FL FL - Sumter Co, 'Little Miss Panasoffkee', WhtFem 17-24, 470UFFL, Feb'71

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Hi,
This is my first time ever posting here, but I read all the time. I watched Unsolved Mysteries today and there was a story about an unidentified woman found in Florida in 1971. Here is the story:

http://unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mur_little_miss_p.htm

I went to Doe Network just to start looking at missing women around that time frame and found this woman who seems to fit:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1238dfoh.html

What are your thoughts? It was the scar on the right foot that really makes me think it's the same girl.

And I am adding this: I just realized that the height and weight are really off on that girl, but here is another one who has had a baby and was a lot closer to FL than the first one. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2327dfga.html
 
OK - at the risk of looking completely nuts, here goes ...

I was looking for possibles for Little Miss Panasoffkee. This is an old case, so there were only a few possibles that were the right height, age, ethnicity, etc.

I stumbled across Pamela Ann Nater, and saw that both cases are from Florida (about 40-50 miles apart) and then I realized that her face aligns PERFECTLY to the drawings. .

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nater_pamela.html

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The above photos are sized equally, so you can see for yourselves by dragging the photos over one another.

Of course, I said to myself "NO WAY!", and started ticking off reasons why this couldn't possibly be a match.

  • There is no indication that she had an ankle operation. (But no indication that she didn't)
  • There is no indication that she had given birth. (But the same could have been said about Jaycee Dugard.)
  • She disappeared with her acquaintance, Nancy Leichner, and they certainly must have been murdered and buried. (But where is the evidence that this happened?)
  • There is a lag of more than four years between her disappearance, and LMP's death (But without evidence of a contemporaneous murder, that's meaningless)
  • There is a serial killer who is assumed to have been involved, and confessed to a jailhouse snitch that he killed them. (I'll spare you from the old cliche about "assuming", and the obvious retort about the reliability of jailhouse snitches. And even if he was her killer - He was still at large in 1971. Could he have been another P. Garrido?)
  • LE has "followed up on hundreds of leads". They HAD TO have already checked her out as a possible (But there is no rule-out list to verify).

Should I send the case manager an e-mail starting with "I know this sounds nuts, but ...", to see whether she has ever been ruled out?
 
They certainly look like a possible match CarlK. Good find.
 
CarlK90245 said:
OK - at the risk of looking completely nuts, here goes ...

I was looking for possibles for Little Miss Panasoffkee. This is an old case, so there were only a few possibles that were the right height, age, ethnicity, etc.

I stumbled across Pamela Ann Nater, and saw that both cases are from Florida (about 40-50 miles apart) and then I realized that her face aligns PERFECTLY to the drawings. .

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nater_pamela.html

2813678340045078242S600x600Q851.jpg


The above photos are sized equally, so you can see for yourselves by dragging the photos over one another.

Of course, I said to myself "NO WAY!", and started ticking off reasons why this couldn't possibly be a match.

  • There is no indication that she had an ankle operation. (But no indication that she didn't)
  • There is no indication that she had given birth. (But the same could have been said about Jaycee Dugard.)
  • She disappeared with her acquaintance, Nancy Leichner, and they certainly must have been murdered and buried. (But where is the evidence that this happened?)
  • There is a lag of more than four years between her disappearance, and LMP's death (But without evidence of a contemporaneous murder, that's meaningless)
  • There is a serial killer who is assumed to have been involved, and confessed to a jailhouse snitch that he killed them. (I'll spare you from the old cliche about "assuming", and the obvious retort about the reliability of jailhouse snitches. And even if he was her killer - He was still at large in 1971. Could he have been another P. Garrido?)
  • LE has "followed up on hundreds of leads". They HAD TO have already checked her out as a possible (But there is no rule-out list to verify).
Should I send the case manager an e-mail starting with "I know this sounds nuts, but ...", to see whether she has ever been ruled out?
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I would definitely send it in. You never know. I attended FSU in Tallahassee and frequently drove down to South Florida and would pass Lake Panasoffkee. It is about as desolate of an area as it gets, the type of place where the gas station in town has two 1950's style pumps. I recall this case from Unsolved Mysteries years ago. Let us know if you send this in and receive a response.
 
Looking in the NamUs casefile for this case, I saw several discrepancies between NamUs and the information from the DoeNet and Unsolved.com articles.

NamUs: https://identifyus.org/cases/6040
Unsolved.com: http://unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mur_little_miss_p.htm
DoeNet: http://doenetwork.org/cases/470uffl.html

NamUs indicates that she was found on September 19, 1971. DoeNet and Unsolved.com indicate she was found on February 19, 1971.

NamUs indicates that she was 66 inches (i.e., 5'6"). The other two indicate 5'2".
 
CarlK90245 said:
OK - at the risk of looking completely nuts, here goes ...

I was looking for possibles for Little Miss Panasoffkee. This is an old case, so there were only a few possibles that were the right height, age, ethnicity, etc.

