ATLANTIC CITY SK: possible link to LISK and GB4?

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Thanks JrzyGirl 70. I have an idea about what ties these girls together. I assume that none of them have driver's license. And depend on rides. I know SG of the LI murder. Used hired rides. Maybe the murderer was someone who told them he would give them a ride if they couldn't find anyone to drive them places.
 
Let me ask a question. Who has a business on Long Island that has to do with shoes? Who has enough money to interest escorts and street walkers? Who's wife left him because he has a foot fedish? His initials are SM. I think he created the belt that is one of the clues. He has also been to rehab for alcohol and drug abuse. He currently lives in Manhattan. He was raised in Queens. In a middle class family. He knows Long Island and more then likely has been to Atlantic City. He was arrested in 2000 for money laundering. He was released in 2005. He married an employee of his company. After his release. He works for his company as a designer. He uses materials that may have come in burlab sacks. He may have given donations to powerful government officials. So they won't look at him. I don't know if he is the SK. But I have been down the rabbit hole. With this case. I feel for all the mothers and fathers wanting answers. Especially the poor lady who tried to find her daughter. And died before she found out who was the SK.
 
I'm catching up on this thread and still learning about the AC4, but I strongly feel HA was the perp. JMO YMMV etc.
 
After many conversations with @Springrain about this, I am starting at the very least to question the several inconsistencies in HA's stories. What he's hiding, I don't know, but none of it looks good for him.

Springrain said:
I'm catching up on this thread and still learning about the AC4, but I strongly feel HA was the perp. JMO YMMV etc.
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Hi friends, I'm logging on for the first time in a long time (and was never really active to begin with - definitely a lurker) because of a coincidence that completely knocked me over today. I don't really know if this belongs here, but for lack of a better place, I'll share my story.

Last week's arrest has me catching up on The Killing Season - it's been on my list for a long time, but I've never gotten around to it. I'm watching S1E4, when Josh and Rachel travel to the Atlantic City "mystery site" suggested to them (about 23 minutes in). As they're driving in the car, there's a brief shot of the map, and I got an immediate sense of foreboding. As they pulled up, I knew immediately - I've been to this site, N Riverside Drive, just by the water treatment facility.

After retirement, my grandparents lived on the island of Brigantine. To get there, you need to drive through Atlantic City. Instead of taking the Expressway, my mother exclusively used the White Horse Pike (NOT the Black Horse Pike referenced in the show) to get there. Every time we made the trip (about 50 miles down the Pike), we'd pass a series of abandoned buildings, all haunting but cool in their own ways. We love antiques and old things, and we'd always point them out, wondering what they were like in their heydays.

This retinue of abandoned buildings included, just past the water treatment facility (and later, the wind farm), a derelict house with a blue tile roof, on N Riverside Drive. We'd always point it out, my mom called it her house, and we'd muse on what had happened to the sad little house on the water.

One day in Summer 2008, when I was 14 years old, my mom got an idea to stop by each of our roadside buildings, get out and actually take pictures. I remember it being oppressively hot and humid, and by the time we made it to Atlantic City, we were ready to be done with it. We drove down the completely empty street to the little house at the end, parked and got out.

I remember being terrified beyond measure of this house as we stood in front of it. It was broad daylight, but the overgrowth was such that you couldn't see further into it through the (broken) windows than a few feet. The whole structure was sagging, and I'm pretty sure there were parts of the upper exterior where the walls were missing and you could see right into the bathroom. We half-heartedly joked around about going inside, but I would have been worried about the floor falling through. There was a dock with a sunken little boat still there in the water, and we had to laugh at the sad, scary absurdity of it. I felt like people were watching me the whole time I was there. I'm getting chills just thinking about it.

It was demolished less than five years later, so by the time they drove out there for the show, it's just an empty street. But in 2006, this house was absolutely still there and, just trust me, it was absolutely terrifying.

