Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #5

[crabstick]

Pipidinny road in 2002

 

[crabstick]

This is direct south of the GPO supplied coordinates on the internet, like within 5 metres
No Google Earth then

 

[Sutton]

Andrew Mallard - (born 1963) is a British-born Western Australian. 34yo at time of murders.

Murderer No More: Andrew Mallard and the Epic Fight That Proved His ...
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=N3tS-RfEBHcC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=david+caporn+police&source=bl&ots=_P1Noeup-v&sig=3L9PkGHWfPHV_BTSDkR_kz4x58I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjo_rzj_LMAhWhJ6YKHTdjA9s4FBDoAQgrMAM#v=onepage&q=david%20caporn%20police&f=false

"But I do martial arts and it stems from meditation and concentration with my kung fu ... as well as discipline and mind power, plus I am also an artist and I work well with intricate designs. I do celtic art so I have to memorise diagrams and intricate designs to do that."

So we have Mallard who has been fitted up for a crime by corrupt police in 1995 and was in jail at time of CSK murders. He admits he does martial arts, is into celtic art and hangs out with a crew that is into Wicca. Obviously Mallard's associates would be angry if they knew he was innocent. Does anyone think he may have had a friend who was also the same age and from a wealthy UK family and also a MAP?

From same book:
Calling on his well-honed skills of deceiving people to improve his self-image, Andrew introduced himself as an english backpacker called Andre who was looking for friendly digs near Fremantle until funds came through from the old country. His tale worked on a friend of Michelle's at Gino's cafe, a popular hangout on Fremantle's cappucino strip.

Interview with author of said book:
He also stole a chalice from the convent down the road, 'cause he wanted to impress the girl he was staying with because he wanted to pretend he was a wizard who did wicca. He was acting quite erratically and ended up in Graylands Psychiatric Hospital.

SO

connection to a Michelle at Gino's cafe, similar to Droc's story. how many Michelle's were hanging out at Gino's regularly? sounds like the same crew of dope smokers to me. The book makes mention of Michelle being in possession of a bong at her house.

we also have synchronicity with Wicca, and girl who told Dr Dunn that CG would be murdered in ritual killing near Eglinton.

"Neil Fearis receives a visit from Perth GP Dr Andrew Dunn. He has information to pass on, he says, that has been given to him by a female patient whom he does not name. He has gone to the police with the information, he tells Fearis, but they have not taken him seriously. This patient has told him that Ciara is being held captive in a house where black magic rituals will take place to appease the gods at the autumnal equinox. Come the Easter long weekend, she will be offered up as a human sacrifice, like the sacrificial lamb. Fearis, too, passes the information to the Macro taskforce. 'We were all so desperate to get Ciara back,' he recalls. 'But they didn't take the information at all seriously, so unbeknown to Denis Glennon, whom we knew did not need this extra stress, we hired private detective Mick Buckley to keep watch on the house in the hills for three days.'

After leaving the police force, Buckley became a private investigator in 1983. 'I got a phone call around 6 pm on Easter Thursday,' he recalls, 'asking me to start surveillance surveillance on this female patient. The information was that Ciara Glennon's murder would take place at The Spot in Yanchep. "


Bart is 100% confident a knife was used on CG and JR. Knife is known as a tool for Wiccan ritual killings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_tools_in_Wicca

This could also be why we have so many mentals coming on here playing cryptic clues about Iona, victims locations forming a cross, celtic symbols, old english meanings of the girls names etc.

Whether Droc's story was true or not -

Does anyone find it weird this Gino's cafe connection and a Michelle have turned up in both of these cases? The timeline of hanging out there matches up. Is it the same one?

Book makes mention that Michelle wears hippie dresses and is into Wicca -
"With dark hair and a slim figure, she dressed in the hippie garb favoured by Fremantle's alternative set. She smoked dope, played music and dabbled in Wicca".

At around 12:03:10 two gentleman and a woman in a long flowing skirt walk out of the club. - JR CCTV vid


Are these people all in the same crew? Was Simon Rochford known to them? He was also from UK although in jail at time of murders.

I had to read this post three times before I could grasp all the connections. I don't know the likelihood of Mallard having a English, MAP friend.

The Michelle and Gino's cafe mention is mind-boggling. I can't think of anything that could explain it right now. Mallard wasn't released until 2006, and the book you linked wasn't published until 2010. Droc was writing his letters in 2001ish (memory). I don't know if the letters contained that specific info but that was certainly part of his theory early on. So it's not as if he could have borrowed the ideas from the Mallard case.

Someone needs to talk to Michelle and find out what's going on.

I am afraid to comment on the Wicca references because I don't want to encourage the mental cases to post any new ideas.

I didn't realize The Spot in Yanchep was in/near Eglinton. Strange.