I stumbled across Pamela Ann Nater, and saw that both cases are from Florida (about 40-50 miles apart) and then I realized that her face aligns PERFECTLY to the drawings. .

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nater_pamela.html

2813678340045078242S600x600Q851.jpg


The above photos are sized equally, so you can see for yourselves by dragging the photos over one another.

Of course, I said to myself "NO WAY!", and started ticking off reasons why this couldn't possibly be a match.

  • There is no indication that she had an ankle operation. (But no indication that she didn't)
  • There is no indication that she had given birth. (But the same could have been said about Jaycee Dugard.)
  • She disappeared with her acquaintance, Nancy Leichner, and they certainly must have been murdered and buried. (But where is the evidence that this happened?)
  • There is a lag of more than four years between her disappearance, and LMP's death (But without evidence of a contemporaneous murder, that's meaningless)
  • There is a serial killer who is assumed to have been involved, and confessed to a jailhouse snitch that he killed them. (I'll spare you from the old cliche about "assuming", and the obvious retort about the reliability of jailhouse snitches. And even if he was her killer - He was still at large in 1971. Could he have been another P. Garrido?)
  • LE has "followed up on hundreds of leads". They HAD TO have already checked her out as a possible (But there is no rule-out list to verify).

Should I send the case manager an e-mail starting with "I know this sounds nuts, but ...", to see whether she has ever been ruled out?
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I think you should send it in -- looks very close to me. The time discrepancy is weird, but maybe for some reason the two women decided to walk out on their lives.
 
I downloaded Camtasia and made a video clip showing how the two images overlay each other, although I am not sure how to show it here.

I'm trying to compose a concise e-mail that will convince the case manager to overlook the obvious discrepancies, and check it out via DNA or dentals, if they have not done so already. I can attach the video clip to the e-mail.

I have a feeling that this could be one of those cases where they just said "No way" without actually going through the trouble of checking for a positive rule-out.
 
OK - Here's the letter that I sent to the NamUs case manager for this case.

Dona:

I was looking at the case of "Little Miss Panasoffkee" Jane Doe found Feb 19, 1971.

NamUs: https://identifyus.org/cases/6040
DoeNetwork: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/470uffl.html

While looking at possible matches for this unidentified decedent, I came across Pamela Ann Nater.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/nater_pamela.html

I was initially struck by her overall resemblance to the reconstruction and the close proximity (about 40 miles) from her hometown of Altoona to Lake Panasoffkee. But when I overlaid her photo over the facial reconstruction, I was amazed to find that their facial features align to each other perfectly (See attached video clip). The only place where the photos don’t align are at the left jawline. But this is because Pamela’s head is turned very slightly to her right in the photo, resulting in a slightly more direct aspect of her left jaw. Their right jawlines, as well as all other facial features, align perfectly.

Has Pamela Nater ever been compared and POSITIVELY ruled out as a match to this decedent? -- And if so, do you know what the basis was for the rule out?

Looking at the circumstances, timeframe and physical details not mentioned in Pamela’s profile, they appear to be unlikely matches. However, none of these apparent inconsistencies can’t be overcome by a hypothetical (albeit unlikely) scenario.
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And I uploaded the video to YouTube, so here's the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSoZGCmJpZE
 
Her name us says she still had baby teeth Plural. I think she is younger than was initially thought. I'd like to see a forensic odontologist look at her teeth and give us an age estimate. IMO Pamela Nater while looking very similar is too old. She would have been 25 at the time Little miss P was found.
 
PATRICIA JOAN CHESHER
Case Type: Endangered Runaway
DOB: Feb 17, 1957
Missing Date: Jun 17, 1969
Sex: Female
Race: White
Height: 4'0" (122 cm)
Weight: 86 lbs (39 kg)
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Missing City: ALBUQUERQUE
Missing State : NM

Circumstances: Patricia's photo is shown age-progressed to 53 years. She was last seen on June 17, 1969. She was last seen wearing a multicolor plaid dress and tennis shoes. Patricia's nickname is Patty.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2893dfnm.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/8865/0/
 

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rpipergirl said:
Her name us says she still had baby teeth Plural. I think she is younger than was initially thought. I'd like to see a forensic odontologist look at her teeth and give us an age estimate. IMO Pamela Nater while looking very similar is too old. She would have been 25 at the time Little miss P was found.
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I have two baby teeth and I am almost 40. It's a genetic condition - not uncommon at all.
 
I dont know what to think.....the profiles dont match at all but the photos certainly are a match .......
 
i need help finding this case the name came to me this am i am almost 90 percent sure she has a thread on her. i first saw her case years ago as a teen on unsolved mysteries. she is an unidentified person. they called her panashofsky or panashofski
( that was not her name but a name they gave her due to the area she was found in) the spelling is way off. i did a google with both spellings and names and nothing came up. i even imputed the words unsolved and nothing. i believe she was from the south maybe florida area. my memories of this case are fuzzy due to its been years since i have seen it on tv im not sure if it was a little girl or a teen or a young adult early 20s .
 
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