Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #6

[Bartholemeus]

That direction is straight into the danger zone . Out of separate interest is the coles loading dock a hundred metres or abouts along gugeri st ? At the time it proved every direction was dangerous to go alone , the perp covered it brazenly
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Do the arrows point to what direction they walked or just where they were last seen?

It looks like there is an arrow from the top that points down to The Conti. What is this for?

 

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Ok, so this is in the background of the CIA doco. This was filmed in 2008. Anyone want to speculate why there is an article about Mallard posted on their wall?

Bart , surely they were using old tv news footage from the 90s ( if only somebody could get a clear screen grab ? ) (then you would see those arrows in question too )
Imo the reason for the mallard news snips was to pretend / show the scared citizens that the police were onto catching perp/s & seeing it was in mosman park (murder).. filmed in "08 but using "96 film snips . Included on screen is david caporn that framed mallard & then was appointed chief to the csk case afterwards ("gun new cop" media assisted or whoever) or else it was just to show news reports of the time without any intended bias toward mallard . It needs to be watched just like the cctv footage there's interesting stuff on that pin board . Been reading about birnies & theres arrest on 4-11-86 , wondering if there should be a ws thread on them & to discuss the possibility of other missing persons (other beforehand) than the 4+(1 escapee,) during his month of mayhem in oct "86 where he killed 4 women two of whom he abducted from stirling hwy , one at claremont . Soon will check the dates of missing women pre & post birnie , it could help eliminate some of the incidents discussed here sometimes where names of missing pers such as deverall ,mott, tate, turner, weston, fulton are mentioned in the csk threads & theres good reason , could we rule them out of the csk's potential victims . Anyone know if thats been covered ? If its concluded that birnie was more likely responsible or another perp then they can be separated from the csk . It would seem the claremont area pred begins his term about or well after where the birnies ends 1987 ,just guessing , but can imagine looking at some of this birnie era more & his panel van type pickup mo
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The arrows bart you might be correct . It doesn't mean that they headed - west it might do .
ciara didnt disappear from there , so thats my assumption it could mean thats where they "went" its possible ??
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[Peter Kurten]

The victim of the Rowe Park abduction and subsequent sexual assault received significant injuries.

 

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The victim of the Rowe Park abduction and subsequent sexual assault received significant injuries.

Really pk extreme violence ? The victim statement seems to suggest that , its very compelling. Pk do you think the attack played out how bart & I discussed a few posts ago yesterday ?

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Edited for clarity . LW from debi Marshall book .
( Looking passive imo)

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SD a friend of jane R from documentary cia hunt for a killer . (Poor quality) Screen grabs

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SR source (from here somewhere )
Taxi driver of Sarah S

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Do the arrows point to what direction they walked or just where they were last seen?

It looks like there is an arrow from the top that points down to The Conti. What is this for?

Bart , another idea, was ciara at the location arrowed and not cbv ( I don't actually know that bit ) is that what it means ? Is the street marked for ciara correct ?

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[Bartholemeus]

Bart , another idea, was ciara at the location arrowed and not cbv ( I don't actually know that bit ) is that what it means ? Is the street marked for ciara correct ?

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CG never went to CBV. She went for some after work drinks in the city and then dropped past The Conti. IIRC it was St Patrick's Day. She left the Conti and walked down Bayview Tce to Stirling Hwy, crossed over and then walked west along the Hwy towards Mosman Park.

I'd suggest the top two arrows point to the last establishment the girls were seen in. If you read the text near the bottom arrow it says "confirmed sighting". That seems inaccurate to me on a number of levels;

1. It's well before the bus stop that the "bus stop 3" were at. All reports say she walked past the bus stop on the other side of the road.

2. It's also well before Christ Church (the Church, not the school) where she was allegedly seen talking to the occupant/occupants of the white car.

So the question has to be asked - when exactly did they find out about the sighting from the bus stop 3? Where did Frankie go?

 

[Peter Kurten]

Really pk extreme violence ? The victim statement seems to suggest that , its very compelling. Pk do you think the attack played out how bart & I discussed a few posts ago yesterday ?

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I've been told that the offender was in actual fact parked at the end of Reserve Street closest to Melville Street. As to how accurate that information is, I can't say. While I understand the victim didn't get a good look at him, the evidence left behind was quite prolific.

 

[88mph]

CG never went to CBV. She went for some after work drinks in the city and then dropped past The Conti. IIRC it was St Patrick's Day. She left the Conti and walked down Bayview Tce to Stirling Hwy, crossed over and then walked west along the Hwy towards Mosman Park.

I'd suggest the top two arrows point to the last establishment the girls were seen in. If you read the text near the bottom arrow it says "confirmed sighting". That seems inaccurate to me on a number of levels;

1. It's well before the bus stop that the "bus stop 3" were at. All reports say she walked past the bus stop on the other side of the road.

2. It's also well before Christ Church (the Church, not the school) where she was allegedly seen talking to the occupant/occupants of the white car.

So the question has to be asked - when exactly did they find out about the sighting from the bus stop 3? Where did Frankie go?

All really good points.

What I find most interesting is that according to this map, CG went all the way to the end of Bay View, then right onto Stirling.

