CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 2

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Daughter J posted on another forum on April 22, 2009 that her husband (Bob's SIL) had been laid off the day before.

Not sure if he was still unemployed when Bob went missing, but if so, it is something to consider regarding possible events, state of mind, triggers.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/180/50376

This could be one more piece of the puzzle.

Taken separately each piece may be explained, but taken as a whole it tells a story. The puzzle gets completed.
 
The Doe Network - Missing Persons Checklist

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THE MONTHS AHEAD:

  • Consider offering a reward if you haven’t already
  • Organize events to keep the case alive in the media and with the public (loved one’s birthday, missing date anniversary).
    [*]Provide LE with any updates or leads that you may have. Let them know if your loved one has been located or heard from.

    [*]Provide updates to the missing persons sites you’ve listed the case
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    [*]Find out your state’s laws on victim’s rights because you may be entitled to certain privileges as the family member of a missing loved one.
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ADDITIONAL SUGGESTIONS:
  • Contact crime shows such as America’s Most Wanted, 48 Hours, etc. about profiling your loved one’s case.
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Organize events to keep the case alive in the media and with the public (loved one’s birthday, missing date anniversary).

On Mr. Harrod's birthday we had one daughter posting on the IS forum: "Please come home and take care of business there."

Two days before the one-year anniversary of Mr. Harrod's disappearance we had another daughter threatening a poster on this forum.
 
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Office of the Attorney General - California State Department of Justice
Bob is listed here
Report Type: Voluntary Missing Adult
Weight: 140 lbs.
Why hasn’t this been updated?
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=3890920900061

North American Missing Persons Network
Bob is listed here
Classification: Voluntary Missing Adult
Weight: 140 lbs.
Why hasn’t this been updated?
http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrod_robert.html


Please tell me this isn't so. How could something THAT important NOT be updated??
 
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Office of the Attorney General - California State Department of Justice
Bob is listed here
Report Type: Voluntary Missing Adult
Weight: 140 lbs.
Why hasn’t this been updated?
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=3890920900061

North American Missing Persons Network
Bob is listed here
Classification: Voluntary Missing Adult
Weight: 140 lbs.
Why hasn’t this been updated?
http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrod_robert.html


Please tell me this isn't so. How could something THAT important NOT be updated??

These look like govt sites, and need to be updated by govt.
 
I.M.H.O.

Objective opinion on this thread is often met with a great deal of repetitious opposition from certain suspicious posters on WS, like school yard bullies. It is obvious to me and I assume others have noticed it as well.

No comment. This speaks for itself.

This is the reason that, JMOO, although I do not suspect Fontelle's direct involvement, the above list should be expanded to also include her adult children from the two previous marriages. Wasn't it said that she lived with her son in a trailer on his property? Why would a son be in no hurry to bring her back into the protective fold here in her home state?

Ummm, because she’s an adult, who is her own person, who makes her own decisions, and he doesn’t try to control her?

I continually WONDER about the possibility of a monitary motive in leaving her all alone in California for the time being. If she was my mother, I wouldn't want to leave her in harms way, mingling with strangers and possible suspects, not for all the money in the world. But then, we all love our mothers differently, don't we.

Without a doubt. And our fathers!

There have been so many theories that I.M.H.O. none should be left out of consideration. The best sleuths must remain objective at all times.

The above is my opinion. Feel free to post your own. I’m not trying to stop you and encourage you to post.

I.M.H.O. Objective opinions should be welcome here.

And they are.

My comments in blue.
 
These look like govt sites, and need to be updated by govt.

Is it possible for a family member to contact these sites and ask/insist that they be updated?
 
IMO, when you look at motive, you need to determine who benefits from a person being dead. So far what I see is Fontelle and the hairdresser both benefited from Bob being alive. Although I would love to know more about the hairdresser and her husband.
 
IMO, when you look at motive, you need to determine who benefits from a person being dead. So far what I see is Fontelle and the hairdresser both benefited from Bob being alive. Although I would love to know more about the hairdresser and her husband.

