Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #17

[manormuskeg]

Trying to stay within the parameters and not ask this in an accusatory manner but did anyone else notice the unique costume KP was wearing a few days before SP's disappearance, specifically on Halloween? I just find it very coincidental what is exposed of his face. This so JMO and by no means accusing anyone of anything. Just interesting.

There are so many weird coincidences in this case...maybe that's true of most cases if you're looking at them hard enough.

I noticed another oddity today. CG noted on multiple occasions that the AD was either in town or heading out of town. If he was entrusted with the funds, why did that matter? But CG also made pointed out, on more than one occasion, that he himself was in and out of town while events were unfolding. So?

On a personal weirdness note, I mentioned in an earlier thread that I used to live in Redding, CT. The town that borders Redding to the north is Bethel, CT.

 

[creepcrusher]

So how does that relate to this case? SP is not developmentally disabled, she is not 17 years old, and I'm pretty sure she did not meet her kidnappers through a mutual friend. It's apples and oranges.

If you are going to try to make a case for human trafficking, at least try to find a similar case. Otherwise I fail to see how it is relevant.

Not sure if this link is allowed here. Mods please remove it if I'm breaking any rules.
http://m.reviewjournal.com/view/ant...k-women-all-ages-sex-trafficking-prostitution

 

[robthomaseyes]

In that case I believe their motive was mental illness and drug use. They were convicted of making a criminal threat. Interesting case, but it doesn't have anything to do with human trafficking, and it wasn't even a kidnaping attempt.

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/nonpub/C076866.PDF

That case was different. He wasn't guilty of kidnapping b/c kidnapping requires the moving of a person a "substantial distance". He didn't intend to take her away and/or imprison her. Instead, he was guilty of making a criminal threat (to kill her).

SP was absolutely kidnapped. They didn't just attempt it, they carried it out. She WAS taken by force against her will; she WAS imprisoned (for 22 days). Since she was beaten during the kidnapping, and - if the perps kidnapped her with the intent to commit another crime (rape, for example) - it is now raised to aggravated kidnapping.

http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-kidnapping-laws.html

 

[sunsetbeach]

In the event Lake16 comes back I would like to ask him/her a question.

Does the Papini family know that you are posting on this site? Just curious, nothing more.

Thanks.

 

[soanyway]

I'll have to disagree, just because he was not convicted on a kidnapping charge, does not mean it wasn't his motive. I believe the story of the victim, not that of the perp trying to get off on it being a "joke". Either way, it speaks to the crime and drastic actions taken by drug users, for which Redding has more than their fair share. Not bashing, just confirming what's already been stated.

According to Wurner, as she passed the Volkswagen, defendant rolled down thepassenger side window and said: “Stop, get in the car. I’m going to ****ing kill you.”


Defendant gotout of the car and approached Wurner as she tried, unsuccessfully, to reach a 911operator. Wurner ran, screaming, “Help me,” until she reached her front door.
Defendant briefly gave chase, yelling: “I’m going to kill you.” Wurner’s mother washome at the time. She heard Wurner screaming outside, ran to the front door, and openedit to let her inside. As Wurner ran inside the apartment, she yelled: “Help me. Theyhave a gun.” Wurner then locked the door behind her and called 911.

Carter had drivendefendant to Walmart, parked the car, and proceeded to smoke some marijuana in theparking lot.


They were both habitual opiate users and struck up a conversation while smokingcigarettes in front of the casino. Defendant offered to share some heroin with Carterin exchange for a ride to his parents’ house. Carter agreed. (After using the heroin,defendant realized he needed to get more opiates or he would “wake up sick the nextmorning.” (Because defendant lost all of his money at the casino, he decided to stealproperty to trade for the drugs. To this end, Carter and defendant drove to a homelessencampment where defendant broke into a vehicle but found nothing of value inside.Carter then drove defendant to his parents’ house, where defendant changed his clothes, packed a backpack, and left again with Carter in search of a way to getmore drugs.