I checked out historic aerials, and it looks like it was actually inhabited in 2002 (at least, there are lots of cars parked on the lot). The next aerial is 2006, and the cars are gone. There's actually Google Streetview on Absecon Blvd from September 2008, and if you turn toward the wind farm, you can see it there in the foreground.

To top this weird story off, my mom made one of those little Shutterfly picture books with the pictures we took from that day. She's mentioned it multiple times since then, because most of the buildings are gone now, and she's happy we have the pictures. If there's interest, I can scan in the pictures of the N Riverside Drive house tomorrow.
 
Why was RH ruled out on this case? "'We don't believe that the sex workers killed in Atlantic City are connected to Rex Heuermann,' Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison told The Post, adding cops in Atlantic County think someone else was behind the seaside slaughter." I wish I could find more on this because I know Rodney Harrison's been really good on these statements and sort of distinguishes between when they don't have enough evidence/won't be able to get enough evidence versus the person's genuinely "cleared."

If it was DNA, I think the "we don't believe" would be a little more emphatic, like "we know" it wasn't him, "we're confident' it wasn't him.

I still wonder if it could have been RH. Shannan Gilbert was found similarly positioned near a ditch, but they're saying that what seems like it would be her murder was (at first) drowning, then it turned into just vague "natural causes" (After thicket branches pulled off her pants. Or she voluntarily and inexplicably trotted into a thicket barefoot and experienced hypothermia and removed the pants herself. Immediately following a lengthy 911 call that sounded pretty rational to me, considering she probably didn't know the address of where she was, didn't trust the company she was in, knew she probably didn't know the real name of the person she felt was outside stalking her, and so on. But it was all supposed to be drug-induced mania, but when they tested for drugs-- to the extent they did-- nothing showed up. And they didn't test extensively enough to get results for short-term use.)

For the Brainard-Barnes indictment, they're producing records of his visit to Atlantic City, I'm not at all surprised by that. I had guessed he'd have been there, and I'm sure it's not the first time he was there.
 
what I find interesting is the series of four victims. He seems like he might go out of town and do his work there while things simmer back at home. I find it very easy to believe. I saw the docu about it and the place the bodies were found was like a jungley yard behind a broken down old hotel...they walked the original suspect through it. He was the caretaker at the hotel.

I don't think people forget seeing RH..that said, I think he can go unseen as he has , because he is wily, yeah? very very sneaky and busy at all times with his predilections as his digital/phone history tells us. does anyone know if we have anything in the autopsies? is there anything similar? perhaps he used bindings but didn't leave them.

it's the grouping of four..wonder if it can mean something?

You know, RH could lure a girl back there without even getting a room. He could say meet me behind the XO motel, I'll be back there I got a room in the back...when there is no room..just a deserted area no one goes to. mOO
 
I wanted to add that obviously RH can dispatch a woman very easily..the smaller they are the easier. I think he can quickly incapacitate a woman, silence her if needed, cause her to be unconscious before anyone hears a thing.
mOO
 
minazoe said:
I wanted to add that obviously RH can dispatch a woman very easily..the smaller they are the easier. I think he can quickly incapacitate a woman, silence her if needed, cause her to be unconscious before anyone hears a thing.
mOO
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And then there are tools like ball gags. She would be quite conscious and quiet. Unconscious people don’t give off the terrified reactions to torture that he is so fond of.
 
snarast said:
And then there are tools like ball gags. She would be quite conscious and quiet. Unconscious people don’t give off the terrified reactions to torture that he is so fond of.
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yes I hadn't thought of that but I think both scenarios can be true. A ball gag sounds absolutely sickening. mOO
 
snooptroop88 said:
Why was RH ruled out on this case? "'We don't believe that the sex workers killed in Atlantic City are connected to Rex Heuermann,' Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison told The Post, adding cops in Atlantic County think someone else was behind the seaside slaughter." I wish I could find more on this because I know Rodney Harrison's been really good on these statements and sort of distinguishes between when they don't have enough evidence/won't be able to get enough evidence versus the person's genuinely "cleared."

