GUILTY GA - Lauren Giddings, 27, Macon, 26 June 2011 # 3

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I just watched the show. I am still not convinced SM did this. I think everything is still up in the air. You can bet I will be asking my daughter about the night of the rage thing. I know this was supposed to be a "safe" area, but crimes still took place regularly. I am not sure this is connected to the rage in particular. However, it has given me another theory.

With LG's stuff being left in her locked apartment (which is not as big a deal since the key was right outside), I can see someone she knew knocking on her door and saying something happened to her car, or even their own car. Or maybe something about a hurt animal. I do know there are cats and kittens all over the freaking place in the area. My daughter fed about 10 of them outside her back door (right at the apartment building) the whole time she was there. Someone she knows lures her out, as was mentioned in the news story as a logical possibility. Once outside, things go from bad to worse.

But, I keep thinking about how strong she was physically. I think someone strong had to take her. That makes me lean towards someone she knew who was very athletic or physically active - think someone who works out all the time or is in a physically demanding job. This person had to have the strength to overpower her quickly, shut her up, get her out of sight, and do whatever they did. They had to be able to easily manipulate moving a body and then have the strength and endurance to manage whatever tools were needed to dismember the body.

Add to that, they had to clean up everything. This had to be done rather quickly because they had no clue when people would come looking. They thought at best they only had until midmorning before someone was looking for her. This perp could not have known they had days. With that in mind, her body would not have been in that apartment by the next morning unless there was a messy scene. And she would have been out of the complex completely within a short period of time. Risking going in and out of various apartments is unlikely. Slipping in and out of an apartment when someone is missing, even if it isn't yet reported, would be way too dangerous. While people may not remember you were in and out of the apartments if nothing happens, once they hear someone is missing, they can pretty easily remember things that were wrong within the last several days.

The door to who did it is still open in my mind. I really do hope it is SM. I am just not comfortable with that supposition at this time.

As for the email and LG's sister's response, I don't see it as being different than what SM said, exactly. He was responding after first reading it and knowing she was missing right then. The sister has had time to read it more fully and digest it in connection with the tone and attitude of her sister. He read "break in" and "afraid" the same moment he realized she was really missing. Dots connected in that instant. Her sister heard she was missing and then heard about an email. She was disappointed that it wasn't a big warning because it might have been a clue if it were. Two totally different perspectives based on what was happening when you were presented with the information.

I don't know what to believe. I know what I want the answer to be, but I am not feeling it. If it is SM, get him! I am all for that. But if it isn't, warn the community. And find this killer.
 
I, too, watched the Fox News Judge Pirro special on Lauren tonight.

Dr. Wecht indicated that since Lauren was in great physical shape that she was possibly over taken by a hit to her head which would allow the perp to continue with the crime regardless of his size.

Another thing he mentioned was she was most likely lured outside. If McD did this, then he could have taken her to his apartment for the continuation of the crime. Being in his own venue would have given him more control and he would not have had to worry so much about intrusion since he had few visitors.

The profiler on the Judge Pirro show referred to the perp's opportunity as time enough to do the crime and a place to dismember the body.

Kaitlyn did not discount McD as the perp. She believes the evidence will reveal the perp, but she hoped that she would not have looked into the eyes of anyone who could have done this to her sister.

On another thought:
I read through all the recent theories on this thread.
Even though some were interesting, I am in the same mindset as Colonel Mustard as copied and stated in his post below:

Colonel Mustard said:
We can sit here all day and dream up scenarios like this and even the one about McD being kept in jail so they can catch the real killer, but is there any rational basis whatsoever for it? What we do know is that the Macon police have investigated the boyfriend and that is not something they are continuing to follow. We know that the've spent a tremendous amount of time investigating McD, and while they haven't charged him, we do know that there is at least some evidence pointing in his direction. They have acknowledged this. They have continuously advised that they are waiting for the results of those investigations, and yet they continue investigating in that same direction and collecting more evidence, BASED UPON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FBI. This is not a wild goose chase. They have reasons why they have spent so much time in those three apartments. While we all wish they would reveal more information so we could all have answers, they are doing their job, to the very best of their abilities and will release information when they can do so without jeopardizing their investigation and any criminal prosecution resulting from it.
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If we consider this case based on what we know to be true, then here is the basis for our reasoning:

*Laurens body was wrapped in plastic and found in the trash can outside and on the grounds of Barristers Hall apts

*200 + pieces of evidence have been collected from Barristers Hall Apt and sent to the FBI and GBI labs for testing

*The Macon LE declared 3 apts in Barristers Hall Apts the crime scene.

*McD's apt was searched by LE three different times

*A large refrigerator was removed as evidence from the downstairs BH apt.

*McD, who lived directly next door to Lauren, had a master key to all BH apts

*McD entered 2 of the BH apts. and stole items

*McD was locked up on July 1 and remains in jail.

