Conrad Murray trial -Day three.

[HatesSociopaths]

Jermaine was a part of his security team???? I have never heard that either. Didn't Jermaine live abroad for some time?

If it is common knowledge then the media would know about it and I have never heard this before until now.

For all we know it could have been someone staying at the casino and MJ may have mentioned the kids were sick and they recommended Murray.

IMO

I don't know, but maybe we will learn more during the trial how they met. Lots of rumors about all this. One thing I've noticed about the doctor, the security, and Jermaine is they all appear to be Muslim. Jermaine could have been MJ's assistant or something, I don't know. She said something about how he got MJ to go to Bahrain.

 

[Soulmagent]

I don't know, but maybe we will learn more during the trial how they met. Lots of rumors about all this. One thing I've noticed about the doctor, the security, and Jermaine is they all appear to be Muslim. Jermaine could have been MJ's assistant or something, I don't know. She said something about how he got MJ to go to Bahrain.

I noticed that too.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't know, but maybe we will learn more during the trial how they met. Lots of rumors about all this. One thing I've noticed about the doctor, the security, and Jermaine is they all appear to be Muslim. Jermaine could have been MJ's assistant or something, I don't know. She said something about how he got MJ to go to Bahrain.

Michael Jackson never adopted the Muslim faith. And yes, Jermaine tried his best to convert him but was never successful.

You think Alberto Alvarez is Muslim???

From what one of the security guards said on one of the tv shows was Michael and the children had just come back from Ireland (Not Bahrain) and the kids had colds. Probably due to the climate change.

A lot of people in our country are of Muslim faith today. So I am not sure what you are getting at? Sorry.

But I have googled and googled and never saw where Jermaine Jackson was a part of his security team or anyone else in his family for that matter.

I doubt that he would hire any of his siblings since he tried to distance himself from them because they always seem to have their hand out wanting money.

I do think he was close to his mother and Janet though and Randy.

IMO

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Michael Jackson never adopted the Muslim faith. And yes, Jermaine tried his best to convert him but was never successful.

You think Alberto Alvarez is Muslim???

From what one of the security guards said on one of the tv shows was Michael and the children had just come back from Ireland (Not Bahrain) and the kids had colds. Probably due to the climate change.

A lot of people in our country are of Muslim faith today. So I am not sure what you are getting at? Sorry.

But I have googled and googled and never saw where Jermaine Jackson was a part of his security team or anyone else in his family for that matter.

I doubt that he would hire any of his siblings since he tried to distance himself from them because they always seem to have their hand out wanting money.

I do think he was close to his mother and Janet though and Randy.

IMO

I hadn't checked on Alvarez, but just did:

Alberto Alvarez Is a member of the NOI.
The following excerpt is from the "Final Call", the NOI newspaper:

Testimonies at Sedona Mxodus Retreat continues
By Mother Tynnetta Muhammad Updated Jul 22, 2008
“This journey was very spiritual and meaningful to me for many reasons, but especially because this event manifested something that I have dreamed and worked for, for many years. To see the Black, Brown and Red families come together in peace, unity, cultural exchange and with an economic agenda we can ALL benefit from. With project MXODUS, we can bring in a change to the way we conduct business and present a new business paradigm where we can show what we can accomplish when we come together and pool our resources. I pray that Allah (God) will grant us success. I am humbled and honored to be a part of such a Spiritual and Divine mission that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad has set in motion many years ago. Thank you for letting me serve.—Alberto Alvarez, Pomona, California, of Mexican Descent

http://xxserenityxdreamsxx.blogspot.com/2011/04/dont-sully-michael-jacksons-character_9191.html


The security that was in place was by a company called SECURITY MEASURES. Based in LA. The actual owner (of Security Measures) is from the Nation of Islam.

Security Measures in Los Angeles, CA is a private company categorized under Security Systems Consultants. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $500,000 to $1 million and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4. Companies like Security Measures usually offer: Security Company, Physical Security Consulting, Fingerprint Locks, Security Expert and Security Consulting.

http://www.manta.com/c/mm4x1vr/security-measures


Searching around some more, I found this:

Jackson to Fire Islam Bodyguards
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New York Post 12/31/2003 Michael Jackson's Contact with the Nation of Islam - Michael Jackson is sick of his aggressive Nation of Islam bodyguards and wants to fire them, sources told The Post yesterday. Jackson's relatives and business associates are shopping around for other security outfits, a source said.

Fierce Nation of Islam guards have been on Jackson's hip since mid-November, when Santa Barbara County, Calif., authorities busted the King of Pop for allegedly molesting a young boy earlier this year.

