GUILTY AZ - Larry Ladwig for kidnapping, sex assault of 5yo girl, Phoenix, 2009

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mysteriew said:
So glad she was recovered quickly and safely. Her family did get a great Christmas gift this year!

But as to the bolded above, I so hate it when LE and media print that when a child is recovered! It minimizes what happened and makes it sound like the kid was happy, smiling. She may be alive and safe, she may be alive and physically not injured, but alive and well just doesn't describe it. If she wasn't abused, she would most likely be terrified, and emotionally shocked, if she was abused it would be worse. Definatedly not "well."
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I've actually heard some talking head say that the child was returned "unharmed." Boggles the mind.
 
Filly said:
Excellent post, Mys. Excellent.

Poor kid gets abducted and the media makes it sound like she just got driven around by some freak who bought her an ice cream cone.

This poor, gorgeous child will forever even with good therapy have this hang over her. As one person said to me when I finally told as an adult about the person who attacked me "Well, at least he didn't murder you. I mean he could have easily drowned you in that lake". Then when the old pervert finally died the same person called me saying "He's dead now. It's all over." Pfffffffffffftttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was like "Welll I'm not dead, and I'm still dealing with it as is my family ya stupid beotch".

Of course it is wonderful this baby doll was found so quickly, and alive. I mean that's wonderful news, but bet your bottom dollar it will take a long time for this child to deal with the work of a pervert.
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Abuse survivors me being one, go through a LIFETIME of healing and learning to deal with the flashbacks, trauma and constant terror on a daily basis. Just because the abuser dies does NOT mean we are done with the healing or coping. it will be with us life long. And so many do not understand this. They all say "Get over it" That is the most damaging thing you can say to a survivor. There is NO getting over it, its constantly trying to live with it and adapt to the consequences that it has caused you on a daily basis. From flashbacks, body memories, to anxiety, to depression. Its a life long condition that so many survivors live with, that they really should NOT have to!
 
Don't you think saying "returned unharmed" is akin to saying that a soldier has returned from a war zone "unharmed" or that a person was successfully rescued from a car floating down the river in a storm was "unharmed". I even take issue with the physically unharmed as some part of that baby's body was very seriously harmed. Ask her or ask her Aunt. There's a tender physical part of her which is harmed and then there's her innocence, trust, and spirit.

She was returned....but harmed.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/harm

harm [hɑːm]

noun
1. physical or mental injury or damage
2. moral evil or wrongdoing

verb
(tr) to injure physically, morally, or mentally

[Old English hearm; related to Old Norse harmr grief, Old High German harm injury, Old Slavonic sramǔ disgrace]

Noun harm - any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.

Verb harm - the occurrence of a change for the worse
 
I don't think there is any real benefit to the victim for the press to report that she was recovered, molested and traumatized, but not needing medical intervention.

Unharmed in this context only means she did not need medical intervention. Everyone reading the article knows he didn't take her for a joy ride. The charges against him confirm she has been molested. She has to return to her friends, her school, her neighborhood... I just don't see the benefit of them reporting the degree of molestation she endured in the we found her article.

For people to understand those scars last forever and take years of work to make them bearable is not up to the police. That has only become knowledge based on the stories shared by victims who CHOSE to share the details of their abuse and their healing.

moo
 
I understand where you are coming from, Impatientredhead, I really do. But my children didn't get anonymity--the rapist did (as he was still a minor). My children were filmed entering their school, for heaven's sake. The media described them in such detail that they could be from only one family. We decided to deal with it by teaching them that they had done nothing wrong and they needed to hold their heads up high. We trained them in social stories, how to deal with inappropriate questions, and how to set boundaries on their privacy. This is one place where Children's Advocacy Centers really shine. They do a Trauma Assessment and advise families on the best mode of treatment.

I agree that the article does not need to go into minute detail as to what forms of sexual abuse a child suffered, although, anyone reading most articles can link to documents. However, I really don't see how this is different than releasing the info that the infant in Georgia had 22 broken bones. If we're going to de-stigmatize the victim's role in sexual abuse, we must start now!! With the current system, there's a disconnect with the crime and the victim and the final outcome for the criminal. People don't connect the dots. They forget the stories. Then we end up with citizens voting for soft-on-crime laws. I happen to believe that it's important to make these crimes more personal, to force people to remember the victims and their stories. Until we get to the point that victims of rape carry no more shame than the victims of assaults and drunk drivers, we've got work to do. Where better to start than the children?

