Death photos

sue1017 said:
Mary,

Do you know anywhere online or in books that might show the actual autopsy diagram of the boys? Usually when they do a report they also show a pictorial diagram of the location of the wounds.

Thanks again,

Sue

The photos of the boys' wounds are depicted graphically in the book "Media Tried, Justice Denied". There's also a photo of Damon's wounds (heartbreaking) on the Justice for Darlie website that I previously mentioned. I don't know of any autopsy photos other than that.

If you think you want to stay with this case, Sue, it would be worth the money to buy the book. I wouldn't advise reading it, though :furious:
 
beesy said:
hey everybody, hang on to your copies of MTJD. Saw it on Amazon.com for $72.00! :eek: Funny, the people who liked the book felt she was innocent. People who thought it was stupid thought she was guilty

Several years ago, after it went out of print, someone was selling it on Amazon for $300. I considered selling my copy, but decided to hold onto it in case CWB is nominated for a Pulitzer :loser:

My favorite review was from the woman who said she wouldn't line her bird cage with CWB's book. Cracked me up.
 
Mary456 said:
. I wouldn't advise reading it, though :furious:
That book has words in it? I was too busy trudging thru the pile of BEEP to notice words. :liar:
 
sue1017 said:
Mary,

Do you know anywhere online or in books that might show the actual autopsy diagram of the boys? Usually when they do a report they also show a pictorial diagram of the location of the wounds.

Thanks again,

Sue


Hi Sue,

I'm not Mary ;) But in answer to your question, I don't think there is one. I certainly have never seen one. The only things I have seen are the autopsy reports and the actual photos (which I try to avoid looking at).

I know Darlie drew her own one to show CWB where she had been wounded.
 
beesy said:
That book has words in it? I was too busy trudging thru the pile of BEEP to notice words. :liar:

We'd be giving him too much credit to call them words, Beesy. It's more like he put each letter of the alphabet on little pieces of paper, threw them in the air, and pasted the result in a book he should have called "CWB Tried, to he** with the Jury".
 
Mary456 said:
We'd be giving him too much credit to call them words, Beesy. It's more like he put each letter of the alphabet on little pieces of paper, threw them in the air, and pasted the result in a book he should have called "CWB Tried, to he** with the Jury".
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Chris:croc:

:angel: Miss Mary, Miss Beesy :angel:
 
beesy said:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Chris:croc:

:angel: Miss Mary, Miss Beesy :angel:
It's been a long time since I have had such a good laugh!!!

Mary you are a little rascal!!!:crazy:
 
I really believe Darin had something to do with it, the whole thing smells bad. Either he set it up or covered it up.

I am a newbie and glad to be here !!!:crazy:
 
kelizabeth said:
Since I am new, can someone tell me what CWB is? Thanks :confused:


"CWB" = Christopher Wayne Brown who took newspaper articles, added his own commentary, included crime scene photographs (some with his own overlays trying to include stuff that wasn't there), and bound it all up in a "book" he called "Media Tried Justice Denied."

From what I've heard since the book came out, he's convinced more people that Darlie is guilty than innocent. NOT what he intended.

By the way, welcome to Websleuths!! ;) ;)
 