But now, the family believes bringing the controversial group into their camp--first reported by The Post--was a bad idea because the Nation of Islam protectors have gone overboard in keeping Jackson away from his closest confidants.

Other than a provocative interview on "60 Minutes" Sunday night, few people--even his own family--have been able to see Jackson. Leonard Muhammad, a top Nation of Islam official and group leader Louis Farrakhan's son-in-law, even stood behind Jackson defense lawyer Mark Geragos during a recent press conference. "Everyone who has dealt with Michael for years, from his lawyers to family, [is] afraid," said a source familiar with Jackson's current security arrangement. "They're intimidated and no one can get in touch with Michael."

Sources told The Post that Jackson's brothers Jermaine--an orthodox Muslim, not a Nation of Islam member--and Tito hired the singer's current bodyguards. But Michael has sided with his mom, Catherine, and his father, Joe, in seeking new security, said a source.

A family friend said Jackson was caught off guard by the Nation of Islam's tough "Secret Service-style" ways. "Michael's someone not used to this intensity that was provided by the Nation," said a family friend. "They're very thorough, and their main focus is protecting Michael, even if that meant protecting Michael from his own family at times. And that's made Michael and the Jackson family very uncomfortable."

http://www.freeminds.org/sociology/other/jackson-to-fire-islam-bodyguards.html

Leonard Muhammad is the Chief-of-Staff of the Nation of Islam.[1]
He is the son-in-law of Minister Louis Farrakhan. His wife, Donna Farrakhan Muhammad, is the second female minister in the Nation of Islam.[2]
In 2003, he became an adviser to Michael Jackson.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Muhammad[/ame]

Minister Louis Farrakhan said Sunday he was asked by a lawyer to counsel Michael Jackson seven days before the entertainer's death. But Farrakhan took a scheduled trip to Africa and wasn't able to speak to him. Addressing 2,000 followers at Mosque Maryam, the Nation of Islam headquarters on the South Side, Farrakhan described Jackson as a "messianic voice" and an "archangel of sound, song and dance," as he called Jackson a victim of "Zionist leaders," the U.S. government and the media.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/entertain...mes-michael-jacksons-death-jews#ixzz1ZY0xhlH6

Entity Name: SECURITY MEASURES, INC.
Entity Number: C2955500
Date Filed: 10/05/2006
Status: SUSPENDED
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 23890 COOPER HILL DR STE 238
Entity City, State, Zip: VALENCIA CA 91354
Agent for Service of Process: STEVEN KEHOLR
Agent Address: 23890 COOPER HILL DR STE 238
Agent City, State, Zip: VALENCIA CA 91354

http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/cbs.aspx

That appears to be a different company, but it is the ONLY company in California with that name, per above state website.

Trying to find the actual owner of "Security Measures" in LA has proven to be a very hard task. Was this a real company?

Where does it all lead?

I am suspicious of MJ being given Propifol like he was, and I want to understand better how he became addicted to it. Was CM the one who started regularly injecting him with it? Did someone tell him to do that? And who did bring in CM in the very beginning?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Michael Jackson’s Last TV Interview: Michael & His Love Of Cameras (Ireland, Nov. 2006)

http://www.accesshollywood.com/mich...ove-of-cameras-ireland-oct-2006_video_1130275

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am getting a little confused.

The Free Spirit article is date May 1, 2009

Yet the NYP article quoted is dated way back in 12-31-03.:waitasec:

We all know back then the NOI came in and volunteered their services during the allegations of abuse. Geragos was an idiot to even let those men around MJ at such a fragile time in his life.

In November 2006 he was still in Ireland..he returned to LV at the end of the year.

Maybe MJ had fired the ones he felt were bullies. These three men seem to do exactly what MJ wanted including being very respectful to his fans. It seems MJ was finally calling the shots.......not the guards. Maybe the riff raft had been culled. Alberto had only been back a few months before he died and Williams had been there about a year I think.



IMO

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I am getting a little confused.

The Free Spirit article is date May 1, 2009

Yet the NYP article quoted is dated way back in 12-31-03.:waitasec:

We all know back then the NOI came in and volunteered their services during the allegations of abuse. Geragos was an idiot to even let those men around MJ at such a fragile time in his life.

In November 2006 he was still in Ireland..he returned to LV at the end of the year.

Maybe MJ had fired the ones he felt were bullies. These three men seem to do exactly what MJ wanted including being very respectful to his fans. It seems MJ was finally calling the shots.......not the guards. Maybe the riff raft had been culled. Alberto had only been back a few months before he died and Williams had been there about a year I think.



