FL FL - Jean Schoen, 9, Jacksonville, 21 July 1974

I just ran across Jean Marie's case and I lived 2 blocks or 2 streets away from her and she was only a year younger than me. I grew up on West 21st Street. The reports and news are saying she was on West 19th sTREET.

I don't remember seeing her at elementary school or her name from my class. I don't even remember hearing about these girls missing or the flyers. I would have been or almost 10 at the time she went missing. I was always out riding my bike with my friends or skating, etc...and did not watch much tv. My parents never mentioned it, they always read the paper and watched the news. Maybe they just didnt want to scare us back in the day. I am going to ask my mom tomorrow if she remembers hearing about this. And post what I can find.

Just so very close to my house, she had to go to my same school. My mom drove me though and I did not ride the bus, or we walked. I went to North Shore Elementary and her school was not listed as that. I didnt think 2 streets away would be a cut off for a different school. That area is not a very great area now, and had just started going way downhill when we moved away in 1976, 1977.
 
This isn't about Jean Schoen, but I noticed that it would be almost next to impossible for Knowles to abduct Lillian and Mylette Anderson, since he apparently raped and murdered Ima Jean Sanders the same day, and Warner Robbins, GA (where Ima lived) is 4 hours away from Jacksonville (where the Anderson girls lived).
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Posse searches woods, no more bodies found

Jacksonville, Fla. (AP) - "Now we can keep hoping they're alive," says one of four mothers who waited hours while a posse searched a wooded area where a little girl's body was found.

Pam Shoen, whose daughter Jean Marie, 9, disappeared in late July, said she was relieved when police called off the search Monday without turning up new clues of killings.

...

Police said none of the girls had been a runaway and there was nothing to link the disappearances in different parts of the city.

A 7-year-old girl was picked up by a man in a truck and left in a wooded area north of Jacksonville a week ago. She found her way out by following a power transmission line, police said.

Investigators reported she had been beaten and fondled. They have arrested Earl Taylor Higginbothom, 25, on charges of sexual battery.

He is still incarcerated since 1978, got 99 years...says release date 2024...maybe that is possible parole or gain time?? If no more girls went missing since he got arrested and locked up, he may be a very good suspect in the other missing girls, who are unfortunately likely not alive (although the recent case in of the 3 girls escaping captivity after so many years, nothing is impossible)..
 
NI am 49 and at the age of 11-12, I lived in the Windy Hill area. In 1973/1974 I was riding my bike to the majic market (called that back then) to buy candy before having to catch the bus for school. My brother and I would take turns going because we were not supposed to leave the house and one of us would take turns (this day was my turn). It was real foggy that morning and on a stretch of road called Anders blvd....I car pulled up beside me. A lot of cars that day were heading to work and continued to have to pass this car because he was driving at my bike speed. He said "good morning" to me and I pretended not to hear him...he quickly became very angry and said again" I SAID GOOD MORNING". I started to peddle faster and focused on what was a head of me because the side walk had lots of bumps and cracks and it would be easy to crash my bike and land in the ditch/wooded area of this street. It was right near a place we nicknamed Mud Hills (now is called Peach/Beach park). I finally looked over at this man (mostly to see if he was trying to expose himself, which I had experinced in once or twice in Windy Hill area). When I looked over he was not exposing himself but had the most evil, angry look on his face and a little voice inside my head told me he wanted to really hurt me. I started peddling faster and the man was screaming and moving car closer to my bike like he was going to hit me. I was peddling like I had never peddled before and told him there were houses coming up and I was going to scream! He quickly stopped his car, backed into Mud Hills and parked his car. I was crying now because he stopped his car but I knew this was the only way to get back home from the store. I got to the store and called my brother at home and he told me to start riding back home and he would ride his bike up to meet me somewhere in the middle. I was hysterically crying and did not want to get back on that bike and ride home because I knew he was waiting for me at Mud Hills. I am sure now the little voice in my head saved my life. The man was not going to stick around because he did not want to get caught. I remembered the details to this day although they are not as sharp. My brother made me promise not to tell my mother or my father because he was afraid of getting into trouble...so we didn't!

