CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #2

[Foxfire]

Yes, these have already been mentioned in this thread. While they do fracture, they do not disintegrate, and they do still leave forensic evidence -- and nothing about the window shatterings has suggested they were used. If they had been used in even one of the window shatterings, LE would be all over it. So, it's a nice theory, but it has nothing to do with the window shatterings.

<BBM for Focus>

Frangibles, absolutely do disintegrate and leave no visible evidence to the unsuspecting LEO's naked eye. Many only leave a powdery substance as residue and could be easily confused with being the result of the normal powdery substance residue left after any accidental window shattering...

Car window shatterings are commonly written off by LE as being the result of road debris for obvious reasons. Many, if not most times, random shootings by snipers would also be considered as isolated incidents of road rage by LE. As in the 2014 KC Sniper; Mohammad Whitacker, trail of terror. The dots were not connected until a pattern of highway and roadway shootings were identified by a police analyst. This is due to jurisdictional linkage blindness/lack of communication between law enforcement agencies. There were four Kansas City cases and three cases from other cities that bore similarities.

There is no logical explanation for CR having three entrance/exit wounds to her neck other than a frangible bullet, imo.

It is very doubtful if task force investigators would release this hold back info to the public, as only the shooter would know whether frangibles were used.. Frangibles which shatters into many small pieces on impact, also cause gun barrel tinning, which prevents positive ballistic identification..

Colorado police check if killing linked to 2 other shootings
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/04/us/colorado-shootings/

Local APRIL 11, 2014
Police link 12 area roadway shootings
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article344861/Police-link-12-area-roadway-shootings.html
Investigators first noticed the pattern of highway and roadway shootings in early April, when a police analyst identified four Kansas City cases and three cases from other cities that bore similarities. Police eventually identified about 20 shooting cases from March and April that could be related.

Other frangible bullets are made from a matrix of powdered copper and nylon. These are injection molded and also completely disintegrate
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2011/3/25/frangible-ammo/

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/bg160?pg=4

ICC Ammo Frangible Ammunition Booth Ballistics gel testing Shot Show 2014
[video=youtube;9pBrwFld-V4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pBrwFld-V4[/video]

 

[Hatfield]

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Frangibles, absolutely do disintegrate and leave no visible evidence to the unsuspecting LEO's naked eye. Many only leave a powdery substance as residue and could be easily confused with being the result of the normal powdery substance residue left after any accidental window shattering...

Car window shatterings are commonly written off by LE as being the result of road debris for obvious reasons. Many, if not most times, random shootings by snipers would also be considered as isolated incidents of road rage by LE. As in the 2014 KC Sniper; Mohammad Whitacker, trail of terror. The dots were not connected until a pattern of highway and roadway shootings were identified by a police analyst. This is due to jurisdictional linkage blindness/lack of communication between law enforcement agencies. There were four Kansas City cases and three cases from other cities that bore similarities.

There is no logical explanation for CR having three entrance/exit wounds to her neck other than a frangible bullet, imo.

It is very doubtful if task force investigators would release this hold back info to the public, as only the shooter would know whether frangibles were used.. Frangibles which shatters into many small pieces on impact, also cause gun barrel tinning, which prevents positive ballistic identification..

Colorado police check if killing linked to 2 other shootings
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/04/us/colorado-shootings/

Local APRIL 11, 2014
Police link 12 area roadway shootings
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article344861/Police-link-12-area-roadway-shootings.html
Investigators first noticed the pattern of highway and roadway shootings in early April, when a police analyst identified four Kansas City cases and three cases from other cities that bore similarities. Police eventually identified about 20 shooting cases from March and April that could be related.

Other frangible bullets are made from a matrix of powdered copper and nylon. These are injection molded and also completely disintegrate
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2011/3/25/frangible-ammo/

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/bg160?pg=4

ICC Ammo Frangible Ammunition Booth Ballistics gel testing Shot Show 2014
[video=youtube;9pBrwFld-V4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pBrwFld-V4[/video]

Thanks Foxfire so much.

