzerland over the past few years to see the development of the new method for themselves.

The US forensic medical drama CSI has already twice featured Virtopsies. In one, a the system was able to prove that a murder victim was killed by a bullet through the cheek, in another a Virtopsy on a murdered man meant his wish to be cryogenically frozen could still go ahead as his body remained intact.

The method has been under development for decades, with the scientists behind it first housed in an unheated laboratory on a university campus where they were considered a bit of a laughing stock. Later, a donation from a rich opthalmologist enabled the project to take off. Even then it was initially rejected for its potential to undermine the traditional skills of forensic scientists and pathologists. But a new generation appears to be seeing it as less of a threat and rather as something that will complement and substantiate conventional methods and possibly even one day replace them, though probably not entirely.

"In order to analyse the colour of the blood, the consistencies (of body fluids) or smells, we'll need to keep on with the conventional cut," said Lars Oesterhelweg, deputy director of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at the Charite hospital in Berlin, which is using a version of the Virtopsy.

He added that the new method was particularly helpful in re-examining cases where the cause of death was unclear. "It means that third opinions can be gathered, investigations can be reexamined and cases can be reopened," he said.

Scientists using the new method said that relatives of the dead, who are often reluctant for autopsies to be carried out because of the disfigurement they caused, were much keener on the non-invasive method.
 
Interesting article, and may just have been able to help in determining cause of death in Allison's case, if we had this capability already. But it's not quite ready for prime time yet:
DrWatson this is a wonderful 'cutting edge' contribution to our knowledge. We are fortunate to have you here on WS. Thank you for contributing to our education in this area.
 
Possibly the beard wasn't there as a cover, maybe his face was too painful to shave a little bit of justic already?

Oh poor GBC was little bit hurt but you'll be OK because March is gonna be a big month for you
 
I wonder if he'll be clean shaven for the court in March or will the scaring be still apparent?

He did have his face hidden in court before, we now know what the reason was?

I think we'll have to start a betting tote on this one.
 
I wonder if he'll be clean shaven for the court in March or will the scaring be still apparent?

He did have his face hidden in court before, we now know what the reason was?

I think we'll have to start a betting tote on this one.


I think the defence would like him clean shaven?

Personally I think he's going to go for the bushy,scuffy beard look.
Trying to win sympathy as a grieving husband.

Although he may be looking for a new mistress so may want to look sharp. :floorlaugh:

Who's working out the odds? ; )
 
I can see Marlywings or the good Doctor standing outside the court with a bookmakers bag. A fair and honest gamble is what the Doctor ordered?

Just visualising.
(only joking Marly & Doc no offence intended.)
 
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