I was 18 or in my early 20's when my mother and I were talking about the past...when I starting mentioning all the secrets my brother and I kept from her and my dad. I told her about being stuck in the dryer by my brother and how we would dive off the roof of the house into the swimming pool and our conversation went a little more serious. I told her about us being molested by our neighbors son's while baby sitting us one night (again sworn to secrecy by my brother), and then I told her of the time and what happened with the evil man. My mother was in shock thinking about all the things that could have happened to us. She then told me about the two dead girls...and how one of the girls were found in a shallow grave not to far from our neighborhood... now I was in shock because it was the same time frame. I said I know this was the man...don't ask me how but I knew that man wanted to really hurt me. The look on his face, those angry expressions towards me, the way he tried to slide his car towards my bike like he wanted to knock me off or get me to stop.

I called the police and reported what had taken place so many years ago and they patched me through to the original coroners office. I think there was miscommunication because he thought I was talking about the anderson girls, which was believed to have been killed by the serial killer knowles. He told me "I know who you are talking about and he was killed in a shoot out in Georgia." I had described the car and gave him a description of the man, so I left it alone and went on with my life.

A lot of years later a tragic murder of a little girl in orange park would once again bring back those horrifying events that took place many years ago and how lucky I was that day. I was online and hit a story about the 5 missing girls in 1974 and it mentioned knowles. I clicked on his name and a picture of him appeared. I look at his photograph and out loud said "That is not the same man that approached me that day on Anders blvd"! I called the reporter who had written the story and he still had the phone number of investigator who was assigned that case in 1974. Eventually Mr. Prementer would call me and I again advised him of all the details. He had retired but still thought about that little girl found off beach blvd but told me of his thoughts about the different cases and which ones he thought were related or not. How the FBI thought that knowles had killed the anderson girls but he always had his doubts and how he thought Rebecca Green was also not related to the girls in southside area. I explained I felt bad for not speaking up all those years ago and he was sweet and consoled me and we ended our conversation about the how his daughter 4 years later would have a run in with Ted Bundy and how his son actually chased after the van Bundy was in and got the tag number, which led them to the stolen car report and how 2 days later Kimberly would be murdered by Ted Bundy and that not many people knew but Ted Bundy was staying at a rented hotel in Jacksonville, Florida....but something still bugs me about these missing and deceased girls. So you read and decide for yourself and tell me what you think!

Rebecca Green (although she was missing from the Northside area while going to the store...She lived somewhere in my neighborhood for a brief time before she stopped showing up at the bus stop one day. We would stand at the same bus stop. I had always wondered what happened to her because at the end of next year our 7th grade year book had a dedication page with her birth and death date. She never made it to Sandalwood High School. Of course did not mention how she died but at that time I did not know anything about little girls getting killed or missing. I did not read the paper or watch the TV...I was playing with all the other children in my neighborhood. I remember thinking I should have taken more time to get to know the shy little neighbor girl who was my age with my same last name but spelled differently and she seemed to be very sweet and hardly said word.

Jean Marie Schoen I believe she went to Love Grove Elementary which is within 5 miles of my childhood neighborhood on her way to the connivance store.

Virginia Suzanne Helm She was found dead off of beach blvd., less then 3 miles east away from my home. She lived off dean rd, which is in the san soucie area, which again was less then 3 miles west from my neighborhood.

The only case that had no close connection to my neighborhood was the two anderson sisters.

So recently I called the police and I have had no response as of yet.

Do I think it was the same serial child killer I saw that day...I don't know but I question if anyone in cold case cares about my story or perhaps it is just too old. Maybe they think I am a crack pot...or crazy person but I am not. I am trying to make certain my leads are followed up on by the police to bring justice to the girls and their family members who have never given up. What if someone else saw a baby blue car, what if one of family members had a neighbor who drove a baby blue car.

I am willing to go under hypnosis to not only sharpen my memory of that day but perhaps unveil some hidden details that could help solve these cases. These girls and family members deserve to know who, how, why and deserve justice for their girls.

Maybe this man is now dead or serving a life sentence already for the same offences. I need to know too...I have plenty of guilt not telling what happened that day. If I had spoke up then perhaps the other girls would have been spared. Maybe he saw his approach with me did not work and changed his approach. It just haunts me even after all these years I have not forgotten these girls. Maybe like the parents I will only know the truth when my time comes.

If anyone has any suggestion on how I can get someone to listen to me please contact me. If you know one of the family members and they would like to hear what I have to say... I have even thought about calling Mr. Walsh from AMW to see if they can do a segment on his show. He knows the hell...family members go through not knowing.

