FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #6

[leftcoast]

Yes, UCF, I agree.

But, if LE had a good tip, on a guy who is 5"8, with no record, and LE thought the guy was good for it.

All LE would have to do is obtain a DNA sample from the guy, and ask for a fingerprint sample. Sure, he could refuse, but, LE would only turn up the heat, and try to obtain a warrant for the information. Or, obtain a sample from a discarded cigarette, bottle of water, from his garbage, etc. But, eventually, LE would obtain a DNA sample from the suspect, one way or another.

So, that is my point. IF LE has prints, and DNA from JK's car, and a tip on a good suspect, they can manually obtain a sample from a "good" suspect, and the DNA lab, and the print specialist, can "manually" compare his DNA and prints with those in JK's car. You don't need CODIS or AFIS for that.

So, one of three things has happened in this case.

LE has DNA, and prints, from the POI, and they have not matched it with the database.

OR

LE has not run across the right suspect, and his prints and DNA are not in the database

or

LE has DNA and prints from JK's car, but, they are not from the POI.

One of these has to be the answer. Agree?

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[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know that LE has a thing, Left...besides the lousy photos.

 

[leftcoast]

I don't know that LE has a thing, Left...besides the lousy photos.

I agree.

I just don't see how LE could know for certain that the prints and DNA are from the POI.

I'm not doubting that LE has both, but, until you match the forensics with a suspect, you can never be certain they are from the POI.

LE probably has "unidentified latent fingerprints, and unidentified DNA"

Unless:

The video shows the POI touching JK's car, and a print was lifted from that spot,

or

something was left in JK's car, that didn't belong to JK, and it doesn't match her DNA.

Such as a cigarette, water bottle, hat, bodily fluids, sweat, etc.

Also, if LE has DNA, it would be a great help to release the sex of the POI to the public, and his or her most probable ethnicity.

I don't see why LE wouldn't release this information, to further narrow the search for the POI.

I sure would like to know the answer. I also want to know if "anyone", other than Joyce Kesse, has been asked to submit a DNA sample, or a full set of fingerprints.

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[SeriouslySearching]

Since they didn't bother to print the apartment itself, that we know of, and the car didn't appear to have any place which looked like prints were found, IMO...(they would have KEPT the car and the area where the prints were found...door handle, armrest, etc. would have been removed for further trace evidence and, if found, kept for evidence in a trial.)...I theorize they have nothing.

 

[leftcoast]

PLus, you would think that LE would print Rob, Drew, Logan and Joyce, and other's who frequented JK's car, and also get DNA from them, so, the DNA sample, and prints found, can be ruled out as belonging to any of them.

While I agree with UCF, and hope LE has DNA, I am cautious.

For example, if LE searched JK's car, and found a water bottle left behind, or a hair on the headrest of JK's driver's seat, that was not from JK, one would think that LE would be getting DNA samples from everyone, and letting the DNA solve the case.

For example, in the BTK case, LE had his DNA. So, LE simply went around town, and starting collecting DNA from any and all suspects. A smart move.

In such a high profile case, like JK, has this been done, and if not, why not?

I'll bet there can't be more than 20 or so "good suspects", so DNA testing would run about $10,000, assuming no hits come until the last person is tested.

With all the money LE has spent on this case, I'm sure that would take a 10,000 bet, if they knew it would identify the POI, and give them a rock solid case in court.

Related to DNA. IF LE has DNA from the POI. First of all, LE is going to know if it is male or female. Then, LE can run a "partial" match for DNA. This is not allowed in all states, and the FEDS will only allow it in certain cases. But, over 40% of inmates, have relatives in prison. This partial DNA match, would scan the DNA database for any close relatives of the DNA sample, such as a brother. If it comes back positive, than LE can use the results to narrow the POI down to a certain family, and within days should have an answer.

Again, this is not allowed in all circumstances, and is controversial, with some groups opposing its' use.

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[SeriouslySearching]

Left...what are the chances this guy left behind a water bottle, cig butt, or anything else as "clean" as this was done? I don't give it one in a million myself and I am a betting woman!

They have zip, nada, zilch.

 

[leftcoast]

Left...what are the chances this guy left behind a water bottle, cig butt, or anything else as "clean" as this was done? I don't give it one in a million myself and I am a betting woman!

They have zip, nada, zilch.

I'm trying to play both sides of the argument.

I agree, it is unlikely, but, if this guy was inexperienced, or panicked, you never know.

Who would have expected this clown to park Jk's car in front of CCTV?

I've seen stranger things happen.

We shed hair from our heads, all the time, without knowing it.

Sure, the POI had a hat on, or so we think.

But, if he rested his head on that headrest, or had the window open, who's to say he didn't lose one hair on that headrest.

I agree, this case should be further along with forensic evidence, but, I've learned not to rule out chances.

Also, Drew and FOX say LE has DNA. Who's DNA it is, I sure would like to know. Sure, it could be a false story to get the POI worried, or it could just be true.

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[UCFAlumni2002]

I understand where frustrations come in and how come this isn't solved yet since it will be 18 months on Tuesday since Jenn was last seen or heard from.

You have to keep the faith that LE is doing their job. That they know more then we do. That they did do most of the job right.