*Only one person, McD, has been named publicly as a POI

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I do not believe there is any type of a 'set up' for the POI.
From what I can tell, the Macon LE, GBI and FBI are working hard to solve this case.
They have a lot of info and technology at their disposal which is key in the search for the facts.
I believe this crime will be solved through their forensic testing and all other evidence collected.
It is my understanding that Macon LE can keep McD incarcerated for 90 days on this current burglary charge.
If that is a fact, then this case is on the front burner and it is not necessary to disclose info to the public at this time.
The investigators and forensic specialists have time on their side to do a thorough job in testing the evidence to make sure that when they have finished their jobs that no mistakes are made so that the truth is known.
 
Sandstorm said:
I, too, watched the Fox News Judge Pirro special on Lauren tonight.

Dr. Wecht indicated that since Lauren was in great physical shape that she was possibly over taken by a hit to her head which would allow the perp to continue with the crime regardless of his size.

Another thing he mentioned was she was most likely lured outside. If McD did this, then he could have taken her to his apartment for the continuation of the crime. Being in his own venue would have given him more control and he would not have had to worry so much about intrusion since he had few visitors.

The profiler on the Judge Pirro show referred to the perp's opportunity as time enough to do the crime and a place to dismember the body.

Kaitlyn did not discount McD as the perp. She believes the evidence will reveal the perp, but she hoped that she would not have looked into the eyes of anyone who could have done this to her sister.

On another thought:
I read through all the recent theories on this thread.
Even though some were interesting, I am in the same mindset as Colonel Mustard as copied and stated in his post below:




If we consider this case based on what we know to be true, then here is the basis for our reasoning:

*Laurens body was wrapped in plastic and found in the trash can outside and on the grounds of Barristers Hall apts

*200 + pieces of evidence have been collected from Barristers Hall Apt and sent to the FBI and GBI labs for testing

*The Macon LE declared 3 apts in Barristers Hall Apts the crime scene.

*McD's apt was searched by LE three different times

*A large refrigerator was removed as evidence from the downstairs BH apt.

*McD, who lived directly next door to Lauren, had a master key to all BH apts

*McD entered 2 of the BH apts. and stole items

*McD was locked up on July 1 and remains in jail.

*Only one person, McD, has been named publicly as a POI

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I do not believe there is any type of a 'set up' for the POI.
From what I can tell, the Macon LE, GBI and FBI are working hard to solve this case.
They have a lot of info and technology at their disposal which is key in the search for the facts.
I believe this crime will be solved through their forensic testing and all other evidence collected.
It is my understanding that Macon LE can keep McD incarcerated for 90 days on this current burglary charge.
If that is a fact, then this case is on the front burner and it is not necessary to disclose info to the public at this time.
The investigators and forensic specialists have time on their side to do a thorough job in testing the evidence to make sure that when they have finished their jobs that no mistakes are made so that the truth is known.
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A rational and well thought out analysis - Thank you!
 
A lot of what is posted here is rational....most of it....fact is none of us know...this is all IMO and JMO and we all need to remember that and chill a bit...
 
I do think the raising degree of frustration here and the "ratcheting up of rhetoric" here is probably a good reflection of what LE and maconites are being to feel as well
 
SmoothOperator said:
The FBI involvement is not as strange or unusual as some are making it to be and that only if x, y, and z are in place then only can the FBI be involved.. Totally untrue and just as many who have followed cases here the FBI is involved in many cases that do not have x, y, or z..
Kyron Horman
Haleigh Cummings
Lauren Spierer
Holly Bobo

The list can go on and on and on.. And as for interstate kidnapping being involved in the Dunn case I think most know that the evidence led nowhere near an interstate but rather began and ended in her own home.. Holly Bobo's investigators still claim that Holly is in the area and nothing to indicate she's ever left the area and certainly never left the state..

So it's just not true that these certain cases have to have these x, y, and z components in order for FBI involvement.. It's not true.. FBI is involved in many more cases than what are being alluded to.. It is easily found to be true..
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Thank-you, Smooth, and the others who posted on the FBI connection.

I am not a lawyer, but, I certainly do appreciate the fact checking that has gone on overnight with respect to the FBI comment.

It can be very misleading to use a broad stroke making statements, and people can assume something is fact. I am not so sure that it is 100% cut and dry with their involvement in any case, at any rate.
 
This may have nothing to do with SM's appearance, but it might.

When I was in law school, during third year, I recall that some of the young men stopped shaving and cutting their hair until after graduating and taking the bar exam. I suppose it had something to do with it being their last opportunity to look like Neanderthals before officially heading off into the often stuffy and mostly groomed world of legal practice. Or maybe it's simply a way to underscore a momentous occasion in a young lawyer's life. This recollection popped into my head and I started to wonder whether it's a rite of passage which is practiced beyond a few guys in my class. A very quick search revealed at least one facebook page dedicated to the concept at another school.

Maybe that explains the change in his appearance.

One might wonder why he wouldn't just go ahead with that shave and a haircut under the circumstances, but who knows what's going on? Maybe he's stubbornly clinging to the hope that this will go away and he can go back to living his life. Maybe the concept behind the vow is very important to him and he isn't emotionally willing to let it go until he accomplishes what he promised to himself.

