Casey's seizure? NEW INFORMATION 2011.09.08

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I can't speak to Casey's reported seizure directly since we do not have very much information to go on with it. However, I can share my own experiences and what I have learned in my research to understand myself. I had my first seizure when I was 34 and was out of town in the middle of a classroom at a business conference for financial specialists. I had never had a seizures, blackouts, etc. At the time I was on prescription Xanax for anxiety (due to too many deep reasons to go into here) and forgotten my prescription for this trip. Since I had no history of seizures all physicians involved decided it was caused by Xanax withdrawal. I was also told not to worry, as 30% of people who have a seizure never have another one. (I have also read this statistic in many other reputable medical sources.) However in my case the seizures started back up again about a year later and at that point were constant and a small brain tumor was discovered. I had many dangerous seizures before my the right combination of meds were found to control them, and I plan to have the tumor removed next year (long story-govt. red tape involved). Though I have no memory of my seizures themselves, nor of the minute or two before they happen, and I am usually "out of it" and don't remember the strange things I do right after a seizure, but after about 15 minutes I come back around. I have never been violent to anyone during these times - in fact I am incapable of harming anyone intentionally, though it is possible that since I have very violent grand mal seizures I could accidentally harm someone who tried to hold me down if I am thrashing too hard. So far that has not been the case. Anyway, I apologize for making this post so long. The seizure aspect of this case is just a little sensitive to me because I honestly believe that Casey falls into that first group I mentioned of the 30% who never have another seizure and very likely could have had it due to a Xanax withdrawal. If her seizure had been taken very seriously, they would have held her in the hospital for days and had numerous neurological tests ran on her, as they did with me once my second seizure proved Xanax withdrawal were not my problem. And while I have some memory loss, it is minimal and has not erased ANY of the traumatic events of my life. Only superficial ones such as movies I've seen - and those memory losses are likely caused by the concussions I have suffered during some of the seizures that have occurred after falling onto ceramic tile and concrete floors while originally standing. To be clear, I do not think Casey's seizure has any bearing on this case whatsoever, except perhaps in a superficial way if her medical records for that hospital visits confirmed drug use (which still does not defend anything she has done in connection to Caylee IMO). Should I move this to the rant thread? :D I'll be glad to since this is a sensitive subject for me, and therefore a VERY LONG POST! Please just PM me if you feel I need to move or delete it. Thanks!
I am glad seem to be doing well, this is some frightening stuff. Good luck with your surgery.

My epileptic son is extrememly combative, violent, and argumentative before and after his seizures. So much so that I am scared to death that should he have one in the wrong public surroundings he will be harmed.

I don't think we have any additional information on Casey's follow up treatment or on the seizure itself. But it seems if they were going to use it we would have heard more by now. But who knows?
 
I rather tend to believe that Casey was on more of a party drug or cocaine - I don't think she was addicted to crack or heroin and she;d be having some major withdrawals.

Overosing of socaine and Ecstasy are both known to cause seizures.

My guess would be Ecstasy.
 
I rather tend to believe that Casey was on more of a party drug or cocaine - I don't think she was addicted to crack or heroin and she;d be having some major withdrawals.

Overosing of socaine and Ecstasy are both known to cause seizures.

My guess would be Ecstasy.

You are probably right on the money there Poco.
I focused more on Xanax since it was specifically mentioned in my case (as I don't partake of Ecstasy and Cocaine lol) and b/c of all the Zanny the Nanny talk. But it is much more realistic in her case the Ecstasy or Cocaine - and like you I lean towards "E" because it is such a popular party drug in the club crowd and does cause incidental seizures that have nothing to do with brain tumors, epilepsy, etc. BTW, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Poco's Cat in your signature!!! I have a very furry black cat who likes to flop on his back, and my fiance always says he'd like to put him in a pair of boxers so he could scratch Al Bundy style while holding the remote and drinking a beer - we've both had a good laugh out of your siggy!! Thanks!!
 
