Brooke Bennett, 12 years old Randolph VT #14

[CarpeDiem]

I thought one of the emails from one of the fictitious persons to AR stated that Denise was accepting calls from the real Dad. I thought that it was strange that it said that she was 'accepting.' That made me wonder if he was in jail. Don't you make collect calls from jail?

Actually, I think that whole thing was a lie used to manipulate AR. I doubt there really was contact between Denise and the real Dad.

 

[close_enough]

I think RG thought he covered the computer trail and the *advertiser censored* trail he was done..home free..and that fool MJ also thought the same. They thought they had all their bases covered..even with the planting of evidence.

If they didn't think that they wouldn't have been calling the police for updates, planting evidence, finding the evidence they planted..etc...It was MJ that found the tennis shoe and then the LEO came out and found the rest. Just how stupid were these guys?

very stupid.....in this day & time, you don't plan a murder on a computer, or cell phone....heck, they need to get walkie talkies, or those throw-away phones....

 

[nanandjim]

Man, there is a resemblance to that drawing. Why can't we have his current picture?!

Click on details at that link for a bigger pic. It says he's a violent offender. Why is he out? Raped a minor? This joke (whoever he is) should be locked up! :behindbar:behindbar

I wonder if it is a relative of Ray Gagnon. This guy is 46 years old. He might be in jail now. That photo was taken in March 2008, right?

 

[close_enough]

Was there ever really a sam? I thought those were fictitious names MJ dreamed up.

i'm thinking there never was a Sam, myself....just a name used to get Brooke interested in a "party"....jmo

 

[DianeB]

LE would have records of the incoming call to their phones and would have immediately tipped them off if Brooke had called from a public phone.

But if Brooke had called AR's cell from a public phone within an hour of being dropped off, would it necessarily have raised a flag?

 

[angelwngs]

Wonder why Juvie 2 still remains a complete mystery?
The teens around the area, must know who he is, as well as their parents.

:waitasec:

I wonder if Brooke knew Juvie2. If not, could he have been part of the "cute guy who wants to meet you, Brooke"? Could the hanky with his DNA have been used to try to blackmail him into picking Brooke up after the drop off at the store? When Juvie2 didn't agree to help or didn't show, MJ then had to go and pick Brooke up and plan B went into effect using Juvie 2's DNA to frame him for the 'abduction'.

I wonder if MJ as AR ever emailed or used cell phone to contact Juvie 2...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

yep, it could have been where AR & RG came back & told her they got a call that "Sam" was running late & would meet them at the house.....gosh, i guess they could have used anything to get her back into the car......

soooooo, the little trip to the store was FOR LE i guess....to show that him & Brooke really did go separate ways once they left the store....hmmm

Oh, definitely! That was only a show for the cameras to verify MJ's account he dropped her off. All part of the plan.

That scenario would make sense since the fake "Sam" had been supposedly texting AR about Brooke to begin with. They could have told her something to that effect.

 

[close_enough]

There ya go - the TN SO named Gagnon

thanks so much jaded!....wow, big & up close, it certainly does look VERY much like the drawing of RG...the hair line, the glasses...hmmmmm, he's listed in Camden, TN...that's a bit west of Nashville

 

[SeriouslySearching]

But if Brooke had called AR's cell from a public phone within an hour of being dropped off, would it necessarily have raised a flag?

Immediately. Since they were the last persons to be seen with Brooke, a phone call later from Brooke would tell LE that more communication meant their cover story wouldn't hold water. This would put them on the radar because LE would have suspected they did go back to get her.

 

[DianeB]

Good point.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

thanks so much jaded!....wow, big & up close, it certainly does look VERY much like the drawing of RG...the hair line, the glasses...hmmmmm, he's listed in Camden, TN...that's a bit west of Nashville

I can't wait to compare the photo of Ray to him.

 

[TisHerself]

The FBI is going to hold back lots... that way everyone is going to be shocked when they walk in the door with warrants

You know I am wondering if the FBI since they were on this so quick, if they had not already, (before Brooke's death) been investigating a child *advertiser censored* /sex club. The investigation may have included RG and Jacques names. Just a thought.

