CA - Child *advertiser censored* charges against John Mark Karr dismissed

[Camper]

I think Buzzml moved ole confused Karr over to another forum and is trying to git him outta JonBenets forum.


Good riddance.

OOPS I note that I have been transmogrified already.

HE should have non gender specific surgery, tie his hands behind him, and stitch his mouf shut.

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[Buzz Mills]

Boulder sheriff vows to stay mum on Karr extradition

August 30, 2006
DENVER — With two weeks for California authorities to come and get former JonBenet Ramsey slaying suspect John Mark Karr, the Boulder County authorities vowed Wednesday not to add to the public spectacle that surrounded Karr's false confession.

Sheriff Joe Pelle, asked repeatedly by news organizations about arrangements for Karr's extradition to California on unrelated charges, released a statement saying only that the 41-year-old former school teacher would be out of the Boulder jail by Sept. 13, the deadline set by state law.

Unlike Thai authorities who paraded Karr in front of cameras after his Aug. 16 arrest, Pelle said he won't make a show of Karr's departure.

''The sheriff's office does not publicize information concerning the transfer or transportation of inmates,'' Pelle's written statement said. ''We do not arrange 'perp walks' or other public exhibitions of inmates if we can help it, and we won't be arranging photo opportunities concerning his transfer.''

Karr exchanged e-mails about JonBenet's December 1996 slaying with University of Colorado professor Michael Tracey for four years, claiming in graphic detail to have killed the 6-year-old girl in a ritualistic sexual assault. Tracey contacted authorities, sparking an investigation.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4956600,00.html

 

[Buzz Mills]

Karr hiring raises major questions about screening
Background checks on substitute teachers do not reveal firings or inappropriate behavior

While media attention continues to focus on John Mark Karr’s possible motives for claiming involvement in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, serious questions have been raised concerning the effectiveness of the screening process used when he was hired as a substitute teacher in Sonoma County, as well as the long delay in revoking his teaching credentials.

In 1996, after being hired as a substitute teacher in Marion County, Ala., John Mark Karr was dropped from the list after 15 days because of complaints from parents. And in January or February of 2000, he abruptly left a student teaching program in Florence, Ala., when concerns were raised about his relationships with girls in his fifth-grade classroom.

Yet, shortly after he moved to Northern California in 2000, Karr passed a criminal background check, and was cleared to teach as a substitute in local schools.

“We hired him after receiving clearance,” said Carl Wong, superintendent of Sonoma County Schools. “In our county, the Office of Education transmits digitized fingerprints to the Bureau of Criminal Identification and Information in the California Department of Justice.”

Aaron Carruthers, spokes-person for state Attorney General Bill Lockyer, said that the bureau screens applicants for criminal activity.

“We look only for convictions for crimes, regardless of the level of offenses, and all pending adjudication,” he said.

Adjudication is the legal process by which an arbiter or judge reviews evidence and arguments, including legal reasoning set forth by opposing parties or litigants, to come to a decision or judgment that determines rights and obligations between the parties involved.

“We report any information we find to the school district involved. Some crimes automatically disqualify people from teaching, while others leave their hiring up to the discretion of the school district,” Carruthers said.

He said that crimes in California are immediately reported to the bureau, but that it sometimes is more difficult to obtain information from other states.

“When crimes or arrests occur in California, we hear about them right away, but with out-of-state cases, we’re dependent upon them being reported to the FBI — and sometimes, there is a delay,” he said.

Situations in which teachers are fired or exhibit inappropriate behavior do not turn up on background checks — unless they involve a crime or pending adjudication.

“This information could turn up during reference checks done by school personnel,” Carruthers said.

Before hiring Karr, the Sonoma County Office of Education had “no evidence whatsoever” that he previously exhibited inappropriate behavior, Wong said. SCOE personnel check to be sure substitute applicants have completed sufficient course work and have obtained a degree.

http://www1.arguscourier.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060830/NEWS01/60829027

 

[scandi]

CA has a change in the law going through the CA legislature right now; it will change some pedo charges, that were formerly misdemeanors, to felonies.

