ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 59

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Kdot112 said:
IMO even though DM didn’t call 911, I am sure she contacted several people that night about what she saw.

I also think the conversations comforted her because she would be asked if the man left (yes), are other people home (yes, like 5 other people), do they sound like they’re still freaking out(no), where are you (locked in my room because I don’t care I’m sketched out). A few more comforting thoughts from friends about at least it sounds like it’s over and that’s how she ends up falling asleep.
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She may just say idk for most questions at that point
 
August 21, 2022: Bryan Kohberger’s phone, ending in 8458 - was picked up by a cellphone tower providing coverage to the murder house - 1122 King Road, Moscow, Idaho.

He was in the vicinity of the victims’ home between 10:34pm and 11:35pm that night.

Kohberger was picked up by a cellphone tower near the property at least 11 more times before the murders on November 13. Cops have yet to share further details of those subsequent visits.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Idaho 'killer' Bryan Kohberger stalked murder victims' home 12 TIMES

It reveals how Kohberger turned his phone off on the night of the murders in an attempt to cover his tracks before the murders - turning it off before getting too close to the home.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
SuzieQurious said:
What I saw what you allude to . . . it seems this suspect was trying to find and stay in treatment and also channel energies into other pursuits. I wish we could have more open discussions and more high level access to information about mental health. It can be really hard if alone and outside of larger urban areas with resources and experts--Philly is mentioned but who knows if they made it there or if it was helpful treatment.<modsnip - off topic>. Yet, there are many odd involvements. I think it is hard to prove that all 4 murders were done "willfully, deliberately, with premeditation and with malice of afterthought."

<modsnip - general mental health discussion not specific to this case>
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BelleIsle said:
Thank you for sharing this on here.

I'm not sure if we're allowed to attach images & I don't want my entire post removed, but there is a post on there dated March 12th 2011 & it is worth reading. I can see extreme anxiety and fixation, the depression and confusion that goes along with those & possibly a form of mental illness such as schizophrenia (early stages). We can throw in sociopathy if we want an easy out, but what is unique here, is that he seems open to documenting the changes he is experiencing and seeking out ways to reign them in. He was 15 when writing these posts? He seems to have been highly intelligent. Nature/Nurture comes into play where we can't say for sure how much of each contributed to the outcome we have today.
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We're on the same page with this, thank you for your thoughtful words.
 
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Bhodie said:
What exactly did she witness? Sound of K playing with the dog ( after the fact we think that maybe was a murder). E or K saying " Someone is here" well we now know the DoorDash guy came. They also could have had friends/hook-ups over. The faint sounds of a possible cry and a "Don't worry I will help you" she could have thought E & X were having an argument or perhaps they were drunk. Every time she looked out the door she saw nothing strange except for the last time... a guy in dark clothing with a mask covering his nose and mouth. She didn't say she saw blood, a knife, he wasn't running out like he just killed everyone and he could have just had a winter protective hat on covering part of his face. She maybe was caught off guard and scared not expecting to see an unknown man at that hour but she did have other female roommates in the home that could have invited him. There was absolutely no reason to think her roommates had just been murdered. She did not report that she heard screams or yelling of any sort that would alert her to harm or danger. She probably froze for a moment like who TF is that shut her door and locked it and went back to bed. Why would she even think her roommates were being murdered why would that thought have been on her radar? The only people who think she was wrong for not calling is those that know everyone was murdered after the fact.
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ITA. From my first reading of the PCA I felt this was the case. She was trying to pull together everything from her memory that may have been the killer coming in, yet while it was happening, that was the furthest thing on your mind.

Here is an example. I have 3 grown kids, a dog, two cats and a rabbit. I'll wake up in the middle of the night to strange noises all the time, and I am a fairly paranoid person. So I might think - oh a robber is in the house! Then I remember, oh it's probably the rabbit hopping around her crate. Or one of my grown kids is here. Or maybe my daughter is fighting with her boyfriend.

Now, if I was living in a house that was a big party house, and heard noises, I'd think, oh, someone is playing with the dog. Oh, I guess maybe someone just ordered DoorDash and it's here. Not think much of it, other than maybe being annoyed I was awoken. Then, when I surprisingly saw the man leaving and was startled, I wasn't about to say HEY-who are YOU??? I wouldn't be apt to just start questioning some rando in the middle of the night and embarrass them or a roommate. I'd think, oh, maybe one of the girls brought a guy home? Maybe that was one of E's buddies. And even being as paranoid as I am, I wouldn't have gone to - oh - that guy probably just killed all of my roommates. How could she?
 
Kdot112 said:
IMO even though DM didn’t call 911, I am sure she contacted several people that night about what she saw.