The Amber Alert is a double edged sword. It is swift and it helps locate kids. However, children are named in the Alerts. I applaud the press in attempting to remove names once a child is found. The rest is up to the parents, guardians, and therapists. It is their job to help the victim become a survivor and to not accept shame...either for a rape or for broken bones. JMO
 
impatientredhead said:
I don't think there is any real benefit to the victim for the press to report that she was recovered, molested and traumatized, but not needing medical intervention.

Unharmed in this context only means she did not need medical intervention. Everyone reading the article knows he didn't take her for a joy ride. The charges against him confirm she has been molested. She has to return to her friends, her school, her neighborhood... I just don't see the benefit of them reporting the degree of molestation she endured in the we found her article.

For people to understand those scars last forever and take years of work to make them bearable is not up to the police. That has only become knowledge based on the stories shared by victims who CHOSE to share the details of their abuse and their healing.

moo
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I am not interested in confirmation that she had been molested. But "unharmed" means she suffered no harm, and I fail to see how it fits with this case. Or saying "she is doing just fine." I think it minimizes the situation, and makes it seem like the guy took her for a ride to give her milk and cookies.
 
mysterygirl said:
I swear...........the posters who were listening to the scanners and posting as the police were chasing him made for the most exciting thread ever!

What a great ending.
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It WAS a WILD ride! Something I will never forget!
 
Carolina Girl--This is new for me. Is there any way to listen to a recording of the scanner during the rescue? Thank you!!
 
Oh, Missizzy, I don't think any of us were really especting them to ride by and recognise the guy, and see the girl in the car. I doubt that anyone was recording the scanner, but I will go back to the other thread and ask if they did, or if that is possible. We first thought they were chasing a guy that stole some beer, and then the policeman asked for confirmation of the vehicle in the kidnapping, and we heard Ford Ranger, and we realized who they were chasing. It was like nothing I have ever been a part of. We were all shaking and crying.

On another note, the reports of unharmed and fine, are snipped by media, the spokesperson said in the interview she would be dealing with this for a long time, so the cops did care.

They did refuse Fire and rescue and said she was fine at the scene, but they knew they were taking her to the hospital. Bless her, she had been through enough, they did not need to put her in the back of an ambulance. IMO.
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...12-25_amber_alert_issued_as_man_abducts_.html

"......police chased down the suspect's pickup and found her "alive and well" inside, officials said."

It's the disparity of the report of the child's condition and the actual charges which bothers me. I just cannot think of another crime where this occurs. What's wrong with saying something as simple as "alive and as well as can be expected under the circumstances" or "alive and in the care of medical professionals and family"?

Not one of us can be so naive to not know exactly how that child looked when LE rescued her. She was obviously terrified, traumatized, in shock....not "well" by any stretch of the imagination. I consider children found "alive and well" to be those who have wondered off for a few hours and gotten lost but been found in reasonably good condition. This writer minimizes this child's experience. We're asked to believe that she was just sitting there with her lovely hair not mussed, clothing all in order, munching on some chips, listening to the radio, and very intrigued by the police lights. I'm sorry but it bothers me.

Once again, it plays into the stigmatization of the victim's role in the crime. Let's "put on a pretty face" and pretend that things aren't really "that bad"....after all he didn't kill her or maim her. I don't mean to be argumentative but I feel quite strongly about this.

I wanted to say, Filly, that you are a strong one. (((hugs)))
 
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/12/26/20091226abductionfolo1227.html

'Dangerous predator' has criminal past, police say

"......Ladwig was reported to be casing the apartment complex as early as last Monday.

"It seems like he was staking out and stalking," Hill said.

".....It's unclear where Ladwig is from. Hill said investigators did not find an address connected to him as of Saturday afternoon.

Ladwig is on parole from California and also has a criminal record in Arizona, Hill said. Ladwig was released on parole from the Arizona Department of Corrections in July after serving a two-year sentence for a drug violation. Court records show he has a history of possession of dangerous drugs since at least 2000."
 
http://courts.state.ar.us/opinions/1997a/970428/cr961432.txt

"Larry Ladwig was charged with capital murder in connection
with the death of Rakaan Ellsworth, the fifteen-month-old son of
Mr. Ladwig's wife, Stephanie Ellsworth. He was convicted of first-
degree murder as that crime is described in Ark. Code Ann.  5-10-
102(a)(3) (Repl. 1993), and sentenced to imprisonment for forty
years."


Can there be two Larry Ladwigs? The abductor from yesterday would have been approximately 31 years old. The Larry Ladwig in this appeal was sentenced to 40 years for capital murder. I haven't seen this issue in any of the news articles. I've only seen some past drug charges. Same guy or not?