Should I move this to the rant thread? :D I'll be glad to since this is a sensitive subject for me, and therefore a VERY LONG POST! Please just PM me if you feel I need to move or delete it. Thanks!
I appreciate your post, it helps me understand. I hope I didn't make you feel bad bringing it up again, it just bothers me. Why would her mom bring it up to the police? Like you, I don't think it would have anything to do with it, but it might explain why she has been raised as she was. Not that it is an excuse, but I can totally see grandma going over board. And I can see this coming up somewhere down the line. Some people abuse a situation, right or wrong, for whatever suits them.

I'm sorry I made you upset, really. And I admire you a great deal.
 
I am glad seem to be doing well, this is some frightening stuff. Good luck with your surgery.

My epileptic son is extrememly combative, violent, and argumentative before and after his seizures. So much so that I am scared to death that should he have one in the wrong public surroundings he will be harmed.

I don't think we have any additional information on Casey's follow up treatment or on the seizure itself. But it seems if they were going to use it we would have heard more by now. But who knows?

I'm so sorry to hear about your son's seizures. Those must be terrifying for you and him both and my heart goes out to your family.

I tend to agree that if seizures were going to be a line of defense for her we would have heard something by now, unless they are waiting to spring it on us during a trial if it is 100% proven that she murdered Caylee (though in my mind it already has been) - especially if Caylee's body is recovered and she becomes desperate for some kind of medical defense.
 
Riley, I am so so sorry. I didn't mean to imply your post made me upset. It didn't at all. I should have been more clear in the way I stated my points. Please forgive me. :blowkiss:

What I get angry about has nothing to do with anything that is posted here as a question, but at the possibility that Baez will try to use the seizures in her defense at trial. I guess it is silly for me to get so heated about it until (or if he ever) does try that approach. Again, I really respect your post and am very sorry that it came out sounding like I was upset by your post. I promise you I'm not and truly appreciate your gracious reply! :rose:

I appreciate your post, it helps me understand. I hope I didn't make you feel bad bringing it up again, it just bothers me. Why would her mom bring it up to the police? Like you, I don't think it would have anything to do with it, but it might explain why she has been raised as she was. Not that it is an excuse, but I can totally see grandma going over board. And I can see this coming up somewhere down the line. Some people abuse a situation, right or wrong, for whatever suits them.

I'm sorry I made you upset, really. And I admire you a great deal.
 
I'm so sorry to hear about your son's seizures. Those must be terrifying for you and him both and my heart goes out to your family.

I tend to agree that if seizures were going to be a line of defense for her we would have heard something by now, unless they are waiting to spring it on us during a trial if it is 100% proven that she murdered Caylee (though in my mind it already has been) - especially if Caylee's body is recovered and she becomes desperate for some kind of medical defense.
Thanks Wishing tree. My son's seizures do not terrify him because he doesn't remember a thing :) lol. I am used to them by now, he is 21. There have been some doozies though.
I can see my son doing any number of strange behaviors before or after a seizure. But he certainly wouldn't create a reality surrounding the events that he doesn't recall. So, unless she has some sort of brain tumor or lesion that would really alter her behavior, memory , impulses, and ability to speak the truth, I can't imagine this seizure would have much to do with anything.

When is your surgery?
 
I read a myspace message where 2 guys were laughing about having to take C to the hospital, and one of them said, HAHA I cant believe what her mom said about her "seizure".

Cant remember how far back the messages were posted, or what their initials were (the cast of characters just keeps growing and growing) but I'm sure it was within the last year and a half.
 
Thanks Wishing tree. My son's seizures do not terrify him because he doesn't remember a thing :) lol. I am used to them by now, he is 21. There have been some doozies though.
I can see my son doing any number of strange behaviors before or after a seizure. But he certainly wouldn't create a reality surrounding the events that he doesn't recall. So, unless she has some sort of brain tumor or lesion that would really alter her behavior, memory , impulses, and ability to speak the truth, I can't imagine this seizure would have much to do with anything.

