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I'm starting a new thread in part to answer a post on another. 99% of my answer was off topic, but one thought led to another, and another. Also I couldn't find another thread that went in the rambling direction I'm going. LOL That light bulb went on in my head and I wondered if we've been looking at some things from the wrong angle, and that's why they haven't made sense? I'm not saying I have the answer all figured out, but this is the first time I've been able to make sense of these things.
Anti-K asked: BBM & RSBM
I'm not saying that they had plans to dispose of her after calling 911, but I do think it's a possibility. So I'm LE and I get this "kidnapping" call. Naturally, I'd read the note, and bells and whistles would start going off. I'd search the house next, including the garage & cars. (The Rs knew this would happen. They had to have known.) Now if LE were to find JBR, which they should have, what is going to make the Rs look even more guilty? Finding her in the basement, not too far from a broken, open window with a suitcase nearby? Or finding her in the trunk of one of her parents' car?!?! No brainer there, sorry.
If they intended for LE to find her, why have her hidden so well? Why not put her right under that broken, open window, right next to that suitcase? That might have been a little more believable from an IDI perspective. "IDI is ready to stuff her in the suitcase & out the window they go, but he hears something and has to leave without her."
If PR blew the plan at the last second I could still see JR playing it out the same way as in the following scenario:
If they thought they could sneak her out of the house after calling 911, it would be pretty easy for JR (or so he possibly thought) to slide in that window (just like he described doing before), put her in JAR's suitcase, pop the suitcase out the window, then use "that" chair that he insisted was blocking the door to climb back out himself. Maybe he would have put her outside the window before leaving the house. I suppose there's even the possibility that he did try during his "unexplained absence." Her brand new shirt fibers were found on the duvet cover in the suitcase. Rigor and livor would both be set by then, so no evidence would indicate one way or the other. Maybe he picked her up, laid her in the open suitcase, and then realized even if he broke rigor (if he even knew he could) she still wouldn't fit in well. Could the book and blanket have been "undoing" items put in there for "her comfort"?
And again, I'm not saying that this was ever the plan, but I could easily see it having been just that. When you add up all the things JR kept harping on, which everyone presumes is his attempt to point to an intruder, they all fit nicely into this plan. The broken window & how he used it to get in, the chair blocking the door, him moving JAR's suitcase downstairs. Maybe he was letting some of his own plan slip out in little bits and pieces, and not trying to point to an IDI (or "insider") at all.
Lies usually have a grain of truth in them, and anyone that's read the Rs books knows, he gives away a lot of information about himself without even realizing it. But maybe that's JMO.
His window "story" was just down right strange. I never did understand the purpose of that "chair story", and it never made a bit of sense to me. He openly said he was the one to put the suitcase down there. (He knew he had to admit that because his prints would be on it. And yeah, I know, "But he lived there. They should be.") And why was he always in his underwear??? Climbing through the window in his underwear, reading the RN, on the floor of all places, in his underwear! :waitasec:
So did he really tell us what his plan was all along through his bizarre stories and "admissions"?
If you've made it this far, thank you for your patience with my rambling, wandering thoughts. :blushing:
Anti-K asked: BBM & RSBM
The Ramsey case is somewhat unique, regardless of RDI or IDI.
If john thought he could leave in the morning and board their plane and dispose of the body at that time, than why would the body be in the basement. Why not in the garage or in the trunk of the car, ready to go?
I'm not saying that they had plans to dispose of her after calling 911, but I do think it's a possibility. So I'm LE and I get this "kidnapping" call. Naturally, I'd read the note, and bells and whistles would start going off. I'd search the house next, including the garage & cars. (The Rs knew this would happen. They had to have known.) Now if LE were to find JBR, which they should have, what is going to make the Rs look even more guilty? Finding her in the basement, not too far from a broken, open window with a suitcase nearby? Or finding her in the trunk of one of her parents' car?!?! No brainer there, sorry.
If they intended for LE to find her, why have her hidden so well? Why not put her right under that broken, open window, right next to that suitcase? That might have been a little more believable from an IDI perspective. "IDI is ready to stuff her in the suitcase & out the window they go, but he hears something and has to leave without her."
If PR blew the plan at the last second I could still see JR playing it out the same way as in the following scenario:
If they thought they could sneak her out of the house after calling 911, it would be pretty easy for JR (or so he possibly thought) to slide in that window (just like he described doing before), put her in JAR's suitcase, pop the suitcase out the window, then use "that" chair that he insisted was blocking the door to climb back out himself. Maybe he would have put her outside the window before leaving the house. I suppose there's even the possibility that he did try during his "unexplained absence." Her brand new shirt fibers were found on the duvet cover in the suitcase. Rigor and livor would both be set by then, so no evidence would indicate one way or the other. Maybe he picked her up, laid her in the open suitcase, and then realized even if he broke rigor (if he even knew he could) she still wouldn't fit in well. Could the book and blanket have been "undoing" items put in there for "her comfort"?
And again, I'm not saying that this was ever the plan, but I could easily see it having been just that. When you add up all the things JR kept harping on, which everyone presumes is his attempt to point to an intruder, they all fit nicely into this plan. The broken window & how he used it to get in, the chair blocking the door, him moving JAR's suitcase downstairs. Maybe he was letting some of his own plan slip out in little bits and pieces, and not trying to point to an IDI (or "insider") at all.
Lies usually have a grain of truth in them, and anyone that's read the Rs books knows, he gives away a lot of information about himself without even realizing it. But maybe that's JMO.
His window "story" was just down right strange. I never did understand the purpose of that "chair story", and it never made a bit of sense to me. He openly said he was the one to put the suitcase down there. (He knew he had to admit that because his prints would be on it. And yeah, I know, "But he lived there. They should be.") And why was he always in his underwear??? Climbing through the window in his underwear, reading the RN, on the floor of all places, in his underwear! :waitasec:
So did he really tell us what his plan was all along through his bizarre stories and "admissions"?
If you've made it this far, thank you for your patience with my rambling, wandering thoughts. :blushing: