FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #19

[BeeBeeOh]

So you think Sr and Dale's mom have no info? I disagree there....I believe they know EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED! JMO Why did they cover for him and provide an alibi? If he is so innocent, why didn't he answer his phone while others were sick to death trying to find Michelle? Do you believe Dale was at Rose Blvd from 4:30-8 or 9? TIA

as I said right above this post: I do not think they know where she is, but I think they know their son was involved and don't wanna know anything else

 

[Jazzmaster]

as I said right above this post: I do not think they know where she is, but I think they know their son was involved and don't wanna know anything else

So sorry...Missed that part, my friend. I have been thinking a lot about what you said and that makes more sense...I always thought Sr was involved somehow, but thought it didn't make sense that Sr and Mrs were subpoenaed by DA. I always thought SR would have cracked under pressure during the interrogation...He seems like a feisty old man who's tongue would get him in trouble as he likes to run his mouth IMO. The Parkers and Stewarts seemed to be worried about Sr too....concerned he has access to the kids, especially after his pot bust...JMO

So did Dale act alone or call in his cronies from his violent past?

 

[BeeBeeOh]

He HAD to have help. I cannot believe he could manuever all the vehicles. I see him as manipulative, asking someone to come pick him up, but not telling them whats going on, so when the proverbial sh_t hit the fan, they couldn't squeal... someone who is more guilty/paranoid.scared -- than him...perhaps Dale Sr. or mom, a weaker younger woman or just someone who he knew, wouldn't ask him why....

 

[Jazzmaster]

He HAD to have help. I cannot believe he could manuever all the vehicles. I see him as manipulative, asking someone to come pick him up, but not telling them whats going on, so when the proverbial sh_t hit the fan, they couldn't squeal... someone who is more guilty/paranoid.scared -- than him...perhaps Dale Sr. or mom, a weaker younger woman or just someone who he knew, wouldn't ask him why....

So his plan was to get help from someone who he could manipulate....and that person or persons didn't even know what Dale did? And they were unknowing accomplices? Ahh I'm with you...So you think Dale's the only one who knows what he did? or has he BLABBED?

 

[BeeBeeOh]

nah, he didn't talk yet--- he knows he doesn't have any friends right now--- maybe in a few years once he is comfortable.

 

[Jazzmaster]

nah, he didn't talk yet--- he knows he doesn't have any friends right now--- maybe in a few years once he is comfortable.

I've always told my family he'd be better off confessing so he can move on with his life...living in the hell he's in is no place to live...no friends, cloud of suspicion over his head...even family's probably turning on him...how can one live that way? That will never go away until Michelle is found. IMO At least in prison he'd find some true friends and those who understand him...

 

[What'sThatClue]

So sorry...Missed that part, my friend. I have been thinking a lot about what you said and that makes more sense...I always thought Sr was involved somehow, but thought it didn't make sense that Sr and Mrs were subpoenaed by DA. I always thought SR would have cracked under pressure during the interrogation...He seems like a feisty old man who's tongue would get him in trouble as he likes to run his mouth IMO. The Parkers and Stewarts seemed to be worried about Sr too....concerned he has access to the kids, especially after his pot bust...JMO

So did Dale act alone or call in his cronies from his violent past?

The Parkers are right to be concerned, imo. The charges levied against SR are not light charges and the twinners should not be exposed to drugs of any sort, jmo

FYI, here is the Clerk's site where you can look up cases and citations:

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx

Click on "All Case Records Search", then input appropriate name.

 

[Jazzmaster]

The Parkers are right to be concerned, imo. The charges levied against SR are not light charges and the twinners should not be exposed to drugs of any sort, jmo

FYI, here is the Clerk's site where you can look up cases and citations:

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx

Click on "All Case Records Search", then input appropriate name.

Thanks Clue! You are so right. The twinners deserve so much more after all they have been theough....my heart breaks each night thinking about them living with a monster and all they are being exposed to IMO. I pray daily they will be given back to their grandparents....

While living in NY I saw SO many of these sad cases where kids were exposed to drugs at a young age and later turned to selling or abusing drugs. The sad reality is drugs lead to death and prison.... Look how far in life they've taken Dale: unemployed, addict, suspected murderer JMO MOO and all that "jazz"...

 

[Cblewife]

AND... looks can be deceiving. I was involved in a real estate closing many years ago in where a man paid cash for a business. He brought in a paper bag full of wallets he had buried in his back yard.... FOR REAL ... He lived in a pretty bad area of town, dressed like he had no money and as far as anyone knew, had only piddle around and done odd jobs. What you make and what you report are not always the same. Regardless of whether he owned the houses outright or not, he had to have gotten credit somewhere to purchase. Maybe his business has gone to the crapper since all this went down with Michelle.

