Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #24

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sosocurious said:
Why would the sex crime squad be involved as part of Rosann2 do you think?
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In addition to Makara's response a few posts down from yours, I remember an MSM article stating that just because the sex crimes squad are involved, doesn't mean a sex crime has occurred or is even believed to have occurred, and the same was being said of the homicide squad's involvement; it's more their expertise in such large-scale operations, and the added manpower.
 
thylacine7 said:
In addition to Makara's response a few posts down from yours, I remember an MSM article stating that just because the sex crimes squad are involved, doesn't mean a sex crime has occurred or is even believed to have occurred, and the same was being said of the homicide squad's involvement; it's more their expertise in such large-scale operations, and the added manpower.
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Yes there was a lot of discussion and confusion as I recall, as to why Rosann (homicide) arrested BS. Given they were historical charges and not related to Williams disappearance.
 
I just wanted to add something that I was reading recently. Many times it has been included in our discussions that pedos have a certain predilection towards certain types of victims. Girls, boys, ages ....
I am not sure of an absolute truth to this train of thought, and I think some of it may be due to 'availability' of certain types of victims to any specific pedo.

In reading this about Brett Cowan, who roamed the earth freely for far too many years taking victims all along the way, there was no particular bias toward a type. It seems many vulnerable children of all 'types' fell prey to him over the years.

Sick and depraved: What the jury wasn't told about Brett Cowan
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/special-features/cowans-dark-past/story-fnl1b568-1226850148121
 
SouthAussie said:
I just wanted to add something that I was reading recently. Many times it has been included in our discussions that pedos have a certain predilection towards certain types of victims. Girls, boys, ages ....
I am not sure of an absolute truth to this train of thought, and I think some of it may be due to 'availability' of certain types of victims to any specific pedo.

In reading this about Brett Cowan, who roamed the earth freely for far too many years taking victims all along the way, there was no particular bias toward a type. It seems many vulnerable children of all 'types' fell prey to him over the years.

Sick and depraved: What the jury wasn't told about Brett Cowan
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/special-features/cowans-dark-past/story-fnl1b568-1226850148121
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It's horrific what this monster has done I hope and pray he never walks free again he is very dangerous and is absolutely a predator who will attack again.
 
so who was in williams grandmothers garden that day? was it a neighbour, or bs delivering a machine part ?
someone with a reason to be there?
his footprints didnt leave the front of the property
 
SouthAussie said:
I just wanted to add something that I was reading recently. Many times it has been included in our discussions that pedos have a certain predilection towards certain types of victims. Girls, boys, ages ....
I am not sure of an absolute truth to this train of thought, and I think some of it may be due to 'availability' of certain types of victims to any specific pedo.

In reading this about Brett Cowan, who roamed the earth freely for far too many years taking victims all along the way, there was no particular bias toward a type. It seems many vulnerable children of all 'types' fell prey to him over the years.

Sick and depraved: What the jury wasn't told about Brett Cowan
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/special-features/cowans-dark-past/story-fnl1b568-1226850148121
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This is correct, offenders can have all sorts of patterns of behaviour. There are a lot of criminology myths held over from the time they started profiling, about 3 decades ago. Which is to be expected, the way we characterise human behaviour changes as our culture changes and we have ever more infomation available and collected better than ever before. Stuff like offending within your race, the age at which behaviour escalates and so on haven't really stood up to scrutiny against time, there may be likelihoods but not certainties.
 
Makara said:

Sex Crimes Squad

Provides a specialist investigative service across NSW assisting the Joint Investigation Response Squad and Local Area Commands in complex serious crimes against children. This squad includes the Child Exploitation Internet Unit that investigates child abuse and exploitation of children that is facilitated through the use of the internet, related computer and telecommunication devices. The squad maintains the Child Protection Registry, established to monitor and maintain the NSW Police Child Protection Register as per the Child Protection (Offenders Registration) Act 2000.

Joint Investigation Response Squad

Specialist Police who are responsible for the investigation of serious crime against children and young people in correlation with the JIRT criteria. The squad provides specialist assistance to Local Area Commands. It also provides 23 JIRT teams where Police work in collaboration with Community Services and NSW Health in response to referrals from the Joint Investigation Response Team Referral Unit.
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I understand the collaboration.

What is the process for involving JIRTs?

Referrals to JIRT can only be made through Community Services Helpline or a Community Services Centre (CSC).

Joint investigation occurs when a Community Services Child Protection Caseworker (CPC) and Police officer investigate a report of child abuse that meets the JIRT criteria – mostly when there is a possibility the abuse constitutes a criminal offence.
The process includes completing a risk assessment and determining the need for Children’s Court action and/or criminal charges.