Hi Buzz, If this new law was not in effect at the time he was originally charged, I don't think they can use it in his case unless there are new charges based on new evidence found relating to what he has done. What do you think?

Hi Rocky, I see that you have feelings he has committed murder? So far we have no evidence of that, but if he has done this, I am praying he took copious notes on the events so that he can be stopped from ever doing it again. His lap top will tell the tale on him.

If it is true, let it be the reason. And so I have to have absolute faith in truth, that if this extremely perverted pedo has gone the limit, that she {truth} will stand supreme, and he will be shown for what he really is and has done. I believe that with all my heart Rocky. Goodness always conquors evil when truth intervenes!

xoxoxo to both of you Scandi

Rocky, I refer here to truth as a lady, as I do when I speak about justice. It is simply tradition that prompts me to think like this, and nothing at all to demean the masculine side of our society, or of mankind. Maybe a little light and lovely pun intended

 

[Buzz Mills]

Hi Buzz, If this new law was not in effect at the time he was originally charged, I don't think they can use it in his case unless there are new charges based on new evidence found relating to what he has done. What do you think?

Hi Rocky, I see that you have feelings he has committed murder? So far we have no evidence of that, but if he has done this, I am praying he took copious notes on the events so that he can be stopped from ever doing it again. His lap top will tell the tale on him.

If it is true, let it be the reason. And so I have to have absolute faith in truth, that if this extremely perverted pedo has gone the limit, that she {truth} will stand supreme, and he will be shown for what he really is and has done. I believe that with all my heart Rocky. Goodness always conquors evil when truth intervenes!

xoxoxo to both of you Scandi

Rocky, I refer here to truth as a lady, as I do when I speak about justice. It is simply tradition that prompts me to think like this, and nothing at all to demean the masculine side of our society, or of mankind. Maybe a little light and lovely pun intended

Scandi, the law won't be retroactive, so it won'y apply to JMK. I think the Sonoma D.A. is going to be in the spotlight; a lot of people will be watching to see how CA deals with Karr.

 

[scandi]

All I can say Buzz, is that if LE learns of something disturbing and illegal that he has done, new charges will be filed. And then I say give him he!! and give the dude a real dose of reality!


Scandi

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Yea, I figure he'll do 2 of 5 years in the joint and probably be out soon after that, unless they can augment the charges. He's probably feeling a little less sensitive right now, and bet he doesn't even swoon for the guards at this point. Bet his boobies are geting flatter by the day now. LOL

I saw a couple of his friends, a couple, on TV, and he commented to the gal acquaintance years ago that all men have a little bit of 'gay' in them. He must think that about himself, don't you think? I am really hard nosed, and think it should be unacceptable for a pedophile to have transgender surgery. It's ludicrus!

Scandi

I don't know. I don't think pedophiles think in terms of gay or straight. I don't think that male pedophiles who molest boys consider themselves "gay." Its all too confusing for me. All the labels. I honestly am just so sick and tired of people treating children like disposable sex toys and punching bags that I'm sick to my stomach. Until they come up with some sort of treatment program for these mofos that WORKS, they should consider the death penalty.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Karr's reunion with father at jail was 'very emotional'

August 31, 2006
The family cried when they first saw John Mark Karr in person at the Boulder County Jail Tuesday, but half-brother Nate Karr said the reunion was especially emotional for their father.
Wexford Karr hadn't seen his son in five years. The 85-year-old man with white hair, a white mustache and trim frame had thought his son was dead until Karr's arrest in Thailand two weeks ago. Now, he was standing in front of him.

"This has been very hard on him," Nate Karr said. "It was very emotional. He said some personal things to him and, well, let's just say it was very emotional."

The Karr family has spent the last two weeks "mostly sequestered" in Wexford's Atlanta home as media trucks of all shapes and sizes parked out front with reporters trying to unearth the history of John Karr.

With the exception of a few television appearances, Wexford Karr was buckling under the stress of hearing his son repeatedly being accused of killing JonBenet Ramsey.