If it was DNA, I think the "we don't believe" would be a little more emphatic, like "we know" it wasn't him, "we're confident' it wasn't him.

I still wonder if it could have been RH. Shannan Gilbert was found similarly positioned near a ditch, but they're saying that what seems like it would be her murder was (at first) drowning, then it turned into just vague "natural causes" (After thicket branches pulled off her pants. Or she voluntarily and inexplicably trotted into a thicket barefoot and experienced hypothermia and removed the pants herself. Immediately following a lengthy 911 call that sounded pretty rational to me, considering she probably didn't know the address of where she was, didn't trust the company she was in, knew she probably didn't know the real name of the person she felt was outside stalking her, and so on. But it was all supposed to be drug-induced mania, but when they tested for drugs-- to the extent they did-- nothing showed up. And they didn't test extensively enough to get results for short-term use.)

For the Brainard-Barnes indictment, they're producing records of his visit to Atlantic City, I'm not at all surprised by that. I had guessed he'd have been there, and I'm sure it's not the first time he was there.
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One of the most understated facts about the Shannan Gilbert case in my opinion is the significance of the injury to her Hyoid bone as identified by the second autopsy. The hyoid bone is a U shaped bone in the throat. It was stated that the two 'horns' of Shannans hyoid bone were missing but at the time no one seemed to be interested in explaining what that actually means.

The hyoid bone and its 'horns' are one single piece of bone that form a 'U' shape so it takes a significant amount of force to break it in two places and as there were no other skeletal injuries, the amount of force required to break both horns off Shannans hyoid bone can only be considered consistant with murder by strangulation.

This means Shannan did not die by drowning or hypothermia while running around in the marshy area. It means not only was she was murdered right there in the Oak Beach Association Gated community where she went missing. It also means they and the police were covering it up not least for the fact the original autopsy never mentioned those injuries to Shannons thyoid bone but also for the fact even thought the police had stated Shannon probably ran off and drowned in the marsh they never went to look for her there even though any inquiry with Shannans cellphone provider would have found the last time her cell phone pinged the cellphone tower it was the one local to the Oak Beach Association.
 
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IamRaven9 said:
One of the most understated facts about the Shannan Gilbert case in my opinion is the significance of the injury to her Hyoid bone as identified by the second autopsy. The hyoid bone is a U shaped bone in the throat. It was stated that the two 'horns' of Shannans hyoid bone were missing but at the time no one seemed to be interested in explaining what that actually means.

The hyoid bone and its 'horns' are one single piece of bone that form a 'U' shape so it takes a significant amount of force to break it in two places and as there were no other skeletal injuries, the amount of force required to break both horns off Shannans hyoid bone can only be considered consistant with murder by strangulation.

This means Shannan did not die by drowning or hypothermia while running around in the marshy area. It means not only was she was murdered right there in the Oak Beach Association Gated community where she went missing. It also means they and the police were covering it up not least for the fact the original autopsy never mentioned those injuries to Shannons thyoid bone but also for the fact even thought the police had stated Shannon probably ran off and drowned in the marsh they never went to look for her there even though any inquiry with Shannans cellphone provider would have found the last time her cell phone pinged the cellphone tower it was the one local to the Oak Beach Association.
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Welcome aboard RAVEN to the World of Suffolk County Bulls--tt.
 
On that financial statement of RH that they show on the superseding RH bail document, it shows they went from one hotel to another when he arrived at Atlantic City in 2007. Now, ??? why would you do that? Yes, I know people do it. But it genuinely is a nightmare most people would try hard to avoid, especially with four people traveling. Why?? Why would you make four people do that? What was the difference on these hotels??