Thanks and I hope one day these cases can be solved

Earl T Higginbotham beat and molested a girl 10/21/1974 - doesn't say what area of town but she lived, he was sentenced in 1978 to 99 years.. his pic is on the Dept of Corrections website, but of course he is much older than the 25 years old when he was arrested... I wonder if we can find a younger picture of him when he was arrested in the newspaper archives? Or maybe you could write the prison and they have an older photo? Or the Jax Sheriff's office has an older photo (when he was originally arrested)... and wonder if they could tell you if he drove or had registered a light blue car? Timing is interesting, apparently after he was arrested, no more little girls came up missing after October 1974 (I don't think)
 
Thank you! It would be helpful if I could see a younger pic of him. I wonder if anyone knew him back then could verify what other car he drove or had access to or lived during that period of time. I just find it was coincidental that we were all going to a store. I can't believe how many sickos were out and about in the 1970's.

Thank you for the suggestion.
 
It was 40 years ago that this string of murders and disappearances took place. They are still unsolved.
 
This isn't about Jean Schoen, but I noticed that it would be almost next to impossible for Knowles to abduct Lillian and Mylette Anderson, since he apparently raped and murdered Ima Jean Sanders the same day, and Warner Robbins, GA (where Ima lived) is 4 hours away from Jacksonville (where the Anderson girls lived).
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There is a good deal of confusing info about Knowles "out there". I think that the exact date he encountered Ima Jean probably is not known; though some sites, etc., list that Ima Jean went missing Aug. 1 from Warner Robins, GA, I believe there was confusion/lack of follow through on her family's attempt to report to LE that she was missing -- so it is possible the exact date is not on record.

Knowles did kill a woman in a nearby (to Warner Robins) Georgia county later in August, and, also, he was really a traveling man during that period -- I think it very possible he killed the Anderson sisters as well as Ima Jean. He had an account about the Anderson girls on those tapes of his, and one about Ima Jean as well, although for her he only gave a first name and apparently he thought it was Irma, or those who heard the tapes misunderstood his pronunciation of Ima as Irma.
 
Bumping this thread up. It has been 43 years since Jean Marie went missing and since most of these possibly related cases took place.
 
Really should be investigated. Cold case of missing little girls should never be left behind and forgotten!
 
coconutgreene - thanks for recounting that terrible ordeal you had on your bicycle that foggy day. I wonder if you have heard of Debardeleben. He was known as the "mall passer" and was all over the east coast in the 1970s. Worth googling him and look at his face. There is thread on websleuths you might want to check out too. Carolyn Majane's case up in New Jersey, two of the posters (starting on page 7 of the thread) were out walking and harassed by scary men during a time when girls were missing in the area. You are definitely not alone , there are other survivors on here. I am pretty sure I saw Debardeleben at the mall in Va. but I will be interested to know if he happened to be the scary dude in the two toned blue el camino you saw.
 
Unsolved: Three months, five missing girls and the tumultuous summer of 1974

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/arti...nd-the-tumultuous-summer-of-1974/77-551200984

Jean Schoen, known as Jeanie, 9, was asked to go to the store for a pack of smokes for her uncle. The store was just two blocks away from the house. The clerk told investigators that Jeanie purchased the cigarettes, but forgot them at the store. She returned to retrieve her purchase, the clerk said. Jeanie told the clerk that she was going to go to a place called The Hangout with the change from the smokes to play pinball.

She never returned home.

The owner of The Hangout saw Jeanie and told her that they were not open because he had just cleaned the floors. He told her to come back when the floors were dry.

Two friends of Jeanie said they were all together at the laundromat near the Winn-Dixie in Springfield when a man they didn't know approached them on a blue bike. He grabbed Jeanie and pulled her into the restroom with him. When they came out of the bathroom, Jeanie was crying and the man rode away with her on his bike. The girls tried to run after them but they couldn't keep up. The girls told investigators that Jeanie didn't scream for help or attempt to fight the man off. He was described as white, with light colored hair that was styled kind of like Elvis Presley.

Jeanie’s mother took out ads in the Jacksonville Journal pleading for her daughter back.

One of the ads reads:

“This is a plea from Jeanie’s mother to whom ever has my daughter. I know you have her because you also wanted a little girl to love, but I love her desperately, need her returned to me. Please.”