Until last night and just now after reading your great link, I really did not fully understand "Frangible" bullets until I learned how they are built. I had badly assumed they were just a type of hollow point that broke apart easily but that was a wrong assumption on my part.

The KEY to these type of bullets is in how they are structured and built. They have inside components that are purposely built to fall apart. The Glaser type have small BBs inside and your great article describe even better frangibles that would basically turn to dust.
So Frangibles really are much different than what I realized and much more effective at leaving little to no evidence at the scene.

Most were originally designed to prevent accidents at shooting ranges so there is no richochets off of steel drop down targets.
Criminals and perps could use them to have no traceable evidence left at the scene of a shooting. Because investigators cannot check the bullet grooves of a barrel on the bullet because the bullet disintegrates upon impact.

I learned an important lesson of thinking i knew what something was when I really did not fully understand how frangibles are constructed. Its quite fascinating. Some of the frangibles even have no jacket at all. From your great link below, we see this....

"They have no jacket, and the powdered metal breaks into dust upon impact with any harder material, such as a target's steel. Other frangible bullets are made from a matrix of powdered copper and nylon. These are injection molded and also completely disintegrate upon impact."


http://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2011/3/25/frangible-ammo/

 

[Forager]

I've just been reading and enjoying the series of three posts by Hatfield, Montjoy and Foxfire about frangible ammunition. Hatfield's observation that you could shoot someone with your own, registered gun without forensics being able to tie it back to you was chilling. I had to agree with Montjoy's point, though, that the particular ammunition Hatfield mentions doesn't seem to be involved in the NOCO shootings. But other frangible ammunition could well have, as Foxfire points out.

While I'm fascinated by the subject of frangible ammunition, I don't think that we even have to rely on it as an explanation of why we have seen no ballistic evidence in connection with the I-25 window shatterings, most of which I firmly believe were deliberate acts. BBs or pellets shattering windows and bouncing off of them onto the roadway seem a sufficient explanation to me. It's the motive that has me stumped.

 

[Foxfire]

When you combine the sudden creation of a Task Force which consists of multiple LEAs, the FBI, and other unnamed Federal LEAs, the multiple unexplained highway car window shatterings in the same approximate geographical area, two random victim's deaths and one injury from gunshots in normally safe areas. A reward offered by the FBI of $10,000.00 which was later doubled to $20,000.00+ for unexplained reasons..

A vehicle of interest sketch was released. Then the NOCO Sniper goes dormant for over a month...windows cease being shattered by mysterious side winding road debris.. no more innocent north CO victims killed or injured... an ISIS jihadist lone wolf from CO coincidentally appears in Glendale, CA charged with the Axe-murder of his elderly grandparents and then complete Silence by the NOCO Task Force PIO and the Glendale CA PD/FBI Counter-Terrorism Task Force...as well as deafening silence by the CO and CA ms media..

ISIS jihadist lone wolf Nathaniel Wayne Scheiern had registered to participate in a charity walk in Denver, CO on 07/07/2015, but was instead scheduled to be arraigned five days ago in CA, on July 21/2015 in connection with the axe-murders of 82-year-old Verna Scheiern and 77-year-old William Scheiern. Yet there was no report of an arraignment or rescheduling.. Why not?

Imo, a reasonable explanation would be that this has become a combined federal terrorism investigation and federal charges have been levied or are pending and the US Attorney is now in charge of the investigation/s.....


The US Attorney General shall have primary investigative responsibility for all Federal crimes of terrorism..
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332b

 

[Forager]

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Imo, a reasonable explanation would be that this has become a combined federal terrorism investigation and federal charges have been levied or are pending and the US Attorney is now in charge of the investigation/s.....

The US Attorney General shall have primary investigative responsibility for all Federal crimes of terrorism..
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332b

I'm having a hard time fitting the NOCO situation into the definition in the link you provide to 18 U.S. Code § 2332b - Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries. Don't get me wrong. I agree that the NOCO shootings and shatterings look like they are what I would call "terrorism", and maybe even "Islamist terrorism", and I do suspect a Federal anti-terrorism involvement in the investigation. But they don't seem to fit the bill for of "Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries".

Even assuming Nathaniel Scheiern's involvement, we have nothing past his internet posts of ISIS material to establish "conduct occurring outside of the United States in addition to the conduct occurring in the United States". You can't be a 'lone wolf' and have foreign connections, can you?

Nor do we seem to have an offense that "is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct... ." If the shooter(s) are trying to affect the conduct of government, the are being very subtle about it. The Romero, Jacoby and Cannole shootings came without any declarations, and most people are still trying to figure out if the window shattering were even deliberate.

If Homeland Security is involved, does that mean that the NOCO Task Force probably has reasons, as yet unseen by us, to suspect those missing links?

 

[Foxfire]

I'm having a hard time fitting the NOCO situation into the definition in the link you provide to 18 U.S. Code § 2332b - Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries. Don't get me wrong. I agree that the NOCO shootings and shatterings look like they are what I would call "terrorism", and maybe even "Islamist terrorism", and I do suspect a Federal anti-terrorism involvement in the investigation. But they don't seem to fit the bill for of "Acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries".

Even assuming Nathaniel Scheiern's involvement, we have nothing past his internet posts of ISIS material to establish "conduct occurring outside of the United States in addition to the conduct occurring in the United States". You can't be a 'lone wolf' and have foreign connections, can you?

Nor do we seem to have an offense that "is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct... ." If the shooter(s) are trying to affect the conduct of government, the are being very subtle about it. The Romero, Jacoby and Cannole shootings came without any declarations, and most people are still trying to figure out if the window shattering were even deliberate.

If Homeland Security is involved, does that mean that the NOCO Task Force probably has reasons, as yet unseen by us, to suspect those missing links?

Forager, that is why I begin or end statements with; Imo, when it is a theory or my opinion. Lone wolves are being recruited within the country by ISIS/ISIL as sleepers. It has been over a year since the 2014 KC sniper case, by Mohammad Whitaker, yet no motive has been revealed. Actually, I don't think a motive has been released as of yet for the DC Sniper case in 2002 by John Allen Muhammad and &#8206;Lee Boyd Malvo. Imo, the drawings by Malvo painted a portrait as to their true intentions and motive.. Al Qaeda suggested lone wolf jihadists use random shootings as a terrorist tactic shortly after 09/11/2001..


Homeland Security Chief: Terrorist Sleeper Cells In U.S., Poised To Attack
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And the ability to recruit and communicate through social media has only strengthened the ability to inspire lone wolves since the days just after 9/11, he said.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/02/0...hief-terrorist-sleeper-cells-us-poised-attack
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Northern Colorado Law Agencies Issue Statement on Shootings 06/19/2015
http://www.kgwn.tv/home/headlines/N...s-Issue-Statement-on-Shootings-308529161.html
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We can tell you that the major players in the task force include the police departments from the cities of Windsor and Loveland as well as both the Larimer and Weld County Sheriff&#8217;s and District Attorney&#8217;s Offices and obviously many resources from the FBI. A handful of other agencies are participating at different levels, but we won&#8217;t be naming those agencies at this time. At any given time, there may be investigators active in the field, staff monitoring tip lines, analysts reviewing data that has been compiled, technicians preparing reports, lab personnel analyzing evidence, prosecutors reviewing warrant applications, commanders adjusting strategies, officers on the street looking for suspicious activity, or any number of other experts
providing their specialized expertise.
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NATHANIEL SCHEIERN POSTED BEHEADING VIDEO BEFORE GRANDPARENTS' SLAYING
http://www.westword.com/news/nathan...ing-video-before-grandparents-slaying-6892252

Jul 10, 2015 - Nathaniel Scheiern has been arrested for the murders of his ... prompted local police to coordinate with the FBI's counter-terrorism task force.
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech...recruit-americans-and-order-killings-20150708
FBI Director: ISIS Is Relying on Encryption to Recruit Americans and Order Killings
Jul 8, 2015 - "This is not your grandfather's al-Qaida," Comey told the Senate Judiciary ... almost a devil on their shoulder all day long saying, 'Kill, kill, kill, kill.

 

[bessie]

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