DC Dc - Remains of Dorothy Butts, Jewel King, and Verdell Jeffers Found In Crawlspace/yard, Apr'18

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Sadly, there are so many possibilities about who these women might be. :(
 
This is near me. I just watched a brief presser on local TV.

The street, Wayne Place that meets Mississippi Ave, is being renovated. A few years ago, they knocked down a similar apartment home and built up a new one. The rest are from the '40s to '60s. Lots of apartments on that street.

A plumber found skeletal remains in the basement area while repairing plumbing in the apartment home. This led the local police to bring into cadaver dogs, which in turn, led to two more set of remains. The last two sets were outside near the apartment home, and they were buried together in a shallow grave. All sets were buried around the same time frame. They've been there for at least a year. They're confident DNA can be extracted. They're also working on separating the pair of remains' bones.

SE Washington was really bad in the '80s, '90s, and '00s. It started when the crack epidemic happened. When Prince George County in the neighbouring state of MD, started to build up, many people fled from SE to Prince Geroge's county.
 
[h=1]Remains of 2 Women Were Buried Together in Southeast DC Shallow Grave, Police Say[/h]
Two of the three sets of female remains found near a Southeast D.C. apartment building were buried together in a shallow grave more than a year ago, police say.

Police discovered the shallow grave in a wooded area behind the apartment building where, days before, construction crews found a human skull. Three sets of remains have been found, and all were identified as adult women.

The remains have been buried behind the apartment on the 100 block of Wayne Place Southeast for at least one year, Dr. Roger Mitchell Jr., the city's chief medical examiner, said. It appears that the three remains have been buried for about the same amount of time, Mitchell said at a press conference on Tuesday.

Once remains have been buried for longer than a year, establishing a timeline of burial and decomposition is more difficult, Mitchell said.
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DNA evidence from each woman will likely be available to compare to any living family members, Mitchell said. That evidence can also be compared against a national databse of missing persons.

A forensic anthropologist is working to determine identifying characteristics for the remains of the three women, including ancestry, age and stature. Because of the ongoing investigation, police declined to say if evidence of bodily trauma, clothing or personal affects were found near the burial sites.

Although few details are confirmed at this point, homicide detectives are investigating.
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The medical examiner's office said the remains were comingled in the shallow grave, which could mean the remains were buried without clothing.
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https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...er-in-Shallow-Grave-Police-Say-481292341.html
 
"We are cleaning and reconstructing the skeletal remains of each individual," said Roger Mitchell, Jr., a forensic pathologist who works for the city's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, during a press conference Monday afternoon.

Mitchell said the process is difficult in part because the two sets of remains found in the shallow grave were "co-mingled."
Investigators plan to construct biometric profiles for each set of remains, in order to identify the age, ancestry, and stature of the deceased person. Mitchell said the remains are at the very least a year old, but couldn't estimate how long they had been buried.
Mitchell added that investigators do have DNA samples for each female.
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"There is no doubt that if we get to a place where we have either a family or an individual to do DNA comparison, I'm quite certain that we have DNA to compare with," Mitchell said.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/skeletal-remains-of-three-females-found-near-d-c-construction-site/
 
***WARNING *** Pictures of the Actual Skeletal Remains Below Quotes

Construction workers who found the remains took pictures that showed a skull and other bones that appear to have been there for a very long time. There were no personal effects or clothing with the remains, according to one of the workers who found them.
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The construction worker who found the bones in the crawl space said they were confused at first on what to do.

"Some were thinking of putting them in a bag, but we decided not to because we don't know who the person was," said constructor worker Adam Escobar.

After police were alerted about the first set of remains, investigators arrived and began combing through the property and the wooded area behind it. That is where they found two additional sets of remains by cadaver dogs on Saturday. Both of them female, according to officials.
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Dr. Mitchell, a forensic pathologist, said the remains had been buried in the apartment’s back yard for at least a year, the amount of time needed for bodies to decompose to skeletons.

“The cause of the manner of death is still outstanding,” he said. “Once you’re beyond a year, it’s very difficult to gauge.”

The skeletons lack any soft tissue, complicating efforts to identify women and determine the cause of death, he said, adding that the remains were identified as belonging to women by their “distinctly female” pelvic bones.
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/30/officials-confirm-human-skeletal-remains-discovery/
 
Alfie said:
This is near me. I just watched a brief presser on local TV.

The street, Wayne Place that meets Mississippi Ave, is being renovated. A few years ago, they knocked down a similar apartment home and built up a new one. The rest are from the '40s to '60s. Lots of apartments on that street.

A plumber found skeletal remains in the basement area while repairing plumbing in the apartment home. This led the local police to bring into cadaver dogs, which in turn, led to two more set of remains. The last two sets were outside near the apartment home, and they were buried together in a shallow grave. All sets were buried around the same time frame. They've been there for at least a year. They're confident DNA can be extracted. They're also working on separating the pair of remains' bones.

SE Washington was really bad in the '80s, '90s, and '00s. It started when the crack epidemic happened. When Prince George County in the neighbouring state of MD, started to build up, many people fled from SE to Prince Geroge's county.
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Being buried together still has the clarkes’ on my mind


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Those remains pictures...oh man. I think it's gonna be a while before we get any ID on these 3 women. I hope I'm wrong!
 
