Hi, I'm new, but have been reading and lurking for years....I'll take a break for a while, come back, and see or hear new things, and get different perspectives. I am no expert, and I have no final decision made up one way or the other as to who committed this crime. I try to be open-minded each time I get back on and see what the evidence and discussions have to tell me with fresh eyes.... I don't want to have my mind made up so that I only see what I want in the evidence, etc. So I have wavered on the fence time after time, gone back and forth with new information that is found. ....I also am not as read up as most people and invested in this case as most who have been on here for years, so didn't want to post anything out of ignorance, and be told - go read up first...so I've waited so many times and wondered all these years what might make me finally sign up and post. So, with that, I finally have to say....
How is this not a
smoking gun?:
JOHN RAMSEY: That looked wrong. That suitcase did not belong there.
PATSY RAMSEY: It was out of place.
JOHN RAMSEY: It was out of place.
BARBARA WALTERS: So you thought perhaps..
JOHN RAMSEY: It was...
BARBARA WALTERS: ...
the kidnapper had gone through that window.
JOHN RAMSEY:
I...that was my first impression, yes.
BARBARA WALTERS 20/20 MAR 15/00
COURIC: Detective Linda Arndt was assigned to the Ramsey home during those long hours. Sometime that morning, John Ramsey headed for the basement. Why did you go there?
Mr. RAMSEY:
We had a basement window that was under a--a grate, a removable grate that I had used the past summer to get into the house when I'd lost my keys. I--I wanted to check that window. I went down to that room. The window was open. It was broken. I went back upstairs and reported that to Detective Arndt.
COURIC: You did tell her about the...
Mr. RAMSEY: Yes.
COURIC: ...open window?
Mr. RAMSEY: I did.
COURIC: And what did she say?
Mr. RAMSEY:
I don't recall that she said anything.
Today Show, March 20, 2000
KING: In the book, you write about the suitcase and the open basement window, but the police say you never told them about it.
J. RAMSEY: That's false.
P. RAMSEY: False.
J. RAMSEY: I told Linda Arndt that I found the window open and I found a suitcase under the window.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/27/lkl.00.html
"Each window had four panes, and Fleet White, having been down there earlier, pointed out the baseball-sized hole in the upper left pane of the middle window. '
Damn it, I had to break that,' John Ramsey said, adding that it happened the previous summer when he kicked in the window to get into the house after locking himself out. Should have fixed it then, he noted, taping his forehead. The window was closed but unlatched."
JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, page 27
"Rick French....was reportedly still tortured by his failure to open the wine cellar door when he searched the house in those first few minutes"
Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, Lawrence Schiller, page 660
Larry King: A window. Was that window open when they investigated it?
Lou Smit: Yes. When John Ramsey had first seen the window...
Larry King: There we see a window. That's the window, right?
Lou Smit: That's the window. Now, again, that picture that you see is the first photograph taken of that window after the crime scene technicians got back into the house. N
ow, later on, I believe that it was noted that this window may have been opened even by John Ramsey and Fleet White. But what that window did show us, when we first seen it, was that entry could have been made there.
May 28, 2001 Larry King Live Interview with Lou Smit
Lou Smit:
"So you think that the chair would block the door and nobody would have gotten in there without moving it?"
John Ramsey: “Correct.”
Lou Smit: "In other words, let's say that the intruder goes into the train room, gets out, let's say, that window?”
John Ramsey: “Uh huh.
Lou Smit: "How in effect would he get that chair to block that door, if that is the case, is what I'm saying?"
John Ramsey: "I don't know... I go down, I say, "Ooh, that door is blocked." I move the chair and went in the room."
Lou Smit: So you couldn’t have gotten in without moving the chair?”
John Ramsey: "Correct... I had to move the chair."
Lou Smit: "The thing I'm trying to figure out in my mind then is, if an intruder went through the door, he'd almost have to pull the chair behind him... because that would have been his exit... so that's not very logical as far as......"
John Ramsey: "I think it is. I mean if this person is that bizarrely clever to have not left any good evidence, but left all these little funny clues around, they... are clever enough to pull the chair back when they left."
John Ramsey, 1998 Interview
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Okay. Seriously.
