Amanda Knox New Motivation Report RE: Meredith Kercher Murder #1 *new trial ordered*

[SMK]

I tried to upload the "Debunking the Hellmann Report" files from PMF, but am not able to. I really do not think the report attains its aims.

 

[SMK]

Anybody out there?:seeya:

 

[Malkmus]

Someone has written a rather incendiary blog challenging the rumors that AK is receiving death threats:

Death threats for Amanda Knox?

Get real. Nobody wants to kill her, right? She doesn't deserve to die, although she could stand to try harder at clearing her name in this horrible case. At the worst, she deserves for her case to be looked over by American experts and authorities (FBI, etc.) just in case the Italians flubbed this up more than previously thought.

It's interesting that this person criticizes Amanda for allegedly receiving what she implies are imaginary death threats as some sort of PR move. There's a lot wrong with this article.

http:///viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981036456

 

[SMK]

Someone has written a rather incendiary blog challenging the rumors that AK is receiving death threats:



It's interesting that this person criticizes Amanda for allegedly receiving what she implies are imaginary death threats as some sort of PR move. There's a lot wrong with this article.

http:///viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981036456

You know, I saw that article last night, and I did not like its tone. I did not like the entire thrust of the piece.:furious:

 

[SMK]

Among other things, the closing is horribly wrong. And I would never guess from the writing that this is a prolific writer.

Justice will come when it is ready, and if Amanda and Raffaele are truly guilty of Meredith Kercher's murder, something will happen to reveal that truth when the time comes. Until then, it's apparent that Knox and Sollecito have moved on with their lives and don't appear to be in the least bit threatened.

Chelsea Hoffman is a prolific crime writer and fiction author with several works published. Her writing has been recognized by such entities as NBC Dateline and several others.

http:///viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981036456

 

[SMK]

Another recent piece from Ground Report :

AMANDA KNOX: The Fourth Reich or a Slippery Slope?

http://www.groundreport.com/World/AMANDA-KNOX-The-Fourth-Reich-or-a-Slippery-Slope/2943706

 

[Malkmus]

Among other things, the closing is horribly wrong. And I would never guess from the writing that this is a prolific writer.

http:///viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981036456

One thing I was curious about was where she even read about the "mounting death threats". Why doesn't she name the source? That's what made the title of her piece "Amanda Knox Death Threats? Where? When?" pretty ironic, since that's the question left with the reader once they're done. Did anyone actually mention death threats recently or is this person just filling the void with something else to rile up followers of this case? Also, funny that she writes that American FBI agents should look at the evidence because they'd probably disagree with the recent verdict. Ha!

EDIT: Ah, I see it's the same article you linked to SMK. "Reports of death threats continue to mount for Amanda. Posts across the internet are still laced with inappropriate comments, like inferring that dismemberment of Amanda would be justified to teach her family a lesson. Unacceptable!"

 

[SMK]

One thing I was curious about was where she even read about the "mounting death threats". Why doesn't she name the source? That's what made the title of her piece "Amanda Knox Death Threats? Where? When?" pretty ironic, since that's the question left with the reader once they're done. Did anyone actually mention death threats recently or is this person just filling the void with something else to rile up followers of this case? Also, funny that she writes that American FBI agents should look at the evidence because they'd probably disagree with the recent verdict. Ha!

Yeah, bringing up this incendiary talk about death threats, yet neither you nor I nor anyone I know of has read of an actual claim by Knox to have received any such threats. Yes, she ought to talk to Steve Moore about the FBI perspective!

 

[Malkmus]

Yeah, bringing up this incendiary talk about death threats, yet neither you nor I nor anyone I know of has read of an actual claim by Knox to have received any such threats. Yes, she ought to talk to Steve Moore about the FBI perspective!

In the comments section Bruce Fisher informs her that both Steve Moore and John Douglas reviewed much of the evidence (and came to the same conclusion as Hellmann). Her answer - they're probably biased. So other FBI agents should look also. There's a third FBI agent, Cliff Van Zant, who also found the evidence shaky, but never made a conclusive decision. At which point though can one stop waving around the "bias" card? Hellmann was paid off, the FBI agents are biased, Hampikian is self-serving, Conti and Zanetti must have been paid off too, and Mariott bought off the entire American press to report only what he wanted them too. Oh and the AMerican government put pressure on the Italians, as if everything else mentioned wasn't enough. I mean the level of corruption here is so outlandish that I don't understand how the people making such accusations don't see the absurdity.

 

[SMK]

In the comments section Bruce Fisher informs her that both Steve Moore and John Douglas reviewed much of the evidence (and came to the same conclusion as Hellmann). Her answer - they're probably biased. So other FBI agents should look also. There's a third FBI agent, Cliff Van Zant, who also found the evidence shaky, but never made a conclusive decision. At which point though can one stop waving around the "bias" card? Hellmann was paid off, the FBI agents are biased, Hampikian is self-serving, Conti and Zanetti must have been paid off too, and Mariott bought off the entire American press to report only what he wanted them too. Oh and the AMerican government put pressure on the Italians, as if everything else mentioned wasn't enough. I mean the level of corruption here is so outlandish that I don't understand how the people making such accusations don't see the absurdity.

I agree. I remain stunned that Hellmann's verdict and motivation report has left many who believe in guilt unmoved-- moreover, they are sure that Hellmann himself is corrupt or was effected by those who are. There has even been talk that the Sollecitos got the Mafia to threaten Hellmann.