These Apartments appear to be a government housing program called "The Wayne Place Project" that started in 2015:
Thursday, March 26, 2015

Housing program supports youth on their path to the middle class
(Washington, DC) – Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser and Deputy Mayor for Health and Human Services Brenda Donald opened a new transitional home for young people who need support to live independently and succeed. A partnership between the Child and Family Services Agency and the Department of Behavioral Health, the Wayne Place Project will help young men and women between the ages of 18-24 who might otherwise be homeless build the skills they need to be self-sufficient.

“Like any home, this is a place where young men and women can learn, grow, and take the next step to becoming well-balanced, independent adults,” said Mayor Bowser. “Living here, our young people will get expert support to help put them on a path to the middle class. They will be in school, working or getting the support they need to get a job.”

Wayne Place, a complex of six buildings with 22 two-bedroom apartments, will be home for up to 44 young people at a time.
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Prior to that program the buildings were vacant for 5 years:
The Wayne Place Project returns buildings vacant for about five years to community use. The renovation was managed by the District Department of General Services. The Wayne Place annual budget of $624,000 supports operational and administrative costs.
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Read more: https://dc.gov/release/mayor-bowser-opens-transitional-home-young-adults

I wonder how detailed of records they kept on who lived there the past 3 years?
Could these remains be from the 5 year period when the buildings were "vacant" -- 2010 - 2015 ish?
 
I agree, I think the late 90’s were really bad. Many went missing from NW and SE and it was not uncommon for the possibility of multiple serial killers to have been working the entire DC area
 
I think the remains may have been placed there when it was abandoned. less ppl around to see anything or smell anything.

Gardener1850 said:
These Apartments appear to be a government housing program called "The Wayne Place Project" that started in 2015:

Prior to that program the buildings were vacant for 5 years:

Read more: https://dc.gov/release/mayor-bowser-opens-transitional-home-young-adults

I wonder how detailed of records they kept on who lived there the past 3 years?
Could these remains be from the 5 year period when the buildings were "vacant" -- 2010 - 2015 ish?
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Lmustang89 said:
Hope they keep digging/searching for other possible victims. Just wow!!
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That were still searching today:

WASHINGTON - D.C. police knocked down a wall inside a building on Wayne Place Southeast, D.C. as they continued their search for more human remains after three sets were found last week.

Three sets of human remains, all female, have been found in a shallow grave and a crawl space since last Wednesday. But so far, none have been identified.

D.C. police used a number of tools, including a chainsaw to knock down a wall in the basement of 111 Wayne Place Southeast.
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There's an apartment building adjacent to the building where the remains of a female were found last Wednesday. The officers took down the wall, apparently after a cadaver dog indicated there may be something behind it.

Three dogs worked the neighborhood on Tuesday, including two from Fairfax County, and one from the D.C. Fire Department.
#DcsBravest Kylie is a 3 year old Shepherd certified in human remains detection, also known as a cadaver dog. She & handler Sargeant Gene Ryan have a played a crucial role assisting @DCPoliceDept & Medical Examiner in locating skeletal remains at Southeast DC investigation. pic.twitter.com/KJQpvfBkfN

— DC Fire and EMS (@dcfireems) May 1, 2018
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Their handlers took them into a wooded area across the street, as well as other buildings in the 100 block of Wayne Place.
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http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-ne...southeast-dc-apartment-using-cadaver-dogs-dna
 
On Monday, the Chief Medical Examiner said it was going to take some time to determine the "ages, ancestry and stature" of the women.
FOX 5 obtained photographs of the remains discovered in the crawl space. The man who discovered them said there were no personal effects and no clothing.
One way the medical examiner said he would try to identify the remains is through a department of justice program called "Namus," a web-based database devoted to matching unidentified remains with missing people.

Retired D.C. homicide investigator Jim Trainum says it is a searchable database, but there could be some roadblocks ahead to identify the bodies found on Wayne Place.
"The problem is going to be is they are going to have to track down the records and if these are old cases, those records may not be there. Plus you have to look at other jurisdictions. Prince George's County, counties in Virginia because who knows where those bodies came from and who knows how long they have been there at this point."
Trainum says though, that Namus has had its share of successes.
"Hopefully, in the processing of the crime scene, they will have some kind of time frame on when those bodies were placed there."
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http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-ne...southeast-dc-apartment-using-cadaver-dogs-dna
 
Police said they did not find anything in the Tuesday crawlspace search. However crews, including two K9 teams, will still be searching the grounds.
#ONLYON 9 tonight: I interviewed @dcfireems Sgt. Gene Ryan. He & his 3yo Shepherd-mix, Kylie, make-up the K9 team that found 2 sets of human remains on Saturday. They're an integral part to the @DCPoliceDept #SE #DC investigation. @wusa9 Here's some of the intv.: pic.twitter.com/lYqs5VDGsu

— Stephanie Ramirez (@RamirezReports) May 2, 2018​
WUSA9’s Stephanie Ramirez spoke to the handler on one of those teams, DC Fire and EMS Sgt. Gene Ryan. His teammate is a four-legged, 3-year-old shepherd-mix named, Kylie.

Kylie and Sgt. Ryan are the ones who made that "shallow grave" discovery.

"Our dogs can sense the orders that humans can't and particularly from people that are deceased. And in this case we used two dogs so that we can make sure they're smelling the right thing -- and in this case they've picked up that order in a couple of places,” said Sgt. Ryan.
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https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...vestigation-discusses-the-search/65-547827476

BBM. It's good they are being thorough. Dogs like Kylie are so amazing!
 
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