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https://www.firstcoastnews.com/arti...nd-the-tumultuous-summer-of-1974/77-551200984
 
This is a very interesting case, and one which I have not heard of before. It is not on other websites that I quickly scanned. Neither Doenetwork nor National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) list her case. Certainly, that should be done by the family as a start.

I would be very interested to hear more specifics about Jeanie and about who the other four children were and details about their cases. It is quite possible that the cases are connected - if not to each other, then possibly to other child abductions that took place in the mid 1970's.

Regarding Serial Killer Paul John Knowles; He was indeed active during this time, but he was not considered by LE to be a pediphile. Most of his victims were women, but he did not discriminate as to age, physical characteristics, or such. He killed men as well, including a Florida State Trooper.

Most of his known killings were done during a very short "spree" in which he traveled up and down Florida from Jacksonville to Tampa. He also ventured into Alabama and Georgia. He was certainly a viscious individual with no conscience, but I would have to see some specifics about these child disappearances/murders to compare them with Knowles' known victims - all of whom were found murdered.

I had a thought, what if there was a common thread between the cases, one involving the arcade, The Hangout. Someone who was fun who may have spent time at the arcade. The type of person they might accept a ride from. I mean, it is a long shot, but all avenues should be considered.

Jean was last seen trying to get into the arcade:
"The owner of The Hangout saw Jeanie and told her that they were not open because he had just cleaned the floors. He told her to come back when the floors were dry."

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/arti...nd-the-tumultuous-summer-of-1974/77-551200984

Several instances involved the girls disappearing on the way to run an errand. As if they were abducted right off the street.

Also, if Jean's friends story about the guy taking Jean away on his bicycle is accurate, than makes me wonder if a sketch was drawn up at the time.
 
Me too - check out Debardeleben. He is the one who nearly took me.
 
Jean Marie Schoen

Namus #MP42927 Missing Person Case


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Age last seen: 9
Race: White female
Hair color: Blond strawberry; shoulder lenght
Eyes color: Green
Height: 4' 2" - 4' 7" (50 - 55 Inches)
Weight: 55 lbs
Scars and marks: Jean's nickname is Jeanie. She was missing a front tooth at the time of her disappearance.
Clothing and accessories: Dark blue shirt with red trim, blue shorts; Blue shoes
Transportation methods: unknown

Details of Disappearance

Jean was last seen in Jacksonville, Florida on July 21, 1974. She left her grandmother's home on west 19th Street to walk to Hanna's Food Store, which was at 17th Street and Pearl Street, about two blocks away. She never returned and has never been heard from again.

That year several young girls between six and twelve disappeared from the Jacksonville area. Jean was the first. Sisters Annette and Mylette Anderson went missing on August 1, Virginia Suzanne Helm vanished on September 27 and Rebecca Ann Greene disappeared on October 12. Virginia Suzanne Helm vanished on September 27, and Rebecca Ann Greene disappeared on October 12.

Virginia's partially clothed body was found in a shallow grave a month after her disappearance; she had been shot in the head. Rebecca's skeletal remains were found three years later, washed up on the shore of Little Fort George Island at the mouth of the St. Johns River. Both girls were twelve years old when they died.

Jean's body and the Anderson sisters' remains were never found. Because the abductions happened in different parts of the city, authorities don't believe they are related.

Jean was a student at Love Grove Elementary School at the time of her disappearance; she made good grades and was involved in the Brownies. Her disappearance remains unsolved and her family hopes she may still be alive.

Doe Network The Doe Network: Case File 3021DFFL
charleyproject Jean Marie Schoen – The Charley Project
 
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I had a thought, what if there was a common thread between the cases, one involving the arcade, The Hangout. Someone who was fun who may have spent time at the arcade. The type of person they might accept a ride from. I mean, it is a long shot, but all avenues should be considered.

Jean was last seen trying to get into the arcade:
"The owner of The Hangout saw Jeanie and told her that they were not open because he had just cleaned the floors. He told her to come back when the floors were dry."

Unsolved: Three months, five missing girls and the tumultuous summer of 1974

Several instances involved the girls disappearing on the way to run an errand. As if they were abducted right off the street.

Also, if Jean's friends story about the guy taking Jean away on his bicycle is accurate, than makes me wonder if a sketch was drawn up at the time.

This article is the only one I can find that mentions a man on a bike abducting Jeanie. None of the newspaper articles from the 1970s that I've found say anything about this at all. I would love know where this info came from...the article doesn't mention a source at all.
 

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