When is your surgery?

Wow JBean, I totally understand, and send my :blowkiss: out to you and your son. Is he seeing a neuro or an epileptologist?

My daughter (now 25) and I both have seizures, and they are very different. Hers are the gran mal (generalized) seizures, and she has had them since aged 9. They are very violent, but she does not get violent with anyone. She could conceivably hurt someone that was trying to hold her down (wrong thing to do with a seizure patient anyway), but does not "act out" violently. It changed a bit when she was pregnant, and she had some sz that are termed "complex partial sz". In those, she didn't lose total consciousness, just partial. She walked around, doing weird things that we had never experienced with her before. Not getting violent or anything, just strange. Ran down the street in her pj's, trying to get away from "the smoke" ????? She never remembers anything when she recovers either.

My seizures on the other hand are 90% either simple partial seizures or complex partial seizures. All depends on if I lose any portion of consciousness. I usually stay in one place, although I may try to get to my family. I will say though, that I have very infrequently had some major, major issues with memory loss, proven to be caused by seizures. I have lost entire days due to seizures, and noone could even tell I was having a seizure. This is a VERY rare form of epilepsy, and I am NOT EVEN suggesting it is what happened to Casey. She obviously remembered her seizure.

One time, I was on a business trip, got a migraine in the airport, turned into a seizure I guess after I got on the plane. The plane diverted due to weather I guess to Lord knows where, and they put us up in a hotel for the night. I had no clue where I was or why I was there. I just followed the crowd and somehow, got to the right hotel. Luckily, I guess when DH called that night, I was coherent enough not to scare the bejeepers out of him, because I know I was several states away from him. Somehow I got back to the airport in the morning and got on the right plane and flew home. To this day, I don't know where I went, where I stayed, and how I got back to the airport. It was shortly after that incident that I left my job on disability. Never went back. Social Security and my private insurance both accepted my claim.

In order to use seizures as a defense, they would have to have a serious, long medical history here of bizarre behavior that could be attributed to epilepsy. Then, some serious medical tests run to prove it, by some very, very competent docs. Even then, if it was drugs/alcohol that was causing "seizures", it would be determined not to be epilepsy, rather that her life-style brought on the seizures, so she was still responsible for her actions.

Sure would hate to see them go down this track. Can't see it working, and can see it backfiring on them big time.

JMO - sorry for the long post. Sensitive subject for me too I guess, just thinking about them coming up at the last minute as an excuse when only the 1 seizure has been brought up. Stranger things have happened tho.
 
I read a myspace message where 2 guys were laughing about having to take C to the hospital, and one of them said, HAHA I cant believe what her mom said about her "seizure".

Cant remember how far back the messages were posted, or what their initials were (the cast of characters just keeps growing and growing) but I'm sure it was within the last year and a half.

They all know that her hospital and dr's records will be subpoenaed, especially since she had that undisclosed hold the first time she was in the po-po. We know from what the players have yammered on tv that she had a medical eval. I would lay money that her "seizure" was simply a bad drug reaction--otherwise you can bet your bottom dollar if Casey had any kind of epilepsy or seizure disorder Cindy would have been screaming it from the rooftops.
 
{{{hugs}}} to all that live with seizures in their day to day life.

My daughter's seizures started at 5 months. She was diagnosed shortly after the first series with a neurological disorder and seizures are just one of the symptoms.
 
I have a seizure disorder. I just started back on Dilantin and Klonopin to see if this combo will work better than all the other crap I've been on. I know I don't remember things before, during, and up to two days after I have a seizure. I've been told I do some pretty bizarre things before and after the seizure, but I've never lost one of my children or my grandbaby!!!! If she had a seizure and noticed Caylee wasn't with her when she "returned" to normal (whatever that is for her!), don't you think a sane parent would call LE for help? Geez, for the first six months of my grandbaby's life, I didn't feel comfortable being left alone with her because of my seizures!