Initially, I assume hairdresser benefits from Bob not demanding repayment of $$$ loaned, and Fontelle living free in a furnished house plus whatever she is trying to get thru court action. From what little Ca Exile said, the hairdresser sounds unstable (IMHO). Fontelle's safety concerns me but that is her judgement of character and her own choice, but I too am interested in knowing more about them.
 
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Office of the Attorney General - California State Department of Justice
Bob is listed here
Report Type: Voluntary Missing Adult
Weight: 140 lbs.
Why hasn’t this been updated?
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=3890920900061

North American Missing Persons Network
Bob is listed here
Classification: Voluntary Missing Adult
Weight: 140 lbs.
Why hasn’t this been updated?
http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrod_robert.html


Please tell me this isn't so. How could something THAT important NOT be updated??

North American Missing Persons Network
The North American Missing Persons Network is a volunteer run site that was launched in January 2005. The North American Missing Persons Network is devoted to bringing attention to both child and adult missing persons cases in Canada and the United States.

The North American Missing Persons Network is a fully cooperating sister site of the Doe Network.
http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrod_robert.html

For Corrections/Updates Contact:
Administrative Assistant Michele Gain
 
This could be one more piece of the puzzle.

Taken separately each piece may be explained, but taken as a whole it tells a story. The puzzle gets completed.

Yes, it should answer your question about a well liked son-in-law who bent over backwards to help his father-in-law around the house doing chores and whatever Bob needed done (perCaExile) AND it answers the question as to why at least this daughter could not come up with any $$ for a reward. Her husband had just gotten laid off..and she was asking if anyone could spare some painting supplies for a hobby that she loved and did not even have the funds to buy brushes!!
 
North American Missing Persons Network
The North American Missing Persons Network is a volunteer run site that was launched in January 2005. The North American Missing Persons Network is devoted to bringing attention to both child and adult missing persons cases in Canada and the United States.

The North American Missing Persons Network is a fully cooperating sister site of the Doe Network.
http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrod_robert.html

For Corrections/Updates Contact:
Administrative Assistant Michele Gain

Thanks. Here is the email address listed for Michele Gain for corrections/updates: nampn.updates@gmail.com

http://www.nampn.org/contact.html
 
If anyone can send a suggestion to KTLA News at link below to do a follow up story, that might help. They did several stories early on (reference links below).

Send a story idea to KTLA News:
http://www.ktla.com/about/station/contact/ktla-storyideas-email-page,0,604116.htmlstory

Earlier Coverage:

Video: KTLA: Couple Reunites After Six Decades Apart -- Jaime Chambers reports
http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/?watchId=787b9661-cce5-40f4-ae8a-ec7b54c23643

Video: KTLA: Man Disappears After 59-Year Engagement -- Elizabeth Espinosa Reports
http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=ac85bbd7-919c-45df-8bff-de9407f59354&src=front

81 year old Newlywed Still Missing
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-long-engagement,0,266953.story
 
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Thank you for your cooperation
Cubby

ETA: ALL POV's and reasonable theories are welcome provided they are within TOS. LE has stated NO ONE has been ruled out. Until LE officially rules any of the possible POI's or possible suspects ALL discussion about those possibilities is welcome. Please keep that in mind.

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Thank you
 
This event is tomorrow night. If anyone lives in the area and can go, they say the police department will answer questions…I believe Dale Carlson, Detective Lieutenant, is the Supervisor of the detectives.

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July 29, 2010

PLACENTIA – The annual National Night Out, sponsored by the Placentia Police Department, will be Tuesday.

National Night Out is a free event that promotes awareness and safety in the community. The Police Department will answer questions, the Orange County Fire Authority will bring a fire engine, the area's SWAT team will do demonstrations and the canine unit will also be there.

The event will be from 5 to 8 p.m. at the Placentia Town Center Shopping Center at Yorba Linda and Kraemer boulevards.