 

[Bartholemeus]

I presume this is what you discuss?

It's not that simple. Happy to discuss position of body but it's been discussed and your information appears to be incorrect. Also happy for anyone to challenge any of the assumed knowledge we have but this needs to be presented in detail.

The location of the bodies is extremely coincidental. But the CSK may have planned the dump sites months in advance. He may have used a ruler and USB, maybe he has knowledge of maps, or maybe he has access to maps through his job (surveyor, public servant at MRD etc).

But I don't think this is going to narrow down a suspect.

 

[crabstick]

So say, it is totally random. That would mean you came from the sealed end of the road to dump the body? Or go down, turn around and come back? Or you were facing the wrong side of the road. Wasn't Jane dragged?

Debi, Marshall, 2007. The Devil's Garden: The Claremont Serial Killings. 2nd ed. Australia: Random House.

 

[crabstick]

It certainly does tell us a lot about who it may be, and who it may not be. I have have sent the other aspects to police.
Nope, he hasn't used a ruler. More than attribute suggests not using a ruler, as in I don't think the UBD for a start supplies the coordinates for GPO centralisation.

A classic example is, I can tell you it is not David Birnie because he would as a POI, not have the skills used to do this.
I can tell you that this is more than likely not a military guy, well, a Navy guy.

It's not that simple. Happy to discuss position of body but it's been discussed and your information appears to be incorrect. Also happy for anyone to challenge any of the assumed knowledge we have but this needs to be presented in detail.

The location of the bodies is extremely coincidental. But the CSK may have planned the dump sites months in advance. He may have used a ruler and USB, maybe he has knowledge of maps, or maybe he has access to maps through his job (surveyor, public servant at MRD etc).
But I don't think this is going to narrow down a suspect.

 

[CSK?]

If police are sure the CSK is also responsible for the Karrakatta rape, how hard would it be to identify people who had owned a panel van and since purchased a new commodore of the make and model matching the fibres found on one of the bodies. even if it was just a news article asking " do you know someone who owned or had access to a panel van and has since purchased or has access to a commodore e.t.c" this to me would seem like a very reasonable line of inquiry considering the road blocks they are facing in that of their own inquiries. It might lead to absolutely nothing but there is nothing to lose by holding a public appeal for info if they were unable to determine themselves via the department of transportation.


And a question I have... what proof if any is there that the bodies were dumped within hours or the morning after the girls were abducted? Is it not possible that the killer held onto his body for a few days before disposing of them? is there proof to suggest this scenario did not occur? I just ask because the general discussion revolves around these girls being dumped on the same morning that they were abducted.

 

[Bartholemeus]

1. How did the CSK setup for the blitz attack
2. How long did he wait outside his car?
3. Where was he parked in each case?
4. Did he drive there before that night and prep the spot?
5. What weapon or physical strike did he use?
6. How did he minimize the sound?

1. Not convinced on blitz attack. For me it doesn't add up for SS or JR. Maybe CG. Maybe he waited for CG at rear of medical centre (but this means white commodore didn't exist). Maybe he was in car, she didn't get in, he drove on and waited for her at Corry Lyn Rd (but witnesses said they looked back and she and car were gone). I think the girls got into a car.

2. See above

3. If we assume blitz; rear of Olifants or behind Christ Church Centre for SS (this theory has flaws though), post office car park or coles car park or Rowe Park for JR, and back of med centre, Queenslea Drive or Corry Lyn Rd for CG

4. Likely IMO

5. Rope if blitz attack

6. A weapon IMO

Dump Sites

1. How were they chosen?
2. Were they deliberate?
3. Why weren't they buried?
4. Do you think the killer visited the sites afterwards? Why or why not?

1. A balance between a) time it takes to drive to the spot, and b) estimated length of time to be discovered. The further out of Perth, the better the hiding spot and perceived longer time before discovery. But this has to be balanced with how much time he has before sun rise. I don't think he was necessarily familiar with the sites until his pre-murder recon mission.

2. The chances of dumping 2 bodies and then a line being drawn between them crossing over the abduction locations being a coincidence are slim IMO. It probably just tells us this guy is a real planner and probably planned and fantasized over the killings for a long time in the lead up.

3. My guess is time constraint and risk of being caught in the act. SS may be buried and afterwards who reasoned this wasn't the best process.

4. Hard to say. Probably drove past. Maybe restrained himself if he was a hot POI. Maybe he visits the momentos he took? Anyone have any ideas?

Could local users please describe the likelihood of a body going unfound for all of these years if it was buried or dumped near the Jane Rimmer dump site?

Slim unless buried. Pretty sure Macro would have done thorough search inc. putting divers into that water nearby.