 

[Adalena935]

I wonder if both AR and her boyfriend were present. It seems to me that AR is more involved than she is admitting at this point. I'm not sure about the boyfriend. I wonder if he is a unknowing sap or a willing participant in the sex schemes and photos.

Hope you don't mind me snipping your post so you'll know what I'm replying to. Also it saves bandwidth.

By federal law anyone under age 18 is a child. they were named as JUVENILE victims in the affidavits. By law it is irrelevant. If they're not adults by law then by law they can't be consenting. Personally I think they were both lied to by these adults and that in itself is a crime to lie to children (under 18) for sex purposes. That's how the feds got them. they name the violations of law by code numbers in the affidavits. Lots of law violatins against these children named as JUVENILE 1 and JUVENILE 2 in the affidavits. The only way they're "involved" by law in those affidavits is as child victims.


http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/...guide_porn.html

It is irrelevant that the age of consent for sexual activity in a given state might be lower than 18.

 

[evelyn24]

The only time I have ever mentioned that someone was "book smart", I was really saying that they were stupid when it came to common sense or every day matters. So it may not have been a compliment.

Right.lol
It's like telling someone overweight, "You have a pretty face."

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You know I am wondering if the FBI since they were on this so quick, if they had not already, (before Brooke's death) been investigating a child *advertiser censored* /sex club. The investigation may have included RG and Jacques names. Just a thought.

I have my doubts about that since they have had to rely on information collected since Brooke went missing mostly stemming from AR's accounts.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Right.lol
It's like telling someone overweight, "You have a pretty face."

Or telling a blind date, "But she is really nice!".

 

[MCDRAW]

I wonder if Brooke knew Juvie2. If not, could he have been part of the "cute guy who wants to meet you, Brooke"? Could the hanky with his DNA have been used to try to blackmail him into picking Brooke up after the drop off at the store? When Juvie2 didn't agree to help or didn't show, MJ then had to go and pick Brooke up and plan B went into effect using Juvie 2's DNA to frame him for the 'abduction'.

I wonder if MJ as AR ever emailed or used cell phone to contact Juvie 2...

I don't believe Brooke would buy that A.R. was going to set her up with A.R.'s boyfriend. I believe "Sam" is either a made up person or someone that Brooke liked from School. I would be surprised with A.R. didn't use a cell phone to contact Juvenile 2 at some point in their relationship.

 

[Adalena935]

You know I am wondering if the FBI since they were on this so quick, if they had not already, (before Brooke's death) been investigating a child *advertiser censored* /sex club. The investigation may have included RG and Jacques names. Just a thought.

Who knows, but MJ was no problem to dredge up. Seconds I'm sure since he was an ex felon and thus in their criminal data base. FBI Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force works all the time. But I doubt they were tracking him prior to Brooks disappearance. If they had been they most likely could've prevented her death. MJ being in company of children would have alerted them he was up to no good; given his criminal history.

the affidavits say they were alerted to Brooke being reported missing and that's when the investigation began and I believe them. paraphrase

 

[Liz]

I think that they may have drugged her. Brooke and AR could have watched television until it took effect. AR said something about being drugged (one time) and that she didn't recognize one of the men with which she had sex because of it. So, we know that she was drugged at one point.

I also think that they drugged Brooke because, maybe her stepfather (former) was planning on participating and he didn't want Brooke to recognize him.

I don't think she was drugged, nan. I only wish she was. But like others here, I believe the sadistic sexual psychopath, that MJ is, wanted her to endure every bit of pain, as intensely as he could administer.

Also as to believing A.R. about saying she was drugged that one time --- I kind of thought from the beginning that was a cover story, in order to keep some other perp from being exposed. I'm not sure we can take anything she says as gospel.

I don't understand the setup either. Brooke and MJ walk into CF. Brooke stands at the cash register (arms crossed) while MJ buys coffee. Why did she do this? If she were meeting someone, why didn't she just stay outside? Did MJ ask her to wait with him until he bought the coffee? It didn't even look like they said goodbye to one another when they exited the place. It looked choreographed with one going one way; and the other going the other way.