ETA.... I didn't finish reading OBVIOUSLY ... this was in reference to Sr appearing poor and getting a court appointed atty.

 

[Skully]

I doubt there will be searches this weekend with it being a holiday.

Happy Easter for anyone here who this applies too! Hope you all have a wonderful weekend.

 

[BeeBeeOh]

where did hon3y go? Is she still posting? Was wondering if she would tell us how close Dale and his sister are?

 

[Jazzmaster]

where did hon3y go? Is she still posting? Was wondering if she would tell us how close Dale and his sister are?

I haven't seen honeybee here in a while....she added a lot of insight and provided some great research....I certainly miss Honeybee and BigCityLightGrl's contrarian viewpoints...it's always good to look at every side of the story even if you don't always agree....Jmo. There are those of us who know Dale was involved and there are those willing to defend him no matter how much evidence builds against him.

Where are you Michelle? It's almost Easter and your children miss their Mommie

 

[Kamille]

I wonder how that investigation that MN was conducting has been going? Wasn't it over a month ago that he stated he was going to be making a public comment in the very near future?

MN: We have remained silent intentionally. We made a statement long ago that we wanted law enforcement to do their job without diversion, without distraction, from us, so we have been conducting our own investigation. They've been conducting theirs, and uh, it will be in the very near future that we will have public comment. Um, but as of this time, we don't think its right. We know that certain things have unfolded and we're simply allowing law enforcement to properly do what it is they do, and we believe when they have concluded their investigation, that it will inure to the benefit of our client which we have been saying all along.

We do anticipate that there will public comment about the criminal aspects of this case.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...upport-payments-child-support-hearing-officer

Just more lip service from a criminal defense attorney for the prime suspect in this case and still Michelle's children are missing their mother this Easter weekend.

MOO

 

[Jazzmaster]

I wonder how that investigation that MN was conducting has been going?

IMO MN did his investigation and concluded what may of us here have concluded...that Dale WAS involved...why make a statement about that? JMO

 

[hon3yb33]

Still here never left.. I don't always comment but when I do it'll be my opinion and nothing factual regarding this case. Words seem to get twisted around here sometimes IMO. I still stand by my friend until it is proven without a doubt that 1. Michelle is in fact no longer with us. 2. Dale did it without a doubt. If it turns out that Dale did hurt Michelle then it's not about who's right or wrong it's about three poor innocent children that lost their mother. I pray for their sake Dale is cleared because then not only will the twins have lost their mother but their father as well.

 

[Jazzmaster]

Still here never left.. I don't always comment but when I do it'll be my opinion and nothing factual regarding this case. Words seem to get twisted around here sometimes IMO. I still stand by my friend until it is proven without a doubt that 1. Michelle is in fact no longer with us. 2. Dale did it without a doubt. If it turns out that Dale did hurt Michelle then it's not about who's right or wrong it's about three poor innocent children that lost their mother. I pray for their sake Dale is cleared because then not only will the twins have lost their mother but their father as well.

Happy Easter! I certainly respect your opinion....and loyalty to your FRIEND. Though there may or may not be proof beyond a doubt at this point...one thing to consider is what kind of friend tells his ex-fiancé's step mom that everyone knows her daughter is a know escort....that sells sex for money?! What kind of a man pretends to be Buck Fuddy and drag his ex-fiancé's name through the mud? What kind of a man pretends to be someone he's not? You may have only seen the side of him that he wants you to see....I know it's not easy to admit someone you love MAY HAVE done this but the reality is HE MOST CERTAINLY DID IMO. Just some things to consider...

 

[BeeBeeOh]

Does Dale think she skipped town on him, or does he wonder if she is dead or abducted?

I think he MAY have had something to do with it. .......


because he isn't mad-as-heck that that woman abandoned his kids and has never looked back.. Who does she think she is, running off, trying to pretend she doesnt have these kids that miss her. In 1968 when my moms first husband "disappeared" one Wednesday after work with their only car and only checkbook she wouldnt shut up. She told EVERYONE how his scumbucket self left town with not-so-much as a Dear Jane letter and not one article of clothing or a single document. 10 years later the SOB pops up in California with a 20 year old wife and a tax debt from hell. No one questioned my mom, no one even investigated. The guys parents were dead and he was an only child... the police didnt care, the divorce court only made mom put an ad in the paper before they granted the divorce. Even the guys JOB was surprised.... My mother was HEATED and never once considered any other scenario. She knew he ran away.

 

[BladeRunner]

i think Dale will get away with murder. SO sad because MP looked like a lovely person, the kind we would like to have as a freind, and there is nothing anyone can do about this selfishmonstwer who took their kids mom away from them ...