I was more wondering do you think of the 690 poi that the Rosann2 are checking out across all of NSW, to clear them or escalate them up the list.
Will result in further links in the expanding web to known poi's.

The thing that I struggle to understand is what actually defines a pedo ring ..... 2 people , 5 or dozens...

http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/for...n-services/joint-investigation-response-teams
 
I just watched the ACA interview with NC and her friend KL. Hbayne I agree that NC is devastated. In face she's the only one on the bio side I've seen emotional about William's disappearance. Somehow I can't see her involved, unless it as unwittingly... KL on the other hand...she knows something. Her demeanour was just off, plus all her "connections", two world collided indeed.

I really feel GJ et al have a pretty good idea what has happened. I'm just hoping ferociously William is found alive.
 
One possible scenario that has been suggested is that WT might have gone to somewhere near the roadside to look out for his father returning.
Would a child of 3 doing this be more probable to go to A, or B, or C ?
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(You can get higher resolution at that site, white is lot boundary, I added yellow lines originating at area WT was last seen).
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/families-...-unsolved-homicide-cases-20160912-gredjj.html

"It's like saying, 'This person is worth more than this person', and that is how it appears to people and to us. In our case Matthew's life isn't worth as much as the person that got $250,000."

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Underlying this debate is the argument that rewards don't work.
According to the most recent figures available, no rewards or applications were made in either 2015 or 2014.
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I would argue this is a bit different because William was legally in the custody of the State of NSW, with his foster parents essentially "employed" by the State to care for WT and his sister, so them putting up a large reward is 100% appropriate and probably should have been done long ago, (JMO).
 
The closest I have heard GJ allude to BS lately is when he stated that they have been "overt" and "covert" in targeting the POIs. BS is definitely in the "overt" category. Makes me wonder what the strategy was there. All I can think is that it's to watch the reactions of others involved.
 
sosocurious said:
I understand the collaboration.

What is the process for involving JIRTs?

Referrals to JIRT can only be made through Community Services Helpline or a Community Services Centre (CSC).

Joint investigation occurs when a Community Services Child Protection Caseworker (CPC) and Police officer investigate a report of child abuse that meets the JIRT criteria – mostly when there is a possibility the abuse constitutes a criminal offence.
The process includes completing a risk assessment and determining the need for Children’s Court action and/or criminal charges.

I was more wondering do you think of the 690 poi that the Rosann2 are checking out across all of NSW, to clear them or escalate them up the list.
Will result in further links in the expanding web to known poi's.

The thing that I struggle to understand is what actually defines a pedo ring ..... 2 people , 5 or dozens...

http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/for...n-services/joint-investigation-response-teams
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BBM: That's a possibility Soso. IMO the 690 POI's would fall into many categories, not just paedophiles.

The definition of a paedophile ring is a group of people who take part in illegal sexual activity involving children.
 
Angeline said:
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...d/news-story/4239f71c950a75f1305457c9e62ca43a

A new article mostly rehashing all the recent news.

GJ states that the reward is off the table if police come to you (not the other way round.)

Will protect identity and safety.

These rewards are usually offered for information leading to a conviction but in this instance they have included recovery of William.
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Thanks for posting these are the key points

SUSPECTS in the abduction of William Tyrrell are being secretly watched away from the public glare of the country’s most baffling missing persons case.

The man leading the hunt for little William, Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin, said there had been a lot of activity play out in public — but there was much more happening behind the scenes.

“We’re doing a lot of things that don’t hit the public’s attention and go just as hard on people. As I sit here, we’re doing covert investigative strategies on a number of people,” DEt Insp Jubelin told Tracy Grimshaw on A Current Affair.

There are almost 700 people in the sights of investigators. Some are of more interest than others, partly due to the way they had come to police attention.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...d/news-story/4239f71c950a75f1305457c9e62ca43a

I'm very concerned we are dealing with a massive child *advertiser censored*/paedophile ring or something like it. I can't think of other motives that would involve this many individuals and require covert operations. I hope and pray my concerns are unfounded.
 
Eloise said:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/families-...-unsolved-homicide-cases-20160912-gredjj.html



I would argue this is a bit different because William was legally in the custody of the State of NSW, with his foster parents essentially "employed" by the State to care for WT and his sister, so them putting up a large reward is 100% appropriate and probably should have been done long ago, (JMO).
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It seems to be an issue in NSW and perhaps elsewhere - this choosing who gets a bigger reward and who doesn't.
A couple of states already have uniformity in rewards, where all unsolved murder cases have a $1M reward attached. Not sure at what point the cases become 'unsolved' or other details, but the uniformity is in existence elsewhere.

"Victorian police have posted $1 million rewards from 2014 for every unsolved homicide case, with similar value on offer in South Australia."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stion-William-Tyrrell-s-1-million-reward.html
 
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