CANADA Canada - 6 Missing Teens, Pickering, Ontario, 17 March 1995

[Hamsterdance]

This is the link for the lower image of unidentified remains in ~n/t~'s post:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/127umva.html

The link has more information and a list of distinguishing features.

Estimated Age: 16-21 years old
Race: White
Gender: Male
Height: 5'7 to 5'9"
Weight: 169 lbs (77 kg)
Hair Color: Light brown to dark blond, curly, shoulder length.
Eye Color: Brown

other images:

These links may also be helpful for identifying remains in the US if they crossed the border somehow:
https://identifyus.org/en
http://doenetwork.org/cases/unid9.html

 

[Hamsterdance]

Do we know if Jamie was a Grateful Dead fan?

I don't know, ~n/t~, it is possible.

 

[Richard]

Is there a more accurate description or photo of the boat some where? A 16 foot motor whale boat is a bit small for six boys. Maximum number of persons for that size boat would have been about three or four.

Were there any registration numbers or serial numbers? Odd that nothing at all would turn up if there was a boating accident. Even odder that two boats might have sunk together.

Also, how about a physical description of each boy? Any photo links?

It is entirely possible that they did not go "oot and aboot in a boat", as planned. Perhaps they caught a ride somewhere by car or even ventured into a wilderness area on foot.

 

[~n/t~]

Is there a more accurate description or photo of the boat some where? A 16 foot motor whale boat is a bit small for six boys. Maximum number of persons for that size boat would have been about three or four.

Were there any registration numbers or serial numbers? Odd that nothing at all would turn up if there was a boating accident. Even odder that two boats might have sunk together.

Also, how about a physical description of each boy? Any photo links?

It is entirely possible that they did not go "oot and aboot in a boat", as planned. Perhaps they caught a ride somewhere by car or even ventured into a wilderness area on foot.

The photos are on the previous page but I also would like a description for each.

You could be right about the boat. Maybe not all of them went boating.

 

[Sonya610]

Do we know if Jamie was a Grateful Dead fan?

I don't think the body found in VA was Jamie, first off Jamie had a strong square jaw and the car crash victim has a narrow jaw.

Plus for Jamie to just disappear during the massive search and decide to go hitch hiking across the U.S. until he gets killed in a car accident 3 months later seems just to unlikely. If they all just took off some of them would have resurface during the last 20 years.

 

[~n/t~]

It wasn’t until 36 hours later that Durham Regional Police started the search, according to Odo.
They were joined by the Toronto Police Marine Unit, the Coast Guard, Hercules C-130 aircraft and a helicopter from the air-sea rescue unit at Canadian Forces Base in Trenton, in a search that would draw thousands in to help search for the missing boys.
All that surfaced was a gas tank believed to be from the Boston whaler. Aside from the gas tank nothing else was found. Out of six boys nothing. No hats. No shoes. Not even one piece of clothing. And to this day still nothing.
Odo says, “The first year was the hardest for me.” He knew in his heart Danny was gone, but he didn’t want to accept it.
There were stories about the boys taking off because they owed money to people, that they were in trouble with the law, but Odo knew none of that could be true, he says.

http://chronicle.durhamcollege.ca/story.php?id=5167

 

[musicaljoke]

Also, how about a physical description of each boy? Any photo links?

It is entirely possible that they did not go "oot and aboot in a boat", as planned. Perhaps they caught a ride somewhere by car or even ventured into a wilderness area on foot.

From the rcmp site:

Four boys are listed here:
https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missing-disparus/case-dossier.jsf?case=1996000270&id=0

Danny Higgins here:
https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missing-disparus/case-dossier.jsf?case=1996000260&id=0

and the sixth boy, Jamie Lefebvre, doesn't seem to be listed at all.

 

[musicaljoke]

Jay Boyle, Michael Cummins, Daniel Higgins and Chad Smith, Robbie Rumboldt and Jamie Lefebvre, were last seen walking together towards the Eastshore Marina in Pickering on March 17, 1995.

