ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 6

[vlpate]

Other womens complaints have nothing to do with this case.

He can be a liar, a pervert, a scam artist, a pornographer, and generally an unlikable jerk---That doesn't make him a murderer.

You forgot an ABUSER, both mentally and physically - should that be discounted as well? How can you possibly claim the other women's complaints have nothing to do with this case??? Even the FBI found them relevant.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...t-past-missing/story?id=14297770#.TtlqK7KVpuQ
"One alleged, in court documents, that he choked her and stuck his hand down her throat after she objected to his swinger lifestyle. The other alleged that he posted photos and letters about her on neighbors' mail boxes, "threatened me ... and told me 'the world would be better off' without me and he could help."

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[R.U.Kidding!]

No, it just makes him a lying, thieving, scamming, unlikable freak. And imo, a freak who lies, cheats and scams and creates *advertiser censored* is more likely to be violent than someone who doesn't lie, cheat, scam and make their living making *advertiser censored*.

And others women's complaints DO have something to do with this case. The fact that he has a history of being aggressive, freaky and violent with others makes it more likely he would be the same way with Robyn.

....and it sure seems he could be all of those things. I am just saying even IF he were aggressive, violent, and freaky and makes a living making *advertiser censored*, is that really all that is needed to be GUILTY of murder?? I think the case can be made that it is the Quite ones, husbands, fathers, brothers , sons--you know, everyday "guys" that are the enigmas--to the outside world they are none of the things GG is--yet their darkness is under all that ordinariness--Evil has many faces, and it is not always the GG's of the world you have to watch out for--after all everything he is is there for all to see--he isn't hiding anything. At least Robyn wasn't surprised by that side of him, she knew him pretty well.

 

[otto]

What is your point? Do you think she went to Aruba to be murdered and used the "modeling" job as a ruse?

Perhaps you missed the earlier discussion. The question was whether Robyn Gardner was a model or an unemployed dental office employee.

 

[vlpate]

There was a rumor after the arrest that GG had several hairpieces with him. If that's true, then sewn in would not make sense. It might not be true ... GG will have to tell us more about it. Also, the hairpiece was removed at the time of arrest ... IRRC. If it was glued, then there's probably a way to quickly unglue it. Would he take it off for showering if it was glued, and does water dissolve the glue?

ugh G-D, I just threw up in my mouth a little.

 

[stilettos]

....and it sure seems he could be all of those things. I am just saying even IF he were aggressive, violent, and freaky and makes a living making *advertiser censored*, is that really all that is needed to be GUILTY of murder?? I think the case can be made that it is the Quite ones, husbands, fathers, brothers , sons--you know, everyday "guys" that are the enigmas--to the outside world they are none of the things GG is--yet their darkness is under all that ordinariness--Evil has many faces, and it is not always the GG's of the world you have to watch out for--after all everything he is is there for all to see--he isn't hiding anything. At least Robyn wasn't surprised by that side of him, she knew him pretty well.

I don't think she could have expected to be killed.

 

[katydid23]

....and it sure seems he could be all of those things. I am just saying even IF he were aggressive, violent, and freaky and makes a living making *advertiser censored*, is that really all that is needed to be GUILTY of murder?? I think the case can be made that it is the Quite ones, husbands, fathers, brothers , sons--you know, everyday "guys" that are the enigmas--to the outside world they are none of the things GG is--yet their darkness is under all that ordinariness--Evil has many faces, and it is not always the GG's of the world you have to watch out for--after all everything he is is there for all to see--he isn't hiding anything. At least Robyn wasn't surprised by that side of him, she knew him pretty well.

No, that is not ALL that is needed. There also needs to be motive, means and opportunity, and he seemed to have all 3. He took this woman to Aruba and returned without her.

 

[MaryAnn]

Yes. Correct me if I am wrong...was ther not a woman who accused this man of rape? Rape is a violent crime...why would that not be important to review in another possible violent act against a woman?

I know that two different women had restraining orders against him. I just heard the one story where he tried to strangle one of them and shoved all his fingers down her throat which could have also killed her. Actually, this is worse than rape, he tried to kill the woman! I didn't hear the 2nd woman's story. He is a FREAK! Something in his eyes is just flat out frightening!

 

[vlpate]

Perhaps you missed the earlier discussion. The question was whether Robyn Gardner was a model or an unemployed dental office worker.