I have noticed that with the Klonopin, I do sleep better, so I am not as tired as I was before. And it does help with anxiety. And yes, I know that Klonopin is addicting, but I'd rather take that chance than worry about having seizures all the dang time. As Jelly pointed out, sleep depraivation can cause seizures, and I suffer terribly from insomnia. I can go three or four days without sleeping. Now, at least I can get four or five hours of sleep a night. (Sorry I made this all about ME!)

If Casey has a seizure disorder Cindy would be yelling from the public square about it. I think that if her seizure was a one-time deal, it was probably brought on by a drug overdose or withdrawal from any number of drugs or alcohol. JMO

O/T...Hey Jelly! Guess who is walking????:blowkiss:
 
Anyone who has ever had friends or relatives in party hard mode might know that cocaine induced siezures are actually a sought after state in some abusers...I know one fellow who abused cocaine and xanex (code name "zani's"-ironically, just like zani the nanny) and he began having siezures when he was around 36 years old and continued to have them as he continued in his habit of abuse...

I have wondered if "zani" was actually "xani" and if Casey was in fact drugging poor Caylee to keep her sound asleep in the car while she partied hard...perhaps in the trunk...
 
For the record I am intimately acquainted with epilepsy, as my brother has had the condition since he was 16 years old...
 
I have a seizure disorder. I just started back on Dilantin and Klonopin to see if this combo will work better than all the other crap I've been on. I know I don't remember things before, during, and up to two days after I have a seizure. I've been told I do some pretty bizarre things before and after the seizure, but I've never lost one of my children or my grandbaby!!!! If she had a seizure and noticed Caylee wasn't with her when she "returned" to normal (whatever that is for her!), don't you think a sane parent would call LE for help? Geez, for the first six months of my grandbaby's life, I didn't feel comfortable being left alone with her because of my seizures!

I have noticed that with the Klonopin, I do sleep better, so I am not as tired as I was before. And it does help with anxiety. And yes, I know that Klonopin is addicting, but I'd rather take that chance than worry about having seizures all the dang time. As Jelly pointed out, sleep depraivation can cause seizures, and I suffer terribly from insomnia. I can go three or four days without sleeping. Now, at least I can get four or five hours of sleep a night. (Sorry I made this all about ME!)

If Casey has a seizure disorder Cindy would be yelling from the public square about it. I think that if her seizure was a one-time deal, it was probably brought on by a drug overdose or withdrawal from any number of drugs or alcohol. JMO

O/T...Hey Jelly! Guess who is walking????:blowkiss:
Hi Tez :blowkiss: Thanks for sharing your experiences. You and my son make quite a pair. :)






O/T WALKING? Bless her heart :woohoo:
 
What was weird last night as I lay awake at 2am watching House.. they had this seizure patient and her infant son as characters and the episode slowing unravelled that alcoholics can lose the ability to create niacin which makes you insane if you do not have.. and this lady had a seizure while trying to drown her baby because of an inner connected conflict of what she was doing.

I found it interesting though I cannot remember all the details of the scenario and cannot be certain its very accurate but maybe theres a connection to the seizures she has or hasn't had.
 
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/casey-anthony-arrest-affidavit-dated-71608/

4th paragraph from the bottom shows where jesse grund apparently took casey anthony to the hospital for a seizure.


i remember hearing about this a while ago, but nothing seems to have come of it and it slipped my mind til i came across it again.

i know people who have said they have had "seizures", but they weren't really seizures, they were just shaking a lot due to panic or nerves or something else.

only a doctor can diagnose seizures. i wonder what her medical history indicates. anyone know anything?

sorry if this was brought up before.
 
I think this is interesting also and definitely worth discussing. I'd love to see the medical records from that visit, that's probably the only way to really know something. Or to hear JG's account on what went down that day. It could have been anything knowing (or not knowing) Casey. Could have been drugs, an actual illness, or attention getting behavior. All are certainly possible.
 
Believe it or not, there is a discussion thread on this somewhere amongst all of the threads in this forum......................
 
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