I guess I was being too optimistic, but I really had thought when Hellmann acquittals rang out over the media, that there would be many on sites such as PMF/TJMK who would take stock, and say, "The Court has spoken. We must re-examine our original assumptions." How could I have been so naive and idealistic??? No one has changed his position one iota!!!:banghead:

 

[Malkmus]

I agree. I remain stunned that Hellmann's verdict and motivation report has left many who believe in guilt unmoved-- moreover, they are sure that Hellmann himself is corrupt or was effected by those who are. There has even been talk that the Sollecitos got the Mafia to threaten Hellmann.

I guess I was being too optimistic, but I really had thought when Hellmann acquittals rang out over the media, that there would be many on sites such as PMF/TJMK who would take stock, and say, "The Court has spoken. We must re-examine our original assumptions." How could I have been so naive and idealistic??? No one has changed his position one iota!!!:banghead:

Well, actually, PMF member Greggy quite openly changed his mind and left. There have been others over the years... our own RoseMontague included.

 

[Monzoo]

I agree. I remain stunned that Hellmann's verdict and motivation report has left many who believe in guilt unmoved-- moreover, they are sure that Hellmann himself is corrupt or was effected by those who are. There has even been talk that the Sollecitos got the Mafia to threaten Hellmann.

I guess I was being too optimistic, but I really had thought when Hellmann acquittals rang out over the media, that there would be many on sites such as PMF/TJMK who would take stock, and say, "The Court has spoken. We must re-examine our original assumptions." How could I have been so naive and idealistic??? No one has changed his position one iota!!!:banghead:

Unfortunately, I don't think people like to be proven wrong. (I find that I struggle with this at times.)

I expect that if the innocence of AK and RS becomes clear, you won't see a large number of people online discussing their change of mind. They'll just stop discussing it. BTW, if the evidence was different and it became clear that they were involved, I expect that the same would occur with the prominent arguers for innocence.

 

[SMK]

Unfortunately, I don't think people like to be proven wrong. (I find that I struggle with this at times.)

I expect that if the innocence of AK and RS becomes clear, you won't see a large number of people online discussing their change of mind. They'll just stop discussing it. BTW, if the evidence was different and it became clear that they were involved, I expect that the same would occur with the prominent arguers for innocence.

Yes, I think you are correct. I feel that if evidence clearly showed their guilt, that I would be willing to rethink all, but I think you are correct about both sides not wanting to be proven wrong.

 

[SMK]

Well, actually, PMF member Greggy quite openly changed his mind and left. There have been others over the years... our own RoseMontague included.

Yes, I saw when Greggy did that, and yes, I know about Rose. But 2 compared to the vast other numbers simply reinforces the theory: They are the exceptions that prove the rule....

 

[SMK]

EXPERT REVIEW OF EXHIBITS 36 AND 165B

[Perizia genetica sui reperti 36 e 165b, pp. 66-93; translated by katydid]

"The expert review was entrusted to a panel composed of university professors at the faculty of forensic medicine at one of the most prestigious Italian universities (La Sapienza): Prof. Vecchiotti, a specialist in forensic genetics (as is shown from the titles she possesses, the material she teaches and her experience in previous cases); and Prof. Conti, a forensic scientist and also an expert in his field, and necessary in view of the complexity of the investigation, its dimensions being forensic as well as genetic. Both deserve the full faith of the Court on a professional and human level."

http://hellmannreport.wordpress.com...cision/expert-review-of-exhibits-36-and-165b/

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Among other things, the closing is horribly wrong. And I would never guess from the writing that this is a prolific writer.

http:///viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981036456

SMK,

I put a comment in there, and Chelsea pretended to agree with me, but in fact disagreed. I felt myself getting sucked into something that would be a waste of my time, so I disengaged.

 

[Malkmus]

I came to the same conclusion, Chris.

Don't know if you guys have been watching this interview with Nina Burleigh. She says some pretty scandalous things about PMF/TJMK that of course has them pretty upset. But what I found really interesting is her bewilderment that past journalists showed very little interest in Rudy's background which she decided to research. I haven't read her book yet, but after hearing her speak I've decided that it would be worth it. She comes off as very knowledgeable in a sobering way. Pleasant contrast to some interviewees who seem emotionally invested in the case.

http://www.digitalage.org/video/did-the-social-media-help-convict-amanda-knox/

 

[Nova]

Thank you so much, Malkmus! That interview is indeed really interesting. Most of it I knew, yet Ms. Burleigh is so articulate I was happy to hear things covered again.

 

[SMK]

SMK,

I put a comment in there, and Chelsea pretended to agree with me, but in fact disagreed. I felt myself getting sucked into something that would be a waste of my time, so I disengaged.

I think it was smart of you to disengage!:rocker:

 

[SMK]

I came to the same conclusion, Chris.

Don't know if you guys have been watching this interview with Nina Burleigh. She says some pretty scandalous things about PMF/TJMK that of course has them pretty upset. But what I found really interesting is her bewilderment that past journalists showed very little interest in Rudy's background which she decided to research. I haven't read her book yet, but after hearing her speak I've decided that it would be worth it. She comes off as very knowledgeable in a sobering way. Pleasant contrast to some interviewees who seem emotionally invested in the case.

http://www.digitalage.org/video/did-the-social-media-help-convict-amanda-knox/

The book is very good. PMF posters, predictably, are saying the interview is full of lies.