IMO

The common thread between then and now appears to be Louis Farrakhan, who Jermaine is a follower of.

Jermaine in his book says that he introduced Thome Thome to MJ, also.

Who introduced CM to MJ? A member of the security team? Which one, and how did he know of a cardiologist in Vegas?

http://www.showbiz411.com/2011/09/1...athers-abuse-but-michael-was-terrified-of-him

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Dr. David Adams -- a Las Vegas anesthesiologist -- put Michael under with Propofol on 4 separate occasions in 2008.

Dr. Murray's lawyers want him to testify in the manslaughter case about MJs "behavior and reactions while under the drug and also how he responded to the administration of the drug."

Dr. Adams vehemently objected to being subpoenaed, claiming he's a "low-key individual" and he's already lost business because of getting dragged into the case.

Nonetheless, TMZ has obtained a court order from a Las Vegas judge that forces Adams to testify.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/12/micha...hter-case-propofol-drugs-defense-trial-order/

What did MJ need in 2008 that required Propofol? Did this begin the addiction to Propofol?

Further, Mr. Blau advised tha t Dr. Adams is a material witness whom the defense wishes to call; he is
an anesthesiologist wh o administered Propofo l as a sedative to Michael Jackson on four separate
occasions prior to his death

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0511_jackson.pdf

As a sedative?

. Dr. Adams was Michael Jacksons
anesthesiologist starin g in 2008 and did administer anesthesia t o Michael Jackson for dental
procedures.

Th e last time he saw Michael Jackson was in December 2008. Michael Jackson died in
June 2009

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0511_jackson.pdf

So did MJ like the stuff so much from the dental work he had done that he wanted to use it recreationally? Were these really dental procedures?

Physicians Trauma Anesthesia: Adams David J DO

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?h...b379a3,Las+Vegas,+NV&cid=17779293045760265204

The defense team also knows that Michael Jackson received Propofol while he was in Germany and Dubai, but the lawyers don't have the names of the administering doctors yet, because they haven't received full discovery from the Los Angeles District Attorney's office, according to the source. Once those names become available, "Those doctors would most likely be called to testify for Dr. Murray's defense," the insider reveals.

http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/dr-david-adams

When was he in Germany and Dubai? Were those propofol injections for "dental work" too?

A Las Vegas doctor says Dr. Conrad Murray was lying when he told LAPD detectives he watched the Vegas doc administer Propofol to Michael Jackson earlier this year.

Liborius Agwara, the lawyer repping Dr. David Adams, tells TMZ his client never administered Propofol to Michael Jackson in a cosmetologist's office. According to the search warrant affidavit, Dr. Murray told LAPD detectives he was present when Dr. Adams administered the drug "sometime between March and April of this year."

Agwara would not say if Dr. Adams has ever administered Propofol to Jackson.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/25/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-liar-dr-david-adams-las-vegas/

 

[HatesSociopaths]

At least two unidentified doctors gave Jackson propofol in Germany. Between March and April 2009, Murray said he called Las Vegas doctor David Adams at Jackson’s request to arrange for Adams to administer propofol. Murray said he was present at a cosmetologist’s office, where Adams used propofol to sedate Jackson.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...esthetic-propofol-killed-michael-jackson.html

Whoever was treating Michael Jackson, may questions remain. Who was enabling what is looking more and more like a serious addiction to pain medication?

A new report says Jackson made the rounds at L.A. doctors' offices, often getting anesthesia for minor outpatient procedures that did not require anesthesia.

One medical sources, calling him "an anesthesia addict," says Jackson would get cosmetic surgery, collagen injections, Botox and acne treatment for which he would often be put under or sedated, even when it was not medically necessary.

Jackson would get controlled substances, such as Demerol, during and after these minor procedures. Police found the anesthesia Propofol in Jackson's house.

We're not rushing to judgment, or being critical, but evidence is piling up that Michael had an addiction to serious drugs. The million-dollar question remains: which doctors were happy to oblige him and with what specifically?



Read more celebrity gossip at: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2...jackson-prescription-treatment/#ixzz1ZYb0neiM

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I would think it began when he had some type of legitimate medical procedure and he found it could make him feel as if he had slept and felt rested once awake. He may have asked the doctors what they gave him.

It may have gone all the way back to the many surgeries he had when his head and scalp was severely burned and that would be in the 80s. Liking propofol to sleep and pain killer addiction from taking them so long for his burn injuries and surgeries pertaining to that.