accordn2me said:
http://justicefordarlie.net/transcripts/volumes/vol-35.php#1

DIRECT EXAMINATION BY GREG DAVIS:
4 Q. Now, did you ever observe anything in
5 the kitchen that you believed to be a bloody shoe print?
6 A. There was a partial one. I did see
7 one.
8 Q. Okay. Mr. Cron, first of all, what do
9 we see here in State's Exhibit 43-G?
10 A. It's a partial footprint on the
11 kitchen floor in what appears to be blood. A heel print
12 of a shoe or a boot.
13 Q. Do you recall what part of the kitchen
14 that this was found?
15 A. Yes. Exact measurements I don't have,
16 but it's about halfway between the end of the counter to
17 the island counter and the utility room door, heading in
18 the direction of the utility room door.
19 Q. Okay. Did you see any other bloody
20 shoe prints there in the kitchen, besides the one
21 depicted in State's Exhibit 43-G?
22 A. No.
23 Q. Did you ever do anything with 43-G,
24 the shoe print, shown in State's Exhibit 43-G in an
25 effort to identify who might have left that track?
1 A. Yes.
2 Q. What did you do?
3 A. Well, through the Rowlett PD, the
4 negatives, I had them submitted to the photo lab, Dallas
5 County Sheriff's Department photo lab for 1 to 1. That
6 is actual size blowups made.
7 And then I had Rowlett PD take foot
8 wear impressions of everybody that was at the scene,
9 including my own. I took my shoes there that I was
10 wearing that night. So I got --
11 Q. Let me ask you: What is a 1 to 1
12 photograph?
13 A. 1 to 1 is true size, actual size.
14 That is the purpose for placing rulers in crime scene
15 pictures. If a ruler is in a photograph, the photo lab
16 personnel can -- using the negative, can enlarge the
17 image from the negative, to where the ruler becomes its
18 actual size on the photographic paper. And when the
19 ruler is its true size, when they print it everything in
20 the picture will be its true size. That is why rulers
21 are used in crime scene pictures.
22 Q. Well, once you got the 1 to 1
23 photograph of this shoe print, did you compare it against
24 something?
25 A. To all of the footprints of everybody
1 that was present there that morning.


2 Q. Okay. And were you able to determine
3 through your comparisons who actually left this shoe
4 print shown in State's Exhibit No. 43-G?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Who was it?
7 A. It was Sergeant Matt Walling. I may
8 be mispronouncing his name, Walling.
9 Q. Okay.
10 A. It was consistent with being his and
11 no other's at the scene

5 Q. Were you ever able to determine who
6 left the shoe prints or the impressions back there on
7 that section of the carpet behind the couch?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Okay. And how did you do that?
10 A. I had not only the carpet, but
11 photographs taken of the prints on the carpet. I had
12 then enlarged to their actual size, true size. Using
13 them, I compared them with the foot wear impressions of
14 everybody at the scene that morning.
15 Q. Okay. And what was the result?
16 A. The results: Three of them are
17 consistent, or the three patterns are consistent with
18 being the boot pattern of the paramedic. And I probably
19 have some trouble pronouncing his name, but I know his
20 nickname.
21 Q. What is his nickname?
22 A. Toad.
2 Q. Mr. Cron, looking at State's Exhibit
3 35-C, do you recognize what is shown there, sir?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. What is that?
6 A. It's a -- you mean each specific item?
7 Q. No. What part of the room is this?
8 A. Oh, it's near the couch and the glass
9 coffee table.
10 Q. Okay. Now, look at State's Exhibit
11 35-E. Do you see what I am pointing at here, sir?
12 A. I do.
13 Q. What is that?
14 A. Looks like a small palm print in blood
15 on the carpet.
16 Q. Could you -- when you first went into
17 the family room, could you see the palm print here shown
18 in State's Exhibit 35-E?
19 A. No.
20 Q. Okay. What did you have to do in
21 order to see that?
22 A. Well, we had to move the objects after
23 the initial photographs were taken, conducting a crime
24 scene investigation during the moving of things that was
25 discovered.
1 Q. Okay. Do you see what I am pointing
2 at here in 35-C?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. Okay. What is that?
5 A. A blanket.
6 Q. Did you have to move that?
7 A. Yes, sir.


23 A. Oh, "G". Exhibits 85-G and 85-F are
24 the latent prints handed me from the Rowlett PD. They
25 are from the inside of the entry door between the garage
1 and the wash room, and they appear to be in blood.
2 Q. Okay. Are you familiar with that
3 location?
4 A. Yes.
5 Q. Okay. Is that going to be the door
6 leading from the utility room to the garage?
7 A. Yes. The wash room, what we're
8 calling the utility room.
9 Q. Okay. Are there latents on the back
10 of those cards?
11 A. Yes.
12 Q. Okay. What were you able to do with
13 those two latents?
14 A. Well, I compared them but I wasn't
15 able to make any identification.
16 Q. Okay. Why not?
17 A. They are in liquid. They are partial.
18 I can see ridges, I mean, they are obviously palm or
19 finger, probably finger. But there's not enough points
20 of comparison to identify anyone.
21 Q. Okay. So even if you had a known
22 fingerprint that you are looking at, would you be able to
23 make a comparison and an identification based on what you
24 have got in front of you there?
25 A. No, I couldn't identify the correct
1 print if it was in front of me and I was making a


