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Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #16
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I know pmf used to have a pic of this for sure. Ill look for it
Found it. Though its in Italian.
http://perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=23&image_id=1248&sk=t&sd=d&st=0
OK. Maybe Knox turned her phone off in case her boss changed his mind and decided to call her into work (one of her own stories). And S. turned his off ....say, in sympathy.
Throw in, let's say that all the DNA evidence was contaminated and unreliable. Add in, Knox was a frightened innocent babe who did cartwheels at the police station out of nervousness, who didn't understand what was going on, who felt pressured to implicate a completely innocent man and who forgot over the next 2 weeks to retract the accusation.
Also, allow reasonable doubt about time of death.
What's left, the indisputable facts, are enough to find her guilty. The break in was staged. Outside shutters were closed, had to be opened before rock was thrown, involving multiple climbs up and down, not a blade of grass disturbed under the window, and not a single shard of glass to be found outside. Nothing stolen, or collected to be taken afterwards.
Why stage a break in? More important, who benefitted from staging a break in? Who could have done the staging?
The defense didn't dispute the fact of a bloody footprint found on a bathmat in the smaller bathroom. A naked footprint. Guede's footprints wled straight from Meredith's room to the door out. His SHOE prints. He had blood on his shoes. Someone else had to have had blood on their bare feet to have left the print. Who could that be if nobody else entered the house between the time of the murder and the next day?
Throw in, let's say that all the DNA evidence was contaminated and unreliable. Add in, Knox was a frightened innocent babe who did cartwheels at the police station out of nervousness, who didn't understand what was going on, who felt pressured to implicate a completely innocent man and who forgot over the next 2 weeks to retract the accusation.
Also, allow reasonable doubt about time of death.
What's left, the indisputable facts, are enough to find her guilty. The break in was staged. Outside shutters were closed, had to be opened before rock was thrown, involving multiple climbs up and down, not a blade of grass disturbed under the window, and not a single shard of glass to be found outside. Nothing stolen, or collected to be taken afterwards.
Why stage a break in? More important, who benefitted from staging a break in? Who could have done the staging?
The defense didn't dispute the fact of a bloody footprint found on a bathmat in the smaller bathroom. A naked footprint. Guede's footprints wled straight from Meredith's room to the door out. His SHOE prints. He had blood on his shoes. Someone else had to have had blood on their bare feet to have left the print. Who could that be if nobody else entered the house between the time of the murder and the next day?
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The evidence of TOD is not based on the contents of Meredith's stomach, it's based on the fact that none of the meal she ate at 6:30 had yet passed from her stomach into the duodenum. In a normal person, passage starts in under 3 hours.
Combine this with other evidence, such as the fact that Meredith was still wearing her jacket and it becomes clear she that she was attacked just after arriving home. We know that Meredith left her friend Robin at about 8:55 pm, from there she walked home alone. She attempted to call her mother at 8:56 pm, but the call failed to connect to the a cell tower. The car park video camera captured her image a couple minutes after 9 pm. She would have entered the cottage about 9:05 pm.
Combine this with other evidence, such as the fact that Meredith was still wearing her jacket and it becomes clear she that she was attacked just after arriving home. We know that Meredith left her friend Robin at about 8:55 pm, from there she walked home alone. She attempted to call her mother at 8:56 pm, but the call failed to connect to the a cell tower. The car park video camera captured her image a couple minutes after 9 pm. She would have entered the cottage about 9:05 pm.
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I don't know if this is what you're referring to but ill attempt to answer in case. After the investigators documented the prints with markers and photos, they wiped the footprints away with little clothes and put it in tubes. PS said this was done before Meredith's body was even removed because she felt the prints were delicate in that some were barely visible as it was. This activity can be seen in the crime scene collection video.
Police did not introduce Lumumba's name to the discussion. How could they ... they knew nothing about him. Knox admitted during testimony that she introduced his name to the discussion.
I posted the exact quotes from the trial testimony but it was deleted, so I'm not going to waste time in posting it again.
It doesn't matter what the internet says about hickeys. What matter is eye witness testimony regarding the nature of the injury.
Foot -- I thought she was wearing a sweatshirt, not a jacket. But even if it was a jacket....that she had it on doesn't indicate much, IMO. Maybe it was cold in the house. Maybe she took it off then put it back on. Multiple other possibilities exist that are unrelated to time of death. About stomach contents etc....I don't agree that they are conclusive, and given all the other evidence of her guilt, I don't think that lack of definitive evidence is meaningful.
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Gotcha... thanks for clearing that up for me.
It is completely lost because neither had ever turned off their phones before, so doing it at the same time during the hours when Knox's roommate was murdered does not have anything to do with the fact that they were young and in love.
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Rudy Guede had a serious problem. Clear physical evidence linked him to the murdered victim.