Martial Arts Practitioner
I don't see how someone who practiced martial arts or Judo in particular could have been responsible for the 1991 abduction. Or Karrakatta. Or the failed bashing. Would have to be a terrible 'martial artist'...

I think murder was never his intention with Karra (assuming Karra and CSK are same guy). The rest of it is straight out of a Steven Seagal playbook. Maybe the others weren't the CSK?

Questions

1. Which other serial killers committed abductions in such close proximity to each other and what did this tell us about the crimes and/or the offender?

2. Which other unsolved (or solved) case do you think is most likely to be connected to the CSK?

3. Why Club Bayview? Is this particularly easy to stalk/access/view?

4. Could someone please clarify which days of the week each victim went out and was abducted? I.e. Did they go out Saturday but technically get abducted on Sunday because it was past midnight?

5. What day was the ' bashing' incident? Does anyone have more information on this crime?

6. Do clubs in Claremont, especially Bayview, usually operate on weekends only, or is there a Thursday night or other night that they are open?

7. How many victims were wearing skirts?

8. What are your biggest takeaways from each crime and each possible connected crime?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...er-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia-4/page56

1. I might do some research on this

3. I don't think it's about CBV specifically. More about Claremont and the type of well heeled girls that frequent the nightspots there.

6. Thurs, Fri, Sat were the big nights in Claremont

7. Just CG. SS wore shorts, JR jeans.

 

[Bartholemeus]

It certainly does tell us a lot about who it may be, and who it may not be. I have have sent the other aspects to police.
Nope, he hasn't used a ruler. More than attribute suggests not using a ruler, as in I don't think the UBD for a start supplies the coordinates for GPO centralisation.

A classic example is, I can tell you it is not David Birnie because he would as a POI, not have the skills used to do this.

Ok, so we can rule out dumbarses. Due to the rest of the evidence it's unlikely our guy is a dumbarse anyway.

I can tell you that this is more than likely not a military guy, well, a Navy guy.

Why?

 

[Sutton]

If police are sure the CSK is also responsible for the Karrakatta rape, how hard would it be to identify people who had owned a panel van and since purchased a new commodore of the make and model matching the fibres found on one of the bodies. even if it was just a news article asking " do you know someone who owned or had access to a panel van and has since purchased or has access to a commodore e.t.c" this to me would seem like a very reasonable line of inquiry considering the road blocks they are facing in that of their own inquiries. It might lead to absolutely nothing but there is nothing to lose by holding a public appeal for info if they were unable to determine themselves via the department of transportation.


And a question I have... what proof if any is there that the bodies were dumped within hours or the morning after the girls were abducted? Is it not possible that the killer held onto his body for a few days before disposing of them? is there proof to suggest this scenario did not occur? I just ask because the general discussion revolves around these girls being dumped on the same morning that they were abducted.

Was any livor mortis visible on Ciara or was her body too decayed/blackened to tell? Anyone know?

 

[Elwood_1]

Hi, Elwood. I don't remember making this post. GreenDevil wrote up a crime scene analysis of sorts that contained some profiling aspects on Post #237. I argued an alternate theory on Post #274.

I've tried to write up an amateur profile, but don't have enough info to post anything useful. Did I maybe PM it to you?

They were the ones that I were I were thinking of. Thank you.

 

[Elwood_1]

It would be pretty hard to get that sort of sight line accuracy between Claremont and the dump sites unless you had access to very large accurate maps. You could buy them through the Department of Lands and Surveys in Hay Street. Or maybe our boy had access to them through work.

 

[Elwood_1]

Just before the CSK's I used to work for a large government department, and when the weekend came around you would just walk into the fleet managers office and ask him if you could borrow a car for the weekend. There was a board covered in keys like you see at car dealerships. If he liked you he would just wave at the board and you grabbed a set of keys and were away. He never cared what car, or what you planned to do with it, just so long as it was back on Monday morning in one piece. They usually carried fuel cards, so you could drive around all weekend if you wanted. No one cared.

The good thing was that they were all new cars, and often Falcons, Camrys, and Commodores, and they were cars that were out of reach of many people until they came onto the used market, so you got to be seen driving around in a new car. That was actually a pretty effective way of scoring when you were out at the pub. Much more so than pulling up in a '73 Torana or a Malvern Star.

 

[CSK?]

What professions come to mind that would upgrade from a panel van to a commodore as a work vehicle?

 

[crabstick]

Debi, Marshall, 2007. The Devil's Garden: The Claremont Serial Killings. 2nd ed. Australia: Random House.

Was any livor mortis visible on Ciara or was her body too decayed/blackened to tell? Anyone know?

 

[crabstick]

Calling users mental cases is not really called for considering several references in well, media, and hard copy. Slandering users is hardly conducive to robust discussion.
The biggest issue in this case, is the deliberate distribution of misinformation.