In the 1996 overseas tour in Germany was the first time it was learned he had been administered propofol by a licensed anesthesiologist who had a mini-clinic with him.

He probably continued to request propofol if he had any procedures where he would be 'knocked out'. Such as cosmetic surgeries, skin disease eruptions and extensive dental work. I know dentist do use propofol or oral surgeons if the patient has a phobia or a low tolerance for pain. They even give it to small children so they will not be so angst when the dentist is trying to work on their mouth.

Since myths and grandiose embellishments are numerous when it comes to MJ I have seen no proof that Klein was giving him Demerol in abundance. All is listed on his invoice is IMs which can stand for many type drugs. I think the Demerol is a red herring in this case because if it was remotely true then Judge Pastor would have agreed that Klein needs to testify.

He certainly wasnt on propofol the months before his death or he wouldn't have hired Murray to do it. At one time (April) he was asking Nurse Lee if she knew someone or could do it.

They said when he was in Ireland in 2006 he was working on an album. So his mind would have once again been very bombarded with thoughts. He also said just being overseas made it hard for him to sleep. A totally different environment I suppose.

Also I think MJ felt destroyed during his trial. Imo, that was the hardest most emotional state MJ had ever encountered. Like Tom M. said 'I don't think he ever got over that'" and I agree. Even though he had picked himself up again I think he heart remained broken forever. That would have only aggravated the desperate need for sleep.

Now I do think that one of his body guards could have recommended Murray for his children in 2006 and MJ met him and liked him and how he treated him and his children. He did not see Murray often. Murray came to MJs home with one of his lady friends back in 2007. They were friends but true friends come more often. He was a casual acquaintance at that time, imo.

There is really no addiction of propofol. Now there could be a psychological one I suppose but it does not make someone high. In fact the entire time they are on it they feel they are asleep even when they are more in an induced coma state.

As far as the pain killer abuse I saw no evidence that MJ was actively addicted and using pain killers at the time of his death. A lot of the bottles found had plenty of meds left in the bottle. Now I know at 50 that he had pains like any other 50 year old who had rigorously danced for a lot of their lives and had received injuries throughout his career. Whatever happens to someone when they are young usually will show up in full force again as they age. So MJ needing pain meds isnt rare for a man his age......it is the norm if they have held the same profession as MJ did since a small tiny boy.

The only drugs found in MJs system were only those Murray said he gave him and Demerol can be detected for 3-4 days afterward. And it was MURRAY himself who said he is the one that decided to give MJ this combination of drugs. MJ sure didn't have a clue he was going to die so there was no prior warning to flush his system of the drugs he had taken.

Since some of the bottles found had expired it would not surprise me at all if the propofol was left over from another time altogether. Some just don't throw meds away. My mother was the worst I have seen. I had to go through her medicine chest and take out all the expired meds so she wouldn't take them. Had I not, they would have remained there forever.

It does show though that Conrad Murray wasnt any different than all the others who used MJ for financial gain and really cared nothing about him as he did them. No wonder MJ had problems learning which adults to trust. He didnt want to be tied to his family's coattail and just have them alone so he ventured out like he thougt an adult should do and all the vultures swooped in.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

TMZ made such a big deal about the IMs shown on Klein's invoice to the state and claimed without any proof they were Demerol. IMO, speculation fed to them by the defense media leaker.

No where does it state this were Demerol injections.

It states they were intramuscular injections.

Botox is the most common noninvasive cosmetic procedure on the market today. Many consider it a simple and miraculous solution for forehead wrinkles, crows feet and the "11" lines that form between the eyebrows. While side effects to Botox injections are rare, they do occur. One of the most common adverse affects is a droopy eyelid.

Function
Botox Cosmetic is a purified form of botulinum toxin type A. The toxin is administered into specific facial muscles in a series of intramuscular injections. After the toxin is administered, it begins to block nerve transmissions in these muscles. Effects begin within a day or so after the injections and increase in intensity for about a week. The ideal result is a controlled paralysis that decreases or eliminates wrinkles in targeted areas. Botox induced paralysis is temporary, generally lasting three to four months.


Features
According the FDA-approved label, complications arise when the effects of the toxin extend beyond the intended area. Temporary drooping of an eyelid is the most frequently reported problem. Approximately 5 percent of patients reported some degree of this adverse event. Eyelid drooping is also known as transient ptosis. It can occur within hours of the injections or weeks afterward. The condition can last anywhere from less than a week to several months.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...sed+by+board+certified+dermatologist?&ct=clnk