Contact Crime Prevention Specialist Maureen Becerra with questions, at 714-993-8225.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/placentia-259536-contact-questions.html

Placentia Department Directory: http://placentia.org/Directory.aspx?DID=3
 
CAExile, has anyone from the PPD contacted you yet?
 
Nope, not a word. I have also not seen any press stories about Bob being missing for a year. I think they have lost interest.
 
Nope, not a word. I have also not seen any press stories about Bob being missing for a year. I think they have lost interest.

That is unacceptable.
 
I just want to point something out..

There are numerous complaints about the police not doing their job. First, I am not affiliated with any law enforcement agency anywhere in the world at all. I'm an IT Manager by trade.. but.. We don't know, with certainty, that the police have given up. We don't know what they have or haven't done in this case. We know that they haven't talked to Paul.. but they have talked to the family, hairdresser and her husband. Something WE haven't done. We have no idea if they have investigators out there doing more work or not. However.. we criticize them for not solving this thing fast enough, and the various theories that exist here alone should point out how difficult of a job they have. We can banter back and forth all day. THEY have to investigate ALL theories that make sense... and some that don't.. They HAVE to have evidence. The world revolves around that for them. They can suspect all they want, but cannot act without direct evidence. That isn't always immediately available.. so let's give them a break. Call and ask about the case, sure.. keep them on it.. but I don't think trashing them is necessary until we can step into their shoes.

As far as the case goes.. thank you Exile for discussing my questions/statements. I still have to go back to the small details, though.. It is very tempting to compare Bob to myself, though, I know that Bob very likely did things differently. I can concede that perhaps one might answer the door after waking, however, if the glasses were on the table next to me, I think the more natural thing to do would be to grab them and put them on on your way to the door in one full motion. Adding the small details of the wallet and keys being missing, I can understand a wallet.. it's always in your pocket (for many people.. not all) and the same for the keys. That said, I am thinking that the most prominent thing to do if laying in a chair and taking a nap is to remove your keys from your pocket so they don't rub/dig you the wrong way. If the glasses were removed, then the nap wasn't a surprise, probably, and thus, the keys may have been removed from one's pocket, too, to further facilitate sleep. However, as Exile said, without knowing the man that closely (i.e. living with him) those are the kind of things you NEVER think about. I couldn't tell you if my best friend for 25 years carries his keys all the time or not.. and I know him well!

I still think the hairdresser is the likely suspect.. but.. there is always the chance that the hairdresser is also a likely patsy... and someone is trying to take advantage of how bad that relationship looks...

I agree.. find the wallet/keys, you will find Bob nearby (figuratively or literally).

I think that 5 miles to Chino State Park, 15-20 miles to the mountains, and 50-60 miles or so to the desert mean there are many options for hiding someone. My first instinct, however, says that Chino State Park is the likely focal point, or the desert, if the park is heavily trafficked (I don't know.. anyone?)

Did Bob have a cell phone? Anyone know where it ended up if he did?
 
I agree.. find the wallet/keys, you will find Bob nearby (figuratively or literally).

I think that 5 miles to Chino State Park, 15-20 miles to the mountains, and 50-60 miles or so to the desert mean there are many options for hiding someone. My first instinct, however, says that Chino State Park is the likely focal point, or the desert, if the park is heavily trafficked (I don't know.. anyone?)


respectfully snipped. Excellent post Basic! I think you are likely right about the above. I don't recall knowing of any searches for Bob. None that were public anyway.

IF there are any locals following this case, I think it would be an excellent idea to post fliers agan near the area's you described Basic. If the state park has a main building of some kind ask if Bobs info can be posted there.
I'm afraid it may he hikers who stumble upon his remains if he is to be located.

How can we get the word out and in area's hikers will be aware to be on the look out?
 
Can someone link a printable flier for Bob's case? I'm not sure where the printable fliers are.......
 
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