Nate Karr said the image they saw of John Karr in Thailand didn't resemble the man they knew, but that his half-brother looked much better in person. Both Nate and the father flew out to Colorado to see him and were back in Atlanta Wednesday.

"The first thing he asked about was his children," Nate Karr said. "We told him they were fine. Then we talked about our family and the past five years."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4958242,00.html

 

[Buzz Mills]

Professor's Role In Leading Investigators To Karr Stirs Debate
Michael Tracey Defends His Role In Case

BOULDER, Colo. -- Investigators say the journalism professor who tipped them off about John Mark Karr's claim to be JonBenet Ramsey's killer "did us a great service," but journalism educators question whether he crossed the ethical line that keeps news reporters independent of the government.

The key, educators said this week, is whether University of Colorado professor Michael Tracey -- who has produced three documentaries on the Ramsey case and is working on a book -- considered himself a journalist or an academic when he gathered Karr's gruesome confessions for authorities.

As a journalist, the educators said, Tracey could be expected to avoid close collaboration with investigators to maintain his independence, except in exceptional circumstances. As an academic, even an academic in the field of journalism, he would have more leeway to work with investigators, they said.


"To the extent he is acting as a journalist, he should abide by the ethical norms guiding that profession," said Erik Ugland, an assistant professor at Marquette University and head of the Media Ethics Division for the Association for Education in Journalism and Mass Communication.

"On the other hand, if he is simply a college professor who's been sort of swept up into this maelstrom, then there's no reason he can't cooperate with police if his conscience compels him to do so," Ugland said.

For Tracey, the answer is simple: "I'm an academic, I'm a scholar. I'm not a journalist," he told The Associated Press Wednesday.

"I was functioning as a member of the community and a father," he said. "That was my motivation, that it would have been wrong for me not to go to the authorities."

Tracey's four-year correspondence with Karr, by e-mail and telephone, is what led Boulder County district attorney's investigators to track Karr to Thailand, bring him back to Boulder and arrest him on a murder warrant in the 1996 slaying. The case disintegrated when DNA tests showed Karr could not be the killer.

After the case collapsed, District Attorney Mary Lacy defended the decision to arrest Karr and praised Tracey for his help. At a news conference, she called him "a journalist who could have gone public with this at any time" but instead chose to work with investigators.

"Bottom line is, he did a great service," she said.

Deputy District Attorney Peter Maguire said Tracey had been in effect a confidential informant. "He was very valuable to us working in an undercover capacity," he said.

Bob Steele, the Nelson Poynter scholar for journalism values at the Poynter Institute in St. Petersburg, Fla., said that pointed up what he called a troubling aspect of the case: Was Tracey cooperating with police and working as a journalist at the same time?

"Journalists operate under this principal of independence," he said. "We scrutinize the police and the prosecution and the methods of the investigation. If we are collaborating, then our ability -- real or perceived -- to be a watchdog is compromised."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/9767558/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

he will get 5 years parolled in 2 and a slap on the hand in California.

I want him sent back to Bangkok to stand trial for the little girl he killed.

He'll be washing sox and sucking cox for the next 2-4 years. And where the hella re you coming up with the murder of a little girl? This guy is all hat and no cattle in that department.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

The *advertiser censored* charges were misdemeanors, but I imagine they'll throw additional charges at him for fleeing to escape prosecution. Maybe those will be felonies and they can keep in in jail longer.

They're also seraching his new laptop for kiddy *advertiser censored*. Which they no doubt will find.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

He'll be washing sox and sucking cox for the next 2-4 years. And where the hella re you coming up with the murder of a little girl? This guy is all hat and no cattle in that department.

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: I like your way with words there BillyGoat.

 

[LaMer]

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: I like your way with words there BillyGoat.

Me> :blushing:

 

[panthera]

Scandi, the law won't be retroactive, so it won'y apply to JMK. I think the Sonoma D.A. is going to be in the spotlight; a lot of people will be watching to see how CA deals with Karr.