Can someone else look at this and let me know if it's pertinent?
 
The only other document I could find on this case:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scrip...r&vol=supreme/2000a/20000217/cr98-350&invol=2

I'm confused and not sure that this is the same man as there is a Larry Ladwig imprisoned in Arkansas. He's listed as 42 so couldn't be the abductor's father. Could it be a cousin? This just doesn't strike me as a common name.


Offender ID: 108719
Offender Name: LARRY LADWIG
Date of Birth: 06/05/1967
Age: 42
Custody Status: In Custody
Location of Offender: Wrightsville Unit
Race: White
Gender: Male
 
Missizzy said:
I understand where you are coming from, Impatientredhead, I really do. But my children didn't get anonymity--the rapist did (as he was still a minor). My children were filmed entering their school, for heaven's sake. The media described them in such detail that they could be from only one family. We decided to deal with it by teaching them that they had done nothing wrong and they needed to hold their heads up high. We trained them in social stories, how to deal with inappropriate questions, and how to set boundaries on their privacy. This is one place where Children's Advocacy Centers really shine. They do a Trauma Assessment and advise families on the best mode of treatment.

I agree that the article does not need to go into minute detail as to what forms of sexual abuse a child suffered, although, anyone reading most articles can link to documents. However, I really don't see how this is different than releasing the info that the infant in Georgia had 22 broken bones. If we're going to de-stigmatize the victim's role in sexual abuse, we must start now!! With the current system, there's a disconnect with the crime and the victim and the final outcome for the criminal. People don't connect the dots. They forget the stories. Then we end up with citizens voting for soft-on-crime laws. I happen to believe that it's important to make these crimes more personal, to force people to remember the victims and their stories. Until we get to the point that victims of rape carry no more shame than the victims of assaults and drunk drivers, we've got work to do. Where better to start than the children?

The Amber Alert is a double edged sword. It is swift and it helps locate kids. However, children are named in the Alerts. I applaud the press in attempting to remove names once a child is found. The rest is up to the parents, guardians, and therapists. It is their job to help the victim become a survivor and to not accept shame...either for a rape or for broken bones. JMO
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I agree. I for one would be just as upset if the media or LE said "this child was raped or molested" as I am that they are saying she was "well". Even if she wasn't raped or molested, I am sure that she was scared, probably terrorized. But alive and well makes it sound like all kids should be putting this on their Christmas list.

I would say "alive and now safe" would be a pretty safe thing to say. It doesn't mention what happened to her. But it does show the seriousness of the crime.

I can just see a molester using this type of thing to justify his crimes. That when they recover the kids LE even says they are alive and well. So why arrest the him for it, when they admit the kid was well? Esp. since most molester's will tell you that they don't harm the kids. IOW they don't hit them, they just rape them. But the kids are still "well."
 
I like that, Mysteriew--"alive and now safe" or "alive and now safe and receiving treatment".

I think Filly spoke very eloquently to this issue, how the victim feels about the minimization of the crime...."well, at least he didn't...." I'd rage at that too.
 
It looks like Mr. Ladwig's got a few problems:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/12/28/20091228phxladwig1228-ON.html

"Larry Jon Ladwig, 45, was on parole after his July release from the Arizona Department of Corrections after serving a two-year sentence on a 2007 drug conviction. He had missed at least one meeting with his parole officer, according to authorities. His supervision was set to end in February.

Three years earlier, a resident alerted police to Ladwig's vehicle parked behind a strip mall on West Bell Road. He was found passed out with meth and syringes on the dashboard. He was covered in pornographic magazines, "wearing women's panties and a woman's halter top," police wrote in court records.

Police said Ladwig also had prior convictions in California. Court records suggested he had a history of burglary, theft and other crimes."



FWIW, I don't think this Larry Ladwig can be same man I posted about above. I'm going to leave the post on for a bit, though, to see if we can find a link. That just seems to be a pretty unique name to me. I'm really wondering if these two monsters aren't cousins. It's quite common for cousins to have the same name and these two guys are very close in age. Unless the meth has recently increased his libido and lowered his inhibitions, I'm finding it tough to believe that he has not molested other children.
 
December 30, 2009

Maricopa County prosecutors say the criminal complaint filed Tuesday charges 45-year-old Larry Jon Ladwig with kidnapping, child abuse and molestation, aggravated assault, drug possession and unlawful flight from a law enforcement vehicle. It remained unclear Wednesday whether Ladwig has a lawyer. <snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581542,00.html
 
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