I personally don't buy into her body language being as stand-offish as many seem to be reading into it. I think it was standard teen body language, when a parent or elder (like uncle creepy) accompanies them into the store to ask the clerk if it's okay if the kid (who probably doesn't think of themselves as a child - 13th birthday upcoming) uses their phone IF their ride doesn't show up. Brooke probably was embarrassed that Unk was even asking that, as she probably was expecting "Sam" to show; plus probably thought she could ask to use the phone herself, if the ride didn't show. Maybe even embarrassed she didn't have her own cell phone with her.

The guy on Fox News this morning said that the coroner knows the cause of death and is just not saying what it is for some reason. That's also confusing me. Why would they not state how she died. The guy said that there may be more arrests. Maybe, that's why it's not being announced. If others were present, LE may be interrogating suspects and holding back COD to get "true" confessions. That's the only reason that I can think of to withhold COD.

I wonder if both AR and her boyfriend were present. It seems to me that AR is more involved than she is admitting at this point. I'm not sure about the boyfriend. I wonder if he is a unknowing sap or a willing participant in the sex schemes and photos.

Surely, the mothers (Denise and Cassandra) were not there. I have no idea why Denise would show her face at MJ's hearing. Maybe, she wanted to make sure that he didn't get bail. Maybe, she just wanted to show her face to him. Surely, she was not there to support him.

I think we'll just have to stay tuned. I feel pretty sure there are going to be more arrests. As to whom, who knows.

You do know Denise was there, don't you? It occured to me that possibly Denise wanted to attend to make sure MJ didn't incriminate her in any way. Or possibly to make sure he stays locked up - to be there to plead with the judge. I'm glad she showed because my curiousity was getting the best of me.

 

[close_enough]

I think that they may have drugged her. Brooke and AR could have watched television until it took effect. AR said something about being drugged (one time) and that she didn't recognize one of the men with which she had sex because of it. So, we know that she was drugged at one point.

I also think that they drugged Brooke because, maybe her stepfather (former) was planning on participating and he didn't want Brooke to recognize him.

I don't understand the setup either. Brooke and MJ walk into CF. Brooke stands at the cash register (arms crossed) while MJ buys coffee. Why did she do this? If she were meeting someone, why didn't she just stay outside? Did MJ ask her to wait with him until he bought the coffee? It didn't even look like they said goodbye to one another when they exited the place. It looked choreographed with one going one way; and the other going the other way.

The guy on Fox News this morning said that the coroner knows the cause of death and is just not saying what it is for some reason. That's also confusing me. Why would they not state how she died. The guy said that there may be more arrests. Maybe, that's why it's not being announced. If others were present, LE may be interrogating suspects and holding back COD to get "true" confessions. That's the only reason that I can think of to withhold COD.

I wonder if both AR and her boyfriend were present. It seems to me that AR is more involved than she is admitting at this point. I'm not sure about the boyfriend. I wonder if he is a unknowing sap or a willing participant in the sex schemes and photos.

Surely, the mothers (Denise and Cassandra) were not there. I have no idea why Denise would show her face at MJ's hearing. Maybe, she wanted to make sure that he didn't get bail. Maybe, she just wanted to show her face to him. Surely, she was not there to support him.

yeah, drugs could have been involved, but i thought RG didn't leave TX till June 26th....(can't remember where i read this now)....a lot is still very confusing for me.....i think when LE were called about Brooke missing, is when MJ & RG started yakkin it up on the phone....4 phone calls betw 9'ish, pm on the 25th & 11'ish pm.....THEN 2 more calls shortly after midnight (june 26th).......i'm thinking RG wasn't actually involved in Brooke's murder, but knew about it......

& i agree...if i had been MJ's wife, i'd want to crawl up under a rock, & never show my face again... i sure as hell wouldn't have shown up in court for him, ugh!....i'm still kinda like you though...not sure if AR is telling ALL she knows....if she really wrote those emails, she sure was ready to make Brooke suffer (peeing in her mouth).....was ready for the "tie up/tie down", but wasn't sure she wanted "time with her" (her meaning Brooke).......soooo, sooooo sickening.......