Witnesses and evidence suggest that after some spring break partying and drinking, the teenage boys went down to the beach looking for adventure. Once there, they may have stolen a four-metre imitation Boston Whaler motorboat and a three-wheeled paddle boat from separate marinas on Frenchman's Bay. Then, it's believed, they headed out for a joyride on the cold, icy waters of the lake without lifejackets. Before they left at around 12:50 a.m. on Friday, the boys told a friend they were going to "goof around" on a boat.

At 1:48 a.m., a surveillance camera caught three of the boys - Michael, Jamie and Robbie - entering East Shore Marina.

Between 2:30 and 3 a.m., some marina residents heard a motor boat out on the lake. The next morning, two boats were reported stolen from two marinas.
The police believe the boats capsized and hypothermia gripped the boys within minutes. The boys were first reported missing by worried girlfriends on Friday, but police did not treat their concerns seriously until Saturday afternoon, when they connected the boys to the missing boats.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060818053823AAd0ihP

 

[~n/t~]

I don't think the body found in VA was Jamie, first off Jamie had a strong square jaw and the car crash victim has a narrow jaw.

Plus for Jamie to just disappear during the massive search and decide to go hitch hiking across the U.S. until he gets killed in a car accident 3 months later seems just to unlikely. If they all just took off some of them would have resurface during the last 20 years.

What about this picture? Jamie far left.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/03/18/leave-no-stone-unturned-in-case-of-missing-teens


The search was 36 hours later. Some may have split up and went off on their own. I wouldn't discount cross border unidentified remains.

 

[~n/t~]

From the rcmp site:

Four boys are listed here:
https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missing-disparus/case-dossier.jsf?case=1996000270&id=0

Danny Higgins here:
https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missing-disparus/case-dossier.jsf?case=1996000260&id=0

and the sixth boy, Jamie Lefebvre, doesn't seem to be listed at all.

Interesting. Wonder why?

 

[musicaljoke]

The remains that were found were above Niagara Falls. For the boys to get there, they'd have to drive an overloaded 12-foot boat about 38 miles across Lake Ontario at night, and then go another 7 miles up the navigable part of the lower Niagara River, and then get out and walk another 8 miles (on city streets) to get around the falls.

The gas can from the stolen boat was found near Wilson, NY, which is near Niagara Falls. Maybe the boys took the boat across the lake and then horsed around in N.F. for a while.

This is certainly a very odd case. How can there be no evidence at all? I bet it was because no one was looking in the right place, on the US side, perhaps.

 

[Wondergirl]

Sorry if this has been posted already. Trying to catch up.

The comment under this article made by someone who knew at least one boy, points to foul play.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/family-ma...oys-case-point-to-possible-new-clue-1.1731005

 

[Wondergirl]

Everyone is assuming an A to B link between the night the boys went missing and the remains being recovered up stream of the falls.

Why not consider that any one of the boys lived through their misadventure, perhaps they argued amongst themselves that night, and maybe they did make it to land and carried on in some manner. There is, after all, 3 years separating the date of them going missing and the date of recovery of the remains.

 

[Wondergirl]

They were going for a joyride out on the lake. This was no new adventure, the boys had done it before.

Odo says, “ We used to take the boats out all the time, and go hang out on the dinghies and drink.”

But that night was cold with gusty winds. Odo refused to go because of the stormy weather.

Odo’s mother Melva Donnelly says, “The cold saved my boy that night. Chris hated the cold.”

http://chronicle.durhamcollege.ca/story.php?id=5167

 

[Wondergirl]

Police and water experts suspect the boat began sinking and the teens all tried to get on the water bike. They also believe the bodies are trapped in an underwater thermal band of a frigid temperature that remains constant.

And from that thermal band, the lake never surrenders its claim.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightCanada/ar/t1328.htm

 

[Wondergirl]

The underwater thermal band trapping the boats and the bodies is the best factual information that I have read, and would make sense.