The stories he told to try and explain the evidence give us a clue as to what really happened. Rudy claimed to have been on toilet when a stranger bust through the door, that he fought with the stranger in the kitchen. The fight probably did start in that area, but it was with Meredith. She came home while Rudy was using the toilet. He didn't flush to avoid alerting Meredith to his presence, then tried to sneak out the front door. What Rudy didn't know is that the latch on that door was broken. Meredith would have locked the deadbolt to keep it from blowing open.
Rudy looks for another way out, but runs into Meredith. A short but brutal fight follows, moving into her bedroom. Rudy pulls out a knife and kills the poor girl.
Rudy has blood on his pants and other clothing, his hands are a mess. He goes into the small bathroom to clean up. He takes his shoes off and attempts to rinse the blood from his pants. The footprint on the bath at is from the diluted blood flowing down his leg. Rudy puts his shoes back on and returns to the murder room. He needs Meredith's keys to open the front door. He takes her money, credit card, cell phone and a sweatshirt to cover his bloody shirt. While doing so, he steps in the pooling blood. He locks the bedroom door on his way out, but doesn't lock the front door. He does not want to be seen standing outside the cottage fumbling with keys.
Rudy heads home by a route outside the city walls. Avoiding the basketball courts were he is likely to encounter people that know him. He tries the side gate near his home, but finds it locked. He continues on the path to the next gate, when one of the cell phones gets an incoming message. Realizing the phones link him directly to the dead girl, Rudy tosses them over a wall into what looks like a ravine before continuing home.
The stories he told to try and explain the evidence give us a clue as to what really happened. Rudy claimed to have been on toilet when a stranger bust through the door, that he fought with the stranger in the kitchen. The fight probably did start in that area, but it was with Meredith. She came home while Rudy was using the toilet. He didn't flush to avoid alerting Meredith to his presence, then tried to sneak out the front door. What Rudy didn't know is that the latch on that door was broken. Meredith would have locked the deadbolt to keep it from blowing open.
Rudy looks for another way out, but runs into Meredith. A short but brutal fight follows, moving into her bedroom. Rudy pulls out a knife and kills the poor girl.
Rudy has blood on his pants and other clothing, his hands are a mess. He goes into the small bathroom to clean up. He takes his shoes off and attempts to rinse the blood from his pants. The footprint on the bath at is from the diluted blood flowing down his leg. Rudy puts his shoes back on and returns to the murder room. He needs Meredith's keys to open the front door. He takes her money, credit card, cell phone and a sweatshirt to cover his bloody shirt. While doing so, he steps in the pooling blood. He locks the bedroom door on his way out, but doesn't lock the front door. He does not want to be seen standing outside the cottage fumbling with keys.
Rudy heads home by a route outside the city walls. Avoiding the basketball courts were he is likely to encounter people that know him. He tries the side gate near his home, but finds it locked. He continues on the path to the next gate, when one of the cell phones gets an incoming message. Realizing the phones link him directly to the dead girl, Rudy tosses them over a wall into what looks like a ravine before continuing home.
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I got the info from her trial testimony video on youtube (Amanda Knox Trial Testimony, Part 1 English - YouTube). She says that she replied to Lumumbas message "see you later" (in italian)- and that is how police got suspicious about Lumumba, as this means something else in Italian.
As I said before, I just started with this case a couple of days ago and as I have 2 small kids I really cant read all the pages on here.
So much in this case was later rated as not admissable, I might have missed something and thus be wrong of course.
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The Massei Report states otherwise.
It is a known fact that stomach contents, regardless of what is going on with the last meal, cannot be used to determine time of death.
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You have the attack at minutes after 9pm. Did RG stay at the cottage for an hour leaving around 10? How long do you think the attack lasted? The phones were still close to the cottage at 10:13, they were not at Lana's at the 10:13 ping, that is clear.
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If only there were a real trace of him in that bathroom. There is zero evidence of him attempting to clean himself up in it.
Instead we have evidence Amanda did.
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Investigators told Knox that it was important to tell the truth. They questioned her about her recent cell phone activity. Knox introduced Patrick's name. Knox, for whatever reason, then told investigators that she met with her boss at the basketball courts, that they went to the cottage and so on until Patrick murdered Meredith.
Essentially, Knox is blaming investigators for her lies about Patrick. She blames them for forcing her to lie because they told her to tell the truth. She claims that only after 53 hours of torture did she implicate Patrick, but that's another lie.
She did everything she could to blame someone else, but she, alone, is responsible for her words, and no amount of new lies can change that.
I thought that the phones pinged in the garden down the road shortly after midnight, when Meredith's father phoned her.
Who originally came up with the story about Guede washing his clothes in the small bathroom? It's been floated around here for a while, but it clearly (IMO) has it's origin somewhere else. Is it from the same source as the conspiracy theory between Postal Police and the Supreme Court?
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Quick question. When someone went to the cottage, say from the area that RS lived, would the CCV camera record them? (I believe that CCV is the correct "term") There is footage of Meredith returning to the cottage, footage of RG going to the cottage at least once (I believe it recorded him twice though that night) that night. So then where is the footage of AK and RS going to the cottage? What about them leaving the cottage?
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