PW had a cats head placed on his letterbox which in the view of journalists relates to Wicca. And Andrew Mallard was clearly living with a Wicca practioner.
Not to mention Marshalls book is called, The Devils Garden. What that is a metaphor I'm unsure.

We are talking about serial killers that have chopped fingers off, and shoved them up the victims backsides. You want mental, that is mental. W
We are going to sound mental discussing what some whacko has done.


In 1880 an engineer known as "Satan" Browne established a dance hall and hotel known as Alta Gardens.

The Old Mill (Shenton’s Mill) is a restored tower mill located on Mill Point in South Perth, Western Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Mill,_Perth

I had to read this post three times before I could grasp all the connections. I don't know the likelihood of Mallard having a English, MAP friend.

The Michelle and Gino's cafe mention is mind-boggling. I can't think of anything that could explain it right now. Mallard wasn't released until 2006, and the book you linked wasn't published until 2010. Droc was writing his letters in 2001ish (memory). I don't know if the letters contained that specific info but that was certainly part of his theory early on. So it's not as if he could have borrowed the ideas from the Mallard case.

Someone needs to talk to Michelle and find out what's going on.

I am afraid to comment on the Wicca references because I don't want to encourage the mental cases to post any new ideas.

I didn't realize The Spot in Yanchep was in/near Eglinton. Strange.

 

[Bartholemeus]

What professions come to mind that would upgrade from a panel van to a commodore as a work vehicle?

A Professional Bogan who may have worked as a tradie in Perth then got a job on the mines and then upgraded to a new Holden. The only flaw in this is that it probably would have been a ute.

 

[papertrail]

1. Karrakatta Cemetary
Date: 1994, February 12, Saturday
Abduction location: Gugeri St, Rowe Park
Rape location: Karrakatta Cemetary
Tools: Van, bindings, blindfold
Distance from nearest other victim: ?
Probability of connection: 90%. Bret Christian reported a 'forensic link' had convinced police of the connection. The timing, locations, victim profile and major details of the MO fit well with this being either earlier in the series or a precursor crime while the CSK was still in a less-developed stage of his criminality.
Notes: Had been to Club Bayview
Biggest clues/takeaways from incident: Probable DNA, description of car (van), suspect is probably familiar with cemetery, uses ligatures, suspect “left her for dead” but in a place where the body would be found so he must not have planned to revisit it. Must have been left out of expediency, carelessness, or some other reason.
Questions: How did he hurt her? What kind of weapon/strike was used?


The Rowe Park abduction / Karrakatta cemetery rape occurred on Sunday 12 February 1995. By your use of the word 'takeaways' I assume you are referring to something connected to the victim and not food ! If so, this victim had fled naked to Hollywood Hospital therefore all of her clothes were removed; I would say that was pretty unusual. It is not known whether these clothes were recovered from the cemetery grounds or whether the perpetrator took them.

Re CG and the supposed DNA match to the Rowe Park victim. Could it be possible that CG had a sexual (only) encounter with this guy but he is not the killer ? Newspapers, at the time in 1997, reported that police had approximately 25 minutes missing in CG's timeline after she arrived at Claremont.

Also, there is no report that CG walked past Club Bayview; nor is a connection to Club Bayview raised in any of the police re-enactments - parts of which are included in the ABC documentaries I linked everyone to recently. Ic CG had walked past Club Bayview she would have come across the taxi rank that was there.

 

[papertrail]

What professions come to mind that would upgrade from a panel van to a commodore as a work vehicle?

doesn't need to be a professional in any sense. could well have owned a PV for leisuretime activities, he may not have owned a PV; maybe borrowed the PV from a family member / sibling or friend. Same scenarios with the station wagon with an addition that vehicle may have been employment related.

 

[papertrail]

Both Woolwich and Pippidinny were sealed roads

I think Pippindinny was sealed up past Ciara. The images show so.

At the time Woolwich was sealed up until it became Millar road which then became unsealed. Woolwich has since been amended to continue to the adjacent Millar rd

You can here see remnants in the dataset, and if you go back to the UBD of the time, you will see Millar rd on the hockey stick up to the start of Woolwich road which is coincidently where Jane was left. Jane was roughly left where the sealed and unsealed section was, which lead me to believe this may have been an old cadastra boundary of two districts.
Where one council had not yet sealed, and another council north side had sealed the road. A bureaucratic anomaly so to speak.

Seeing as a roads guy was a POI, taxi drivers were POI, and some with a Key to the city was POI, I felt it was relevant to point this out.

Both Woolcoot and Pipidinny Roads were unsealed. Check the numerous images that are used in the CIA doc and the ABC's docs.