Just an idea.
 
JeannieC said:
I believe there are exceptions. If local LE requests their assistance.
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Re: FBI assistance being requested

FBI "volunteered" to help local police
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=134601
At 9:35 in the above video CB states that FBI called and "volunteered" their services, and MPD accepted their offer.

News media says FBI "volunteered". http://www.13wmaz.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=134738

In a different article, FBI special agent Emmett says they only get involved in local cases by invitation.
FBI Agent Discusses Involvement in Local Case
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=135540

Seems to me the FBI are VERY interested in this case if they volunteered their services on day one. To me, this indicates there is more to this crime than the public is aware.
 
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hope this works, but this is another view of SM that I found.

I think until charges are brought we must remember that we all share the presumption of innocence under the law.
 
Dupree said:
Re: FBI assistance being requested

FBI "volunteered" to help local police
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=134601
At 9:35 in the above video CB states that FBI called and "volunteered" their services, and MPD accepted their offer.

News media says FBI "volunteered". http://www.13wmaz.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=134738

In a different article, FBI special agent Emmett says they only get involved in local cases by invitation.
FBI Agent Discusses Involvement in Local Case
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=135540

Seems to me the FBI are VERY interested in this case if they volunteered their services on day one. To me, this indicates there is more to this crime than the public is aware.
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Nice catch & attn to detail. I also think there may be more to it than we know.
 
If the FBI volunteered to help that lends creedance to the wit protection or FBI informant/employee theory now doesn't it....

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southern_comfort said:
This recollection popped into my head and I started to wonder whether it's a rite of passage which is practiced beyond a few guys in my class. A very quick search revealed at least one facebook page dedicated to the concept...
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Good thought, but old family photos show he had the same hairstyle since before he would have started law school. I think he just likes doing his hair that way.
 
It seems as though the initial involvement of the FBI may or may not be indicative of something "else" that we don't know about, but the question of why the results are taking so long almost certainly indicates something greater (or the suspicion of the authorities that there might be something greater) than we know.

We can only speculate the answer to that mystery, but we do know 1) the thorough list of facts Col. Mustard compiled above and 2) SM and his attorney appear to be complicit in the delay, going so far as to supply a convenient legal request which keeps him in jail for a while longer (a curious move given SM's legal background).

Based on the above, my SPECULATION is that the delay isn't due to SM NOT being connected to some of the forensics. I can't imagine that 70+ pieces of evidence went out, from a dismemberment, and no connection was found, leading LE to say, "Hey, this dismemberment must have been cleaned up really well, let's get 100+ more pieces, because surely we'll find a spec of something somewhere." An initial sweep of a dismemberment scene would surely reveal something, if such a thing happened there. And there's no way I believe that NONE of the results have been communicated to local authorities.
 
I watched the Fox News show, and I do not draw the same conclusion as SmoothOperator regarding Caitlyn's statement. I think that because this case was profiled on this show, and that Chief Burns agreed to be interviewed for it, and says there are several persons of interest that they are trying to go through process of elimination leads me to believe they do not know who did it. The night of rage / gang initiation theory is one I have heard before, now that's something the Macon paper would keep under wraps ! I also believe Jacque Waller's husband killed her, and I wish her father would get his hands on that weasel and make him disappear like he did to his beautiful wife and the mother of their triplets. Very Sad . And Chief Burns is excellent, people need to stop bashing him. Full resources of FBI, GBI and Macon PD are on this thing !
 
PsychoMom said:
I know this. And I am a Mercer mom, currently. I am talking about public perception.
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This kind of stuff can happen at any school, look at Phillip Stark, Danny Rollings, Ted Bundy; it might scare the town and visitors from coming for a bit, but eventually the fear subsides, and the city and school goes back to it's reputation. Students have not stopped attending BUSM after the recent Craigs List Killer shocked the nation. If visitors read Macons reaction to this murder, they will know this is still a tight kit Middle GA town.
 
I know they will get past it. They always do. But that one year that it does impact actually impacts the next 4 years of income to the community. And an unsolved high profile murder involving a college campus this close to the new school year does impact where a parent sends their child.
 
PsychoMom said:
I know they will get past it. They always do. But that one year that it does impact actually impacts the next 4 years of income to the community. And an unsolved high profile murder involving a college campus this close to the new school year does impact where a parent sends their child.
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I know you are sincerely scared as a Mercer mom, but I believe the first thing we care about is safety and justice for the Giddings' family. Income to the town really should not be a concern to the residents. That would be heartless.

Again, i am sure you will have a rebuttal for this entry, but I again point out Danny Rollings, Danny Rolling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, who killed five students back to back in the first few days of the Fall Semeter!! Sent everyone in a panic, UF almost 21 years ago became an all-boys school, since all the parents pulled their daughters out. UF and the town of Gviile recovered rather quickly. In fact, some people became very interested in gvile after the attention and some people couldn't even tell you who Rollings is. http://www.alligator.org/app/pt2/specials/rolling/memories.html
 
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