 

[Jazzmaster]

i think Dale will get away with murder. SO sad because MP looked like a lovely person, the kind we would like to have as a freind, and there is nothing anyone can do about this selfishmonstwer who took their kids mom away from them ...

IMO Dale is not smart so he will mess up again somewhere....Men like him don't stop beating women, don't stop getting arrested, and eventually mess up again. A ticking time bomb like Dale is ready to explode...who will be his next victim is the biggest question. Will he turn on a friend if they say or do the wrong thing? Will it be an innocent victim? Will he abuse another girlfriend? Maybe another altercation at his little star wars debutante ball? Maybe he will mess up while on drugs and booze? All I know is his kind doesn't change...just the victims and circumstances. He will blame it on someone else...it was THEIR FAULT....He is not willing to admit HE is the problem so their will be more problems down the road IMO...

I feel bad for the "next" victim and there will be one IMO...so it may take time to find WHAT happened to Michelle. We will never rest, we will find the TRUTH, and justice will be served. I have the FAITH!

 

[Pias]

Snips from:
US Marine Corps - Close Combat Manual
as found at:
http://www.combatical.com/p/marine-corps-martial-arts-program.html

Marine Corps Martial Arts Program
The Marine Corps Martial Arts Program is a combat system developed by the United States Marine Corps to combine existing and new hand-to-hand and close quarters combat (CQC) techniques with morale and team-building functions and instruction in the Warrior Ethos. The program, which began in 2001, trains Marines (and U.S. Navy personnel attached to Marine units) in unarmed combat, edged weapons, weapons of opportunity, and rifle and bayonet techniques. It also stresses mental and character development, including the responsible use of force, leadership, and teamwork.

MCMAP Belts
The program uses an advancement system of colored belts similar to that of most martial arts. The different levels of belts are:

Tan belt, the lowest color belt and conducted during entry level training, signifies the basic understanding of the mental, physical, and character disciplines. It is the minimum requirement of all Marines with a training time of 27.5 hours and has no prerequisites. Recruits receive these belts after completion of a practical application test on all of the basic techniques of the Tan Belt.

Gray belt is the second belt attained after 46 hours of training. It signifies an intermediate understanding of the basic disciplines. The Marine must complete the "Leading Marines" course from the Marine Corps Institute, and most instructors will require a report be completed on the Marine Raiders.

Green belt is the third belt, requiring 55 hours of training. This belt signifies understanding of the intermediate fundamentals of the different disciplines. This is the first belt level in which one can become an instructor, which allows him or her to teach tan and grey belt techniques with the power to award the appropriate belt. The prerequisites for this belt include a recommendation from reporting senior, and to be an instructor requires the Marine to be a Corporal or higher.

*See link above for more levels, etc...*

http://www.combatical.com/p/6-chokes-and-holds.html

CHOKES AND HOLDS
WARNING

During training, never execute a choke at full force or full speed and never hold a choke for more than 5 seconds.

When Marines correctly perform a choke, they render an opponent unconscious in as little as 8 to 13 seconds. Chokes are easily performed regardless of size or gender. Marines must know how to apply chokes and how to counter a choke or a hold executed by an opponent.

1. Types of Chokes
There are two types of chokes: an air choke and a blood choke. (snip).
A blood choke cuts off the blood flow to the brain.
Both types can result in unconsciousness and eventual death for an opponent.

Blood Choke

A blood choke is performed on the opponent’s carotid artery, which carries oxygen-enriched blood from the heart to the brain. The carotid artery is located on both sides of the neck. If Marines execute a blood choke properly, the opponent will lose consciousness within 8 to 13 seconds. The blood choke is the preferred choke because its intended effect (i.e., the opponent losing consciousness) can be executed quickly, ending the fight.

*See link above for more info*

http://www.combatical.com/p/4-strikes.html

STRIKES
Principles of Punches
Muscle Relaxation

Muscle relaxation is crucial when executing punches. The natural tendency in a fight is to tense up, which results in rapid fatigue and decreased power generation. Marines who remain relaxed during a close combat situation generate greater speed, which results in greater generation of power. Relaxing the forearms generates speed and improves reaction time. At the point of impact, Marines clench the fist to cause damage to the opponent and avoid injury to the wrist and hand.

Rapid Retraction

When Marines deliver a punch, rapid retraction of the fist is important. Once the hand has made contact with the target, Marines quickly return to the basic warrior stance. Rapid retraction... prevents the opponent from being able to grab the hand or arm.