If possible, the families would be best served trying to research the area of water outlying the marina in a set geographical radius, and contact marine divers or people with knowledge about underwater marine acoustics.

Talk to the friends that know the areas and how far out the boys usually went, since they had done it many times.

Those boys and those boats may still be located there, lodged in some sort of underwater thermal hold.

Look at those 2 cases recently in the U.S. where they discovered cars and missing people located for over 30 years, the cars went off the road and they were underwater right near the road, unbeknownst by anyone.

It IS possible to do something.

JMO

 

[Wondergirl]

If you are interested, there is more reading on thermal bars and thermalclines on wiki.

Satellite imagery will show where the bands are.

During the process of lake stratification, shallow areas generally become stratified before deeper areas. In large lakes this condition may persist for weeks, during which a temperature front known as a thermal bar forms between the stratified and unstratified areas of the lake. The thermal bar generally forms parallel to shore and moves toward the lake center as deeper areas of the lake stratify. While thermal bars can form in both fall and spring, most studies of the thermal bar have investigated aspects of the feature in the spring, when the lake is warming up and the summer thermocline is beginning to form.

At the lake surface, the thermal bar may be visible as a foam line between the stratified water shoreward of the thermal bar and unstratified water on the offshore side. At this convergence, waters mix and sink when they reach the temperature of maximum density, roughly 4 degrees Celsius for freshwater, a process known as cabbeling.

The downwelling of dense water at the thermal bar acts as a barrier to horizontal mixing. In spring, this concentrates warm water and suspended materials in the near shore waters around the edge of the lake. Satellite imagery has been used to identify thermal bars using their thermal characteristics as well as the concentration of suspended materials on their shoreward side, typically due to surface runoff to the lake.

Isotherms on the stratified side of the thermal bar slope away from the bar, producing a pressure gradient force that when balanced by the Coriolis force produces a cyclonic coastal geostrophic current that transports water and suspended matter along the shore.

Thermal bar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thermocline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://coolclassroom.org/teachers_guide/tg_earthsci.html

http://www.coexploration.org/bermuda/html/thermocline_graph.html

 

[Wondergirl]

There are 3 types of thermal fronts

1. Thermal breaks: These are randomly occurring surface water temperature gradients. Thermal break temperature gradients can range 3-10 degrees F over a short distance. Thermal breaks with the most rapid change in temperature tend to be the most productive fishing areas.

2. Spring thermocline: A spring thermocline is a zone of rapidly declining water temperatures between 42-46 degrees F (5.5 -7.7 degrees C).

3. Thermal bar: In the spring, as water reaches 39 degrees F (3.9 degrees C), it sinks because water is at its most dense at 39 degrees F. This creates a vertical ‘wall’ located where the 39 degrees F water first occurs and moves slowly offshore in the spring. Surface water temperature change across the front can be as much as 41-45 degrees F (5-7 degrees C) per 100 meters.


--In May and June, the thermal bar and spring thermocline move offshore and thermal breaks (greater than 9 degrees C) form. As temperatures warm, all three of these thermal fronts continue to move offshore.

http://www.miseagrant.umich.edu/les...concept/life-science/searching-for-steelhead/


Visual Clues for Thermal Fronts

 

[4SAM]

I signed the petition, if only to get attention to the fact that there are UID in Canada that may be a match to someone from the States. More eyes, more clues may be answered. I did post it also to my FB and hope that it gets passed around. Sad story for the boys. But with them drinking , maybe they did split up and some may have crossed the border that night and not even have known they were doing it and could have ended up anywhere and succumbed to the cold weather. Any chance that a body found a ways away could be them should be tested just to be sure and mark them off as a possibility. I do hope that if they were trapped in the boats and are now in a watery grave that some sort of method can be done to recover their bodies so their families can finally have closure. How awful.

 

[musicaljoke]

I noticed on the NAMUS site that there were a couple of unidentified, young males found in the Niagara region post-1995. There might not be any connection, but ...