1. If there was a hidden video camera on Bay View as recently revealed, you'd assume this would have picked her up?

2. Why didn't she take the short cut behind HJ's then onto Stirling?? Was she mindful of the other abductions and being extra cautious??

 

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SD a friend of jane R from documentary cia hunt for a killer . (Poor quality) Screen grabs

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This guy does look a lot like the identikit. He's also "stocky".

 

[Bartholemeus]

2. Why didn't she take the short cut behind HJ's then onto Stirling?? Was she mindful of the other abductions and being extra cautious??

I've thought about this and came to the most likely conclusion;

She wanted the quickest route to the Hwy where she thought was her best chance of grabbing a cab

 

[phantomm]

Remember it's 1996. Cell phones in those days were very big. I had one that year that was carried in a bag. Smaller phones didn't come out till 1997/8.

 

[phantomm]

Has anyone thought about Adrian Bayley who murdered Jill Meagher in Melbourne? He was released from jail in 1993. At that stage his name was Adrian Edwards, but he changed his name by Deed Poll in an attempt to hide his past. All of his crimes have similar MOs to the CSK. Here is an article about his past.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sp...2c872aa9414ed16d94cecb8fc#load-story-comments


The tricky bit will be proving whether he was in WA in the 1996 97 period.

Also I am finding it very hard to match these two pics of Jane Rimmer's face. And, in fact, I am not sure that the girl in the video with mystery man is Jane either. Their body builds are totally different.

 

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Remember it's 1996. Cell phones in those days were very big. I had one that year that was carried in a bag. Smaller phones didn't come out till 1997/8.

Phantomm this is a screen grab from cia doco of police with phone, this was the part where they've found ciara . screen grabbed this a few days ago because of the phone references often made here on ws & I agree with your explanation
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Has anyone thought about Adrian Bayley who murdered Jill Meagher in Melbourne? He was released from jail in 1993. At that stage his name was Adrian Edwards, but he changed his name by Deed Poll in an attempt to hide his past. All of his crimes have similar MOs to the CSK. Here is an article about his past.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/sp...2c872aa9414ed16d94cecb8fc#load-story-comments


The tricky bit will be proving whether he was in WA in the 1996 97 period.

Also I am finding it very hard to match these two pics of Jane Rimmer's face. And, in fact, I am not sure that the girl in the video with mystery man is Jane either. Their body builds are totally different.


Rsbm . Hello Phantomm ,The photos we see of jane show a wider variety of looks to her appearance . don't doubt , her brother would have said so when he watched the cctv . I felt that janes pictures could be cleaned up somewhat so I edited 2 of her picture . I believe - sad but true , that the public take notice of missing women campaigns according to their look , Jill meagher is example.
I have considered bayley a lot due to his mo but evidence putting him arriving in perth has not been certified clearly so he faded off the radar...



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I've been told that the offender was in actual fact parked at the end of Reserve Street closest to Melville Street. As to how accurate that information is, I can't say. While I understand the victim didn't get a good look at him, the evidence left behind was quite prolific.

Pk , thank you for your info . if thats correct then this is a marker dot on the corner of those streets you said . Street view shows an area that looks like a good possibility it (blitz abduction) was there . This would change things that we discussed , it means the victim walks further , and takes longer , so that gives more time & distance for the perp to ambush/blitz , Also that carparking zone is close to houses so the perp more likely wasnt waiting there as long probably (as carpark inside rowe park ) just another hypothesis.

Melville st / reserve st corner this is the end of rowe park , from here the access to karrakatta cemetry is closer too

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Rowe park claremont . This is map 1 that we looked at yesterday with a yellow mark this was papertrails post , MO was discussed.

Bottom pic is marked by red at location Peter K has told us , its unconfirmed though but looks quite possible. Access is better to kk cemetary as well . Please discuss MO & anything related in regard to the rowe park abduction / kk Violent sexual assault


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[Bartholemeus]

Pk , thank you for your info . if thats correct then this is a marker dot on the corner of those streets you said . Street view shows an area that looks like a good possibility it (blitz abduction) was there . This would change things that we discussed , it means the victim walks further , and takes longer , so that gives more time & distance for the perp to ambush/blitz , Also that carparking zone is close to houses so the perp more likely wasnt waiting there as long probably (as carpark inside rowe park ) just another hypothesis.

Melville st / reserve st corner this is the end of rowe park , from here the access to karrakatta cemetry is closer too

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1. On one hand, a car parked in the car park in the middle of Rowe Park might be easily noticed whereas if it's in that little row of car spaces on Reserve Rd then it's not. But on the other hand, parking on Reserve Rd is a risk of pedestrian traffic and light sleepers. Typically that period of housing has bedrooms at the front.

2. As Reserve Rd is a cul de sac without access to Melville St, it's no closer to the cemetery

3. Most of those houses on Reserve Rd only have street parking. There's very few spaces available on any given night. He may have got lucky.

4. If he did park in Reserve Rd then it's unlikely she saw his vehicle. He probably bagged her as soon as he blitzed her and she probably would have been able to see the car spaces. Even if he blitzed her close to the Reserve Rd, there would have been multiple cars making it hard to determine which one was his. Of course he could have marched her to the spot with a weapon while walking behind her but this seems like risky behaviour.