Also, I stay positive for Jenn and for the Kesse's. This is an unimaginable living Hell they are going through. A nightmare that they can't wake up from. The fact that they go on day after day after day for the Love of Jenn to find their daughter amazes me. I only hope that I'm that strong whenever any of life's curveballs are thrown my way.

So with that said, let's help find Jennifer.... I'm not discounting anyone's theory as you never know, so let's keep rehashing it, going back to basics and see what all of us collectively can come up with. You never know- we might be able to help figure this out and end this nightmare.

Expect Miracles- I continue to expect them for Jennifer and her family every single day.

 

[UM&AMWfan]

I understand where frustrations come in and how come this isn't solved yet since it will be 18 months on Tuesday since Jenn was last seen or heard from.

You have to keep the faith that LE is doing their job. That they know more then we do. That they did do most of the job right.

Also, I stay positive for Jenn and for the Kesse's. This is an unimaginable living Hell they are going through. A nightmare that they can't wake up from. The fact that they go on day after day after day for the Love of Jenn to find their daughter amazes me. I only hope that I'm that strong whenever any of life's curveballs are thrown my way.

So with that said, let's help find Jennifer.... I'm not discounting anyone's theory as you never know, so let's keep rehashing it, going back to basics and see what all of us collectively can come up with. You never know- we might be able to help figure this out and end this nightmare.

Expect Miracles- I continue to expect them for Jennifer and her family every single day.

Hasn't Equusearch been called in yet from Texas? They are the humanitarian group that helps find missing people and they helped in the search for Natalee Holloway and they are helping in the case of another missing woman in Florida, Stepha Henry.

They are known internationally and really have to the potential to help.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Orlando PD refused their help as I understand it.

 

[UCFAlumni2002]

I'm not sure what went on with TX Equasearch. I do know that the Kesse's are working with the Florida legislature to get legislation passed regarding how missing persons cases should be handled, also mandating DNA testing for human remains.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

It was in one of the articles which stated that LE turned them down when they offered to come. LE said they didn't need them and they felt they had done a sufficient search.

 

[Truthful Lies]

That's lovely....refusing help... I think the family should be in the position to accept/refuse...even if LE says it will "complicate things".

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This is one thing I have disagreed heavily on with the Kesse family. Their unwavering faith in LE and the way they handled this case. If the Kesse family stood back and took a view from another perspective, they would notice the inconsistencies which have existed from the beginning. Equusearch would have been called in at an early stage and many things would be forthcoming now. Because they won't go against LE in any way has severely hindered finding Jennifer, IMO.

I would have BEGGED Tim Miller and EquuSearch to come help find Jennifer! Regardless of what LE said! Look at their record vs. the record of Orlando PD!

 

[Myserty64]

Good post SS.

 

[UM&AMWfan]

I would have BEGGED Tim Miller and EquuSearch to come help find Jennifer! Regardless of what LE said! Look at their record vs. the record of Orlando PD!

It defies common sense that the Kesse family didn't do just that. What could the Kesse family explanation possibly be to turn them down??? They obviously know they need HELP to find Jennifer so why not call on Equusearch who will do it for FREE???

It makes no sense at all. Is there anyone on these boards who knows the Kesse family who could ask them about Equusearch?

 

[Truthful Lies]

I think they probably were/are lost and confused..hurting..and just doing what they think is best. I'm all for EquuSearch...absolutely...but they probably have been advised by someone they trust to let LE do their job.

 

[CatLynnette]

Joyce and Drew Kesse are searching for an alive daughter. They believe that Jennifer is alive and they hope that she will eventually return home. Why would the Kesses feel the need for Texas EquuSearch?

The Kesses are not unique. I know of a couple of other families with missing loved ones who also reacted the same way concerning Texas EquuSearch.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Since they didn't bother to print the apartment itself, that we know of, and the car didn't appear to have any place which looked like prints were found, IMO...(they would have KEPT the car and the area where the prints were found...door handle, armrest, etc. would have been removed for further trace evidence and, if found, kept for evidence in a trial.)...I theorize they have nothing.

My daughter was murdered in her car and LE went over it for evidence and then released it. I had it detailed and then sold in another county. They don't always keep vehicles. I know they didn't my daughters.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Joyce and Drew Kesse are searching for an alive daughter. They believe that Jennifer is alive and they hope that she will eventually return home. Why would the Kesses feel the need for Texas EquuSearch?

The Kesses are not unique. I know of a couple of other families with missing loved ones who also reacted the same way concerning Texas EquuSearch.

I can understand Jennifer's family wanting to find Jennifer alive but in my heart of hearts I don't think that she is. It's been way to long and when an adult is abducted she usually isn't kept alive for very long. Rape is usually the reason for the abduction and then murder follows so the victim can't identify the rapist. Elizabeth Smart was kept alive but consider her age and why she was abducted. Both of those horrible people are mentally ill and that creep wanted Elizabeth for his wife. Her abduction was different from most I think.

The Kesse's can still look for a alive Jennifer but at the same time they should cover all bases just in case she isn't alive. Either way I'm sure that they would want to find her and take her home. Are they still living in Jennifer's condo or have they moved back home by now?