You wrote:

Perhaps, at the age of 35, she thought that she had a future career in modeling, but I seriously doubt the modeling industry was interested. Furthermore, we know from early reports that the photos that GG had of Robyn were not fit for circulation in the general public.

She had been fired as a dental assistant - according to every news item I've read.

 

[otto]

I know that two different women had restraining orders against him. I just heard the one story where he tried to strangle one of them and shoved all his fingers down her throat which could have also killed her. Actually, this is worse than rape, he tried to kill the woman! I didn't hear the 2nd woman's story. He is a FREAK! Something in his eyes is just flat out frightening!

There was a complaint, but as far as I remember, even though police had video footage, charges were dropped.

 

[otto]

You wrote:


She had been fired as a dental assistant - according to every news item I've read.

Either way, I think it was shortly before she decided to go to Aruba with GG.

 

[vlpate]

There was a complaint, but as far as I remember, even though police had video footage, charges were dropped.

Can you source that please....Thanks!

 

[MaryAnn]

There was a complaint, but as far as I remember, even though police had video footage, charges were dropped.

The woman who took out the restraining order was either on NG or JVM, her voice only. She sounded very credible and did get the restraining order. They don't issue restraining orders for no reason. GG had to have done something to make the court issue it. Plus he had two of them. This all makes me believe he planned this from the get go.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I don't think she could have expected to be killed.

Did I say that she "expected" to be killed? I think you misunderstood my comment. I just said she "knew" the kind of man she was going to Aruba!!
Of course she didn't "pack" her suitcases to be killed. Geez! Is that really what you think I said?:waitasec:

 

[otto]

Can you source that please....Thanks!

It's funny, but each time I've been asked to source something, I actually search earlier discussions to find the links ... I'll see if I can find the discussion. Basically, the woman met him through the dating sites, had been dating him for some time (possibly 9 months - from memory) and was filmed in his bedroom. She claimed that it was assault, prosecutor's got a search warrant, police collected the tapes, and charges were not pursued. Either police, or the victim, decided to drop the case without additional evidence.

 

[MaryAnn]

Either way, I think it was shortly before she decided to go to Aruba with GG.

Yes, I heard that that's why Robyn went. She was depressed about losing her job and thought getting away would do her good. Little did she know she was traveling with Satan himself.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

No, that is not ALL that is needed. There also needs to be motive, means and opportunity, and he seemed to have all 3. He took this woman to Aruba and returned without her.

Than why is he out of jail and back on U.S. soil---Motive please.

Sure he had means and opportunity, anyone can have means and opportunity to kill someone.:waitasec:

 

[vlpate]

The woman who took out the restraining order was either on NG or JVM, her voice only. She sounded very credible and did get the restraining order. They don't issue restraining orders for no reason. GG had to have done something to make the court issue it. Plus he had two of them. This all makes me believe he planned this from the get go.

I think they need to look at every place he's lived in the past 25 years to see if there are missing or unsolved murders of young women. There's rarely a first time for 50 year old men who allegedly murder for kicks or profit.

 

[redheadedgal]

just watched a few minutes of the GMA interview with RR... and wow!

the guy wouldn't even answer the first question, and then the second question -actually the first question b/c GG refused to answer the real first question- his lawyer jumps in?? why won't you tell your story gary? you are participating in an interview are you not??? and he seems so hostile. i realize that might be b/c of being held in aruba for all this time but definitely not the way to portray oneself if innocent... or if you want everyone to think you're innocent.


i don't believe him. at all.


p.s. that hair piece? horrible. doesn't match. doesn't look real. HORRIBLE!

 

[MaryAnn]

It's funny, but each time I've been asked to source something, I actually search earlier discussions to find the links ... I'll see if I can find the discussion. Basically, the woman met him through the dating sites, had been dating him for some time (possibly 9 months - from memory) and was filmed in his bedroom. She claimed that it was assault, prosecutor's got a search warrant, police collected the tapes, and charges were not pursued. Either police, or the victim, decided to drop the case without additional evidence.

What does a restraining order mean to you? He's a wonderful fun loving guy? I'm sorry, but anyone who has tried to strangle one woman and God only knows what he did to the other one is capable of anything. He is one sick puppy

 

[vlpate]

Than why is he out of jail and back on U.S. soil

Sure he had means and opportunity, anyone can have means and opportunity to kill someone.:waitasec:

BEM: :floorlaugh: Two words - Joran Vandersloot.

---Motive please.

The motive is obvious - insurance money.