In that case I believe their motive was mental illness and drug use. They were convicted of making a criminal threat. Interesting case, but it doesn't have anything to do with human trafficking, and it wasn't even a kidnaping attempt.

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/nonpub/C076866.PDF

 

[Logansden77]

I don't know what the motives were for the attempted kidnapping of this 27 year old mother in Redding, luckily she got away and they were apprehended. Just showing that it is not that far-fetched to think an adult woman would be abducted, especially in a high crime area where drugs and repeat offenders are prevalent.



http://archive.redding.com/news/pol...nap-redding-woman-ep-361529770-354003601.html

So what does this 3 1/2 year old news have to do with now?

 

[KaaBoom]

She lived with her family in a middle class suburb. She was KIDNAPPED , held hostage, and forced into working as a prostitute. In Sacramento.

So it is not really all that different, imo.

But the article was about the TREND of increasing incidents of trafficking in the Bay Area of California.

I don't understand the huge concern with SP's age. She looked very young and pretty. She would have sold for a large sum if not for all the publicity, imo.

The only similarity is that they were both kidnaped, but as the other post above points out, only 10% of human trafficking involves kidnapping. So even that single link is weak. Age is important, because the vast majority of human trafficking victims are 18 to 24. She doesn't fit the demographic, and I haven't heard any evidence that SP was forced to work as a prostitute. Trying to connect SP's abduction to human trafficking is a real long shot.

 

[DeDee]

There are so many weird coincidences in this case...maybe that's true of most cases if you're looking at them hard enough.

I noticed another oddity today. CG noted on multiple occasions that the AD was either in town or heading out of town. If he was entrusted with the funds, why did that matter? But CG also made pointed out, on more than one occasion, that he himself was in and out of town while events were unfolding. So?

On a personal weirdness note, I mentioned in an earlier thread that I used to live in Redding, CT. The town that borders Redding to the north is Bethel, CT.

There are so many weird coincidences in this case

A trusted gentleman much wiser than myself, who was once the Lead Investigator in Boulder and currently is Town Marshall in Telluride, A. James Kolar, once said, "There are no coincidences. They are clues."

And I believe him.

 

[TexMex]

The only similarity is that they were both kidnaped, but as the other post above points out, only 10% of human trafficking involves kidnapping. So even that single link is weak. Age is important, because the vast majority of human trafficking victims are 18 to 24. She doesn't fit the demographic, and I haven't heard any evidence that SP was forced to work as a prostitute. Trying to connect SP's abduction to human trafficking is a real long shot.

Imo SP could, with her small frame, long hair and exercise clothes on, easily be mistaken for an 18-24 year old.
Why do you think she was abducted?

 

[Rosie2487]

So unbelievably true.

I guess people want to finish the story that has yet to be written. (Ended)

Impatient and curious!

Can I ask a question respectfully?
if everyone believes this case as it is told...why so many pages?
We accept that LE can't and won't share info. We accept that the family deserves privacy. We accept that it was horrible and that it was 2 women who abducted and tortured her. So what is there to sleuth and dissect?
If LE isn't offering clues, and we cannot speculate on anything not stated as fact thus far....why are we all still here day after day, page after page trying to make something out of nothing?
We have hashed over grocery bags. Hose clamps. Why 2 women. Dogs being left behind. Using daycare without a job. Etc etc
But why? Why are we still so fascinated with this story? We may never be told and our guesses are nothing but fabricated assumptions.
Why are we unable to wait for the pieces to fall together ?
Is it because we all think deep down there is way more to this case than meets the eye? Or is it because as much as the family states the want privacy...we decided too bad...we wanna pry?

i guess I just don't know what there is to sleuth right now. We have been given absolutely nothing. There is less info on this case than any I have ever been a researched.

So my question is to anyone who wishes to answer. What still draws you to this page even though no new evidence has been given?

 

[DizzyB]

So unbelievably true.

I guess people want to finish the story that has yet to be written. (Ended)

Impatient and curious!

I want to understand what makes no sense to me.