2 comparison with these.
3 Q. Okay. Mr. Cron, looking at State's
4 Exhibit No. 85-H, do you recognize that?
5 A. Yes, I do.
6 Q. Okay. Is that also a latent that was
7 given to you by Rowlett?
8 A. Yes.
9 Q. Where did that latent come from?
10 A. This is from the sliding glass door
11 leading from the family room out to the back patio.
12 Q. Okay. And, what were you able to do
13 with the latent on 85-H?
14 A. Nothing. It was too partial, there
15 was some friction ridges there, but I couldn't make any
16 identification.
17 Q. Okay. If you had a perfect print in
18 front of you that belonged to that individual, could you
19 make a comparison and tell us if that individual left
20 that latent on 85-H?
21 A. I could not.
22 Q. If you would, please look at State's
23 Exhibits 85-I and 85-J. Do you recognize those also?
24 A. I do.
25 Q. Okay. Are those two of the latents
1 given to you by Rowlett?
2 A. Yes.
3 Q. Where did they come from?
4 A. Off of the glass table top in the
5 family room. And one of them, well, both of them, that's
6 right, both of them are off the glass-topped table.
7 Q. Okay. What were you able to determine
8 by looking at those two latents?
9 A. That there is ridge detail, a few
10 points of comparison, but I can't -- couldn't make any
11 identification.
12 Q. Okay. Same thing as you had with the
13 other sets that I have just shown you?
14 A. Yes. These are better prints but
15 still lacked sufficient points of identification.
16 Q. Okay.
17 A. Actually, they're the same. Let's
18 see, that is -- oh, yes, that is, they're double lifts of
19 the same print.
20 Q. Okay.
21 A. He attempted -- the man that lifted it
22 tried to get it clear, make it clear by the second lift
23 and it didn't work.
24 Q. Okay. How would you classify the size
25 of these two latents?
1 A. Small.
2 Q. Okay. What do you mean by small?
3 What would that be consistent with?
4 A. A juvenile, it could be. It fits the
5 criteria to be a younger person's prints.
6 Q. Okay. What are those criteria?
7 A. Small ridges.
8 Q. Let me just ask you: The two prints
9 here, 85-I and J, would they be consistent with having
10 been left by a five or six year old child?
11 A. It's possible, yes, sir.


12 Q. Okay. Mr. Cron, let me show you
13 what's been marked as State's Exhibit 85 -- 88-A, B, C,
14 D, E and F. Do you recognize those also, sir?
15 A. Yes, sir.
16 Q. Okay. Were they also latents given to
17 you by the Rowlett Police Department?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Do the cards indicate when those
20 latents were lifted?
21 A. November 26th, 1996.
14 Q. Looking at the latents there in front
15 of you, can you tell how many different latents that you
16 have? And I guess what I am asking is, do you feel like
17 we have any duplicates in the five latents that you have
18 in front of you?
19 A. Yes, there are duplicates.
17 Q. Can you tell me what conclusions, if
18 any, that you drew from looking at the latents shown, on
19 State's Exhibit 85-A, B and D?
20 A. They don't belong -- as I stated, they
21 don't belong to anyone that was there at the scene that
22 morning. They -- the C and D ones are palms, prints on,
23 which are all the same. But the print on A, B and D
24 are -- have a tendency to be palms, although part if it
25 could be a finger, it looked like an overlap.
Transcrpts are public information. Anyone can purchase a copy from the court or court reporter, but they are generally expensive. I don't know how good a copyright on public information is. Maybe Jeana can answer that question.
 

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