I've got no idea, but I do see there are some differences in internet available at these two hotels currently. So there's also a Massapequa Park Circuit City purchase soon after RH arrives back in Massapequa, that's the first purchase that appears on the statement following the trip. Maybe there is something to this, that does stand out a bit. So I dug into the records to the extent I could find them for internet at hotels in this time frame, and reviews particular to each hotel for this time frame. Found source: Research Proceedings of the Las Vegas International Hospitality Summit, June 2007 WiFi AVAILABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY AS STATED ON HOTEL WEBSITES: "Many travelers have begun to expect that they will be able to at least have access to their email while they are away. As a result, hotels have begun to provide guests with access to wireless networks while the guest is staying at their property" More: "Of the hotel websites that advertised Internet services, 65.7% of them specified that the Internet access was available wirelessly. Of that 65.7%, 39.1% of the websites stated that wireless Internet was available in either the guest rooms, public spaces (20.7%) or throughout the entire property (15.5%)."

"The findings of this study show that a vast majority of hotels in the United States use their websites in order to promote the availability of Internet access within their property. However, the number of hotels using their websites to market wireless Internet access is considerably lower."

So RH's first hotel did have wifi in rooms, and I saw one reviewer noting you could connect, no passcode or anything and use a wireless card. (There's dispute on this, but let's assume that was the case.) This sounds like something RH might like, considering his circumstances. That would seem to justify him wanting to stay at the first hotel if that were the case. But I also see complaints about the internet there, however, I don't know to put much credence in this because hotel internet is generally always being criticized. I also see numerous reviews saying this was "extra" cost for first hotel at this time, but again, these are reviewers, anyone can get on and say anything. However, "extra cost" means smaller pool of users, and I would think potentially more of a chance of a trail or increased risk of monitoring, and I definitely don't think he'd want that. This first hotel was built in 1986. They did have a business center and I know at least the current policy is 15 minute limit.

The second hotel was built in 1982 but I'm seeing this in Frommers: "After an incredible $75 million transformation, the 32-story high-rise luxury condominium tower opened its doors to excited guests on March 15, 2005." It has an actual "cyber center," (at least current policy: 30 min limit if someone's waiting) This computer lab/cyber center was there around the 2007 timeframe, and praised for having printers at a time when this would have been a rarity. Obviously more secure connections at these business/cyber centers with ethernet, the reviewer noted you could go ahead and print boarding passes, what have you, because of the printers. So this place got some high marks from business travelers for the internet, despite that in the target timeframe, you could only access wifi from one certain floor (think 6th?) and lobby.

Whatever about the wifi, I would guess RH would really want an ethernet connection in his room if he could get one. Sources suggest ethernet connections were in a lot, lot of hotel rooms, and still are, predating wireless connections. But this is going to be very particular to the hotel, you’d have to call and ask back in 2007, can I get ethernet in my room? I do know that one 2nd hotel reviewer said there was some pc multimedia player you could hook up to your computer available, and that's back in 2005. A lot of times these ethernet ports are in the TV, I'm wondering if that was the case at the second hotel. All in all, maybe this was a factor for the hotel change, but it's impossible to know in my opinion without knowing if either of these hotels provided ethernet in the actual rooms. The pc multiplayer in the room makes me wonder for the second hotel if he could get ethernet there.

Did he drive there or fly? Didn't see anything on the statement about a flight. If he drove, first hotel was noted by reviewer as having small parking spaces.

Would love to know why they switched hotels. It had to have some purpose other than screaming to LE over a decade later, "Look! RH is all by himself at home!" Maybe there's no sinister reason behind it, but I wonder about the quick trip out to Circuit City soon after he returned, where he spent like $165, that's $250 adjusted for inflation today.
 
The positioning of SG's remains, as it's described, reminds me of the AC 4 and the way they'd have been found. I know a lot of people view all LISK's maneuverings with the Gilgo remains to be pragmatically driven, he wants to avoid detection. While I'm sure that's true, I think RH is LISK, and he left the very distinctive family belt (grandfather) with one of the victims. That belt decision wasn't a very pragmatic decision. It was more personal & emotional, something linked to the strange way his mind moves and perceives reality. And it was risky. All MOO. I don't think he's always pragmatic. So I wonder if the AC victims aren't also RH/LISK, and he positioned them facing east towards his Gilgo graveyard.

I'd be really curious to know how often RH frequents AC.
 
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