 

[katydid23]

The only similarity is that they were both kidnaped, but as the other post above points out, only 10% of human trafficking involves kidnapping. So even that single link is weak. Age is important, because the vast majority of human trafficking victims are 18 to 24. She doesn't fit the demographic, and I haven't heard any evidence that SP was forced to work as a prostitute. Trying to connect SP's abduction to human trafficking is a real long shot.

To some meth freaks driving by, she could easily look like she was in her early 20's. So her real age is not proof that she would not be a trafficking victim.

And 10% of 100 is 10. So ten of every 100 victims are kidnapped. So it does happen.

And just because she was not, as far as we know, actually forced to work , we don't know whether or not that was their original motive.

I really do not see it as such a long shot. It makes more sense than anything else, imo. She was treated the way trafficking victims are usually treated.

If you go by process of elimination, it is the last thing left on my list.

 

[creepcrusher]

Imo SP could, with her small frame, long hair and exercise clothes on, easily be mistaken for an 18-24 year old.
Why do you think she was abducted?

That's true. She could easily pass for someone in her twenties with her small build, and the long hair.

 

[Rosie2487]

I agree, and I won't give up. Addicted!

I want to understand what makes no sense to me.

 

[creepcrusher]

To some meth freaks driving by, she could easily look like she was in her early 20's. So her real age is not proof that she would not be a trafficking victim.

And 10% of 100 is 10. So ten of every 100 victims are kidnapped. So it does happen.

And just because she was not, as far as we know, actually forced to work , we don't know whether or not that was their original motive.

I really do not see it as such a long shot. It makes more sense than anything else, imo. She was treated the way trafficking victims are usually treated.

If you go by process of elimination, it is the last thing left on my list.

Me too! Me too!

 

[luckylis]

She lived with her family in a middle class suburb. She was KIDNAPPED , held hostage, and forced into working as a prostitute. In Sacramento.

So it is not really all that different, imo.

But the article was about the TREND of increasing incidents of trafficking in the Bay Area of California.

I don't understand the huge concern with SP's age. She looked very young and pretty. She would have sold for a large sum if not for all the publicity, imo.

I agree with this and I believe it is unfortunate the "stereotype" of who gets trafficked is so false. Young, at risk youth is not the norm anymore; it may be in some demographics and regions, but like another poster mentioned thousands of threads ago (I can't recall his/her name, but s/he said they work within the security industry) that sex traffickers look for specific types now, to fulfill demand. Pretty blond, petite, "innocent" look and "fresh". SP fits the type to me.

 

[KaaBoom]

Not sure if this link is allowed here. Mods please remove it if I'm breaking any rules.
http://m.reviewjournal.com/view/ant...k-women-all-ages-sex-trafficking-prostitution

It's a bit hard to take information from an organization called "Hookers for Jesus" seriously. That information is very generic. Are any of those 467 adult victims of sex trafficking really 99 years old? I seriously doubt it. It sounds to me like a number they just pulled out of a hat, because it sounds good.

I would be interested to read some articles that are more specific then that.

 

[cluciano63]

A lot of the female joggers in my area are in their forties, small, blond, ponytails. I can't imagine they are in danger of being trafficked...I think the rings are a bit more cautious in finding victims...not just grabbing any jogger who "maybe looks like a teenage girl". But jmo.

 

[IdeMae]

Here is a screenshot from their site - thought that this was an interesting "error." It was later changed to "suspicious circumstances."

http://archive.redding.com/news/cri...n-DOJs-voluntary-missing-label-400898601.html

Oh interesting, nice catch!

❤

 

[creepcrusher]

A lot of the female joggers in my area are in their forties, small, blond, ponytails. I can't imagine they are in danger of being trafficked...I think the rings are a bit more cautious in finding victims...not just grabbing any jogger who "maybe looks like a teenage girl". But jmo.

Maybe the people that abducted her aren't part of a sophisticated sex trafficking ring. Maybe they're first timers, and stupid, acting on their own.