JR states that he went to that basement room sometime that morning, before being told to check the house by Linda Arndt, because he wanted to "
check THAT window" that
he had broken into previously when he had lost his keys. He says twice above that he broke that window to get in. Then he says, "The window was open. It was broken. I went back upstairs and reported that to Detective Arndt".
Now, it's already been noted and commented on before that he has changed his story on whether he reported it to her or not. But if he is the one who broke it anyway, what did he report to her about it, if he, in fact, did that? That he found the window more broken, but he is the one who broke it anyway? ...And he does say that he was checking to see if it "hadn't been broken again". So had it? If it was already broken, why would it be broken again? And why would it be just that window? Why not any of the windows? Maybe the kidnapper thought it would just be easiest to get in through the one window that was already a little broken? If so, did the window look 'broken again'? Were JR's concerns/suspicions confirmed? If JR had told Det. Arndt that it was open and broken, and entrance/exit by the kidnapper might have been gained that way, then it would have been noted and checked. After all, he said he went down there specifically for that reason, knowing that was a compromised possible entrance. Also, this time he matter-of-factly states that he reported it to her, but he says that he does not recall that she said anything about it. If he went down there for that reason, and found it to be more disturbed and out of place, including the suitcase, etc., then he would remember reporting it to her, would have recalled what she said, and with that important info, she, or someone else from LE would have gone down there to check it out. Especially since he says:
JR: It was
dramatically out of the ordinary, but, that is, I thought about it.
So, ok?......
And I can't even fathom the next bit of ridiculosity (that's what it is, because there is no other word).
Lou Smit asks JR about the chair blocking the door and no one being able to enter that room without having to move/remove it. JR agrees that it had to be moved. Okay let's stop right there for a moment.
JOHN RAMSEY: I came down the stairs. I went in this room here.
This door was kind of blocked.
We had a bunch of junk down here and there was a chair that was in front of the door. Some old
things. I moved the chair, went into this room, went back in here. This window was open, maybe that far.
If he's going down there to see if the kidnapper came IN through that window, does he not pause at first sight of the door being totally blocked by the chair? If it were me, I'd go, well he probably didn't come in this way then, seeing as this door is/has been blocked. Why? Because if the kidnapper HAD come IN through that window, then the chair had to NOT be blocking that door in the first place, no? So you would then have to ask yourself why the chair is NOW blocking the door.
In order to proceed through these questions logically you will see that one does not fit with the other, or doesn't make sense if the other is true....
So if the kidnapper didn't come IN that way, but possibly LEFT that way, why is the chair blocking the door?
Lou Smit:
"The thing I'm trying to figure out in my mind then is, if an intruder went through the door, he'd almost have to pull the chair behind him... because that would have been his exit... so that's not very logical as far as......"
John Ramsey: "I think it is. I mean if this person is that bizarrely clever to have not left any good evidence, but left all these little funny clues around, they... are clever enough to pull the chair back when they left."
The statement above by JR is the most absurd thing I have ever read. :doh: Bizarrely clever? Not.
Okay, why would the kidnapper do this? If he came in that way, the door was not blocked by the chair. So if he is now exiting that way, why would he now block the door with a chair that was an awkward and difficult thing to do in the first place? Do you not want someone to think you came in that way? What do you care, esp. if the window was broken and open anyway? If you came in that way, the door was not blocked by that chair before, so why would you put it there now? And you could NOT close the door all the way anyway because your arm would be in the way while you are holding that chair to block the door. There has to be some space between the chair and you getting your arm out to close the door and then go.
So if the chair WAS there the whole time, and the kidnapper did NOT come in that way, then why would he LEAVE that way? Why would he not leave the way he came in? And if he thought he needed another exit than the way he came in, why/how would he know that there was a viable exit beyond a door blocked by a chair in a room full of junk that didn't have much entrance/exit traffic? How would he know to go out that way? And if he did, why didn't he enter that way then? He couldn't have, if the chair was blocking the door.
The chair was either:
1) Blocking that room for some time, many a month maybe, with all the junk down there, until JR first moved it to go in there and 'check that window' that morning...in which you would surmise though that the killer could NOT have entered that way then, at least.
2) JR or someone else put the chair there at some point during the crime to block that room for some reason, and is now lying about the chair being put there by an intruder.
3) Intruder put the chair there.
So why did the kidnapper/killer block the door? He didn't.