Punches
Punches may be thrown during any hand-to-hand confrontation. Most people resort to punching because it is a natural reaction to a threat. The purpose of a punch is to stun the opponent or to set him up for a follow-up finishing technique. However, punches should only be executed to the soft tissue areas of an opponent. A correctly delivered punch maximizes the damage to an opponent while minimizing the risk of injury to Marines.

Punches are executed using the basic fist. To make the basic fist, the fingers are curled naturally into the palm of the hand and the thumb is placed across the index and middle fingers. Do not clench the fist until movement has begun. This reduces muscular tension in the forearm and
increases speed and reaction time. Just before impact, Marines exert muscular tension on the hand and forearm to maximize damage to the opponent and reduce their chances of injury. Contact should be made with the knuckles of the index and middle fingers. When striking with the basic fist, Marines must keep the hand straight, or in line, with the wrist to avoid injury to the wrist.

The knife hand is one of the most versatile and devastating strikes.

*See link above for more info*
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MOO
If it is true that within a lie, lies truth, then let us take a closer look at what was possible.

Let us suppose that to drag things out only leads to more chances for making mistakes and getting caught.

Let us suppose that everything could have been accomplished, lest one thing, by the time most people were getting off of work- 5pm. The obvious thing left to do, not that it COULD'NT be done before 5, but rather, was decidedly kept AROUND to do until it no longer held value, was disposing of the cellphone.

Let's start with his military training in mind, which emphasizes speed and efficiency in procuring 'situations,' even beyond the attack.

There are additional types of chokes that can render one unconscious in as little as 5 seconds but this represents Marine training that we could expect Jr to have.

I want to reiterate that when such a choke is applied after one loses consciousness, it can lead to a vegetative state, leaving no cadaver trail, or of course, death.

The punch and strike could debilitate an opponent quickly and efficiently, with little or no damage to the attacker.

Armed with the above training, it dispels the idea that Dale would have to have defensive wounds, and why there wouldn't necessarily need to be a struggle or even blood, and we haven't even touched on neck breaking, falling down stairs, or getting slammed with a door. Nor have we touched on the sad fact that he could have left her in a vegetative state when he abandoned her.

The time it would take for any one or combination of these things to happen, are seconds, not minutes. It would take longer making the call for help for dispensing of the evidence, if it was indeed spontaneous AND Jr was home alone AND he was truly at his parents house by 4:30.

If it was more like between 4:30 and 4:45, then he didn't even need to ask for help until he got to his parents house, because the only thing left to do would be moving the Hummer and it would remove the issue of who could have had the phone at Hoffner and Semoran at 4:26.

However, once we have to divide Dale as being at his parents BY 4:30, we MUST introduce assistance since it is impossible to get from Hoffner near Semeron to Rose in 4 minutes.

But, when given even just a few extra minutes, it could show Dale had possession of Michelle and the cellphone.

Could the eyewitness be just a few minutes off? Is it possible he arrived at his parents at 4:43? If not, then it would affirm he had assistance.

Five minutes was ample time to cause harm, load everyone up in the truck, and call for help if it was needed. The remaining hour and 7 minutes used to take care of the dirty work and arriving at mom and dad's BY 4:30. The party arriving from Rose, would interestingly enough, be able to arrive at the condo around 4 O'clock, a time we have heard. But it only takes about 6 minutes to get back to where the phone pings, so we have a lapse of about 20 minutes, allowing the accomplices ample time to remove the decal(s) and 'tidy up the SUV and the condo' before needing to leave in time to reach the proper ping location.

If 2 people came from mom and dad's to help, (not necessarily mom and dad, but from that address), they could easily arrive in time to get the ping back to the 4:26 area since the drive can be made in about a half hour (Rose, to condo, and back to Hoffner/Semoran). Add another 34 minutes from there for the accomplices to leave the Hummer at Walden, and they could be back to Rose by 5pm. The driver that came from Rose, could take the phone, and the passenger could take the Hummer and they could go in different directions, or they could keep the phone and Hummer together, in either case, meeting up at Walden, then heading back to Rose together.

It would be unlikely that Dale would hold onto something of such significance that he wished to dispose of anyway, any longer than necessary. It is unlikely he thought of her as a trophy any longer once it became apparent she would never be his 'trophy wife,' so he likely felt little need by that point to 'parade her around' any longer to show-off to anyone what he had done to her.

If Dale and Michelle left at the same time, as his attorney suggests, but they did not arrive at Rose together, AND if Dale is responsible for what happened, this would indicate she was in the truck (probably the bed) and she would have to be within an area not to exceed the limits of available time, thusly, limiting the possibilities of where she could be.

Since Dale suggests she stayed10 minutes and left, it is likely she is less than 15 minutes from the condo. That would narrow down the playing field.

This is possible. This is MOO.