Right, he can only be sentenced with what was in effect in 2001. I'm not understanding either about searching the computer he had in Thailand, and charging him with crimes if *advertiser censored* is found on it. Who would be charging him? Federal law?


BTW ~ Glad I finally found where Karr moved to here on the board!!

 

[panthera]

Me> :blushing:

Ditto!:blushing:
Or maybe:

 

[Buzz Mills]

Right, he can only be sentenced with what was in effect in 2001. I'm not understanding either about searching the computer he had in Thailand, and charging him with crimes if *advertiser censored* is found on it. Who would be charging him? Federal law?


BTW ~ Glad I finally found where Karr moved to here on the board!!

Maybe at least they have JMK's DNA in the CODIS database now, for future reference.

Perhaps they can share Karr's DNA with Thailand, Honduras, France, Costa Rica, and anywhere else Karr was known to have spent time.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Karr's Colorado departure uncertain

August 31, 2006
John Mark Karr remained in the Boulder County Jail on Wednesday, his destination certain but his itinerary unfixed.
A spokesman for the Sonoma County, Calif., Sheriff's Department said Karr will be extradited there by the Sept. 13 deadline set during Karr's appearance in a Boulder court Tuesday.

But, said Santa Rosa Sheriff's Sgt. Robert Giordano, there will be no prior announcement made concerning the timing of the move.

"I do know what's going to happen now, but I'm not going to comment on it for security reasons, other than to say he will be brought back here in the time allotted by law," Giordano said.

"That's very standard security protocol, particularly in a case like this.

"We're just being safe."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4958239,00.html

 

[Leila]

Right, he can only be sentenced with what was in effect in 2001. I'm not understanding either about searching the computer he had in Thailand, and charging him with crimes if *advertiser censored* is found on it. Who would be charging him? Federal law?


BTW ~ Glad I finally found where Karr moved to here on the board!!

Boy, I'm getting confused! I thought LE was going to be using improved computer technology to search his computer hard-drive on the computer he owned when he lived in Petaluma in 2001. I wasn't aware that they planned on searching the hard drive on the computer he had in Thailand.

Question.........if they're searching the computer he owned in Petaluma, and found other material on it, could they file new charges? I know they couldn't attach anything found to the current case against him in Petaluma, but couldn't they have a second or new case against him if something were found?

 

[Buzz Mills]

SONOMA COUNTY
Judge won't unseal evidence in *advertiser censored* case
Shocking details might sway jurors, the bench decides

A Sonoma County judge refused to unseal incriminating evidence in a child *advertiser censored* case against John Mark Karr on Tuesday, as the sheriff's department re-opened the 5-year-old investigation.

The flurry of activity in Sonoma County followed the collapse Monday of the murder case against Karr in Boulder, Colo., where investigators revealed that Karr's DNA did not match DNA found on the body of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.

Karr's apparently phony confession to the 1996 slaying of JonBenet set off a worldwide media frenzy and prompted Sonoma County authorities to take another look at the 2001 child *advertiser censored* charges.

Karr, who fled the Bay Area in 2001 while being prosecuted in the *advertiser censored* case, is expected to be brought back to Sonoma County within the next few days to face five misdemeanor counts of child *advertiser censored*.

Lawyers representing The Chronicle, the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, the Associated Press and NBC challenged a judge's decision -- made as the Colorado case unfolded -- to seal search warrants, police reports and arrest warrants in the *advertiser censored* case.

The argument, essentially, was that the sealed evidence, including pornographic photographs of children, is so shocking that the details would negatively impact potential Sonoma County jurors and hurt the newly reopened investigation if the material was disseminated in the media.

Judge Cerena Wong agreed despite arguments by media lawyer Rachel Matteo-Boehm that shocking material and media attention are not enough under the law to allow the sealing of documents unless there is "a probability of prejudice in the case."

Wong described the sealed evidence as "very inflammatory and highly prejudicial."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/30/BAGM7KRRAP1.DTL

 

[tybee204]

The charges are misdemeaners that he has already served 6 months on. I cant imagine this even going to trial. Certainly there will be a plea agreement.