I also think the conversations comforted her because she would be asked if the man left (yes), are other people home (yes, like 5 other people), do they sound like they’re still freaking out(no), where are you (locked in my room because I don’t care I’m sketched out). A few more comforting thoughts from friends about at least it sounds like it’s over and that’s how she ends up falling asleep.
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Yes she has to have called someone or done something on her phone because the affidavit stated they used info from her phone as well as Bethany’s to narrow down the time the murders took place to between 4am and 4:25am

So Bethany had activity on her phone as well
 
CSIDreamer said:
What would be the explanation for why his phone never connected with a Moscow tower following the murders, other than his 9 a.m.-ish trip back that morning? JMHO
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I'm not sure that's an explanation that will ever be required. My sense is that this case will revolve around regular forensics rather than digital forensics and car sightings. While helpful for the PCA, I just can't imagine a lot of time being devoted to these things in the trial, if they have (as reported) his DNA at the scene; and even more damning, if they have the victims' DNA in his car or on his belongings.

Of course I could be wrong. :)
 
justwannahelp said:
I think they seized his phone records that began in June for an AT&T account that he opened in June

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong and I’ll delete
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Yes, that's what I found too. From the PCA:

"On December 23,2022,I was granted a search warrant for Kohberger's historical CSLI from June 23, 2022 to current, prospective location information, and a Pen Register/Trap and Trace on the 8458 Phone to aid in efforts to determine if Kohberger stalked any of the victims in this case prior to the offense, conducted surveillance on the King Road Residence, was in contact with any of the victims' associates before or after the alleged offense, any locations that may contain evidence of the murders that occurred on November I3 , 2O22, the location of the white Elantra registered to Kohberger, as well as the location of Kohberger. On December 23, 2022 pursuant to that search warrant, I received historical records for the 8458 Phone from AT&T from the time the account was opened in June 2022. December 23,2022, I was granted a search warrant for Kohberger's historical CSLI from June 23, 2022 to current, prospective location information, and a Pen Register/Trap and Trace on the 8458 Phone to aid in efforts to determine if Kohberger stalked any of the victims in this case prior to the offense, conducted surveillance on the King Road Residence, was in contact with any of the victims' associates before or after the alleged offense, any locations that may contain evidence of the murders that occurred on November I3 , 2O22, the location of the white Elantra registered to Kohberger, as well as the location of Kohberger."
 
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justwannahelp said:
Yes she has to have called someone or done something on her phone because the affidavit stated they used info from her phone as well as Bethany’s to narrow down the time the murders took place to between 4am and 4:25am

So Bethany had activity on her phone as well
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I did not know Bethany had activity on her phone at the time of the murders. I assumed she went to bed around 2:00 and never noticed a thing or it would have been mentioned in the PCA?

Also, question - I recall at the very start of the case, there was talk of a bunch of calls from I believe both KC and MM to MM's ex? Does anyone recall what times those were?
 
gremlin444 said:
As the poster whose 20 yo son has been dealing with severe visual snow issues and the disassociation caused by it for over 2 years now (they haven't gone away, he's just learned to accept and adjust), I'd like to clear up a few things. I have done so much reading on this topic and talked to so many therapists, doctors, and specialists about this. IMHO, IMO, JMHO, and all the alphabet soup.

1) I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THAT IF BK HAD VISUAL SNOW/DEPERSONALIZATION (and the associated issues that can come with it, not to mention the things the person in those Tapatalk posts is mentioning), THAT IT EXCUSES HIS ACTIONS. Nor is it his "motive." If this information is true and it is BK and BK is the murderer (IMHO, yes), what it CAN do is help create a better picture of the person who committed these acts especially if this is something he was dealing with for nearly 10 years during his formative preteen and teenage years.

2) I am in no way saying that if BK is the murderer, and these are his posts, and he did have all these issues going on, that the death penalty shouldn't be applied. BK clearly has the ability to determine right from wrong--even if not internally, his field of studies spells it out quite clearly in all his textbooks and the severity of the crime + the planning that went into it make it (IMHO) an appropriate consequence.

3) With the symptoms that the person writing those Tapatalk posts is describing, it becomes a chicken and egg situation--did the poster have medical or mental health issues that were causing/contributing to the visual snow and depersonalization or was the visual snow causing the DP and the other mental health issues? Or were they coexisting without being causal to each other?

things that can be linked with visual snow (from my research and what my son's doctors have told me): migraines (both stereotypical and visual migraines), result of long term or sudden high frequency use of LSD or marijuana (HPPD, which is technically it's own diagnosis), hyperexcitability of the visual cortex, schizophrenia, auto-immune disorders, and "unknown."

4) Because most of the time doctors can't find the cause for a patient's visual snow, testing is varied and treatment is throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping something works. And it usually doesn't. My son had a sleep study, MRI, neuropsych exam, blood work, in depth eye blood vessel exams, etc. Treatments we tried were medications to reduce lateral eye twitch speed, Gabapentin, anti depressants, and anti anxiety meds. He did DBT, CBT, and transcranial magnetic stimulation (which was also for medication resistant depression). No real improvement from any of these.

If this is BK, and if he did have this disorder, and if things were this bad for him at that young of an age for as long as it was, I sure can feel compassion for him having to endure that. That doesn't mean that I feel compassion for the choices he made. And if my son (heaven forbid) were to commit a criminal act right now, he knows that I'd be the first one on the phone to call the police. And the first to hold him accountable. And I'd be in court making sure his legal rights as determined by a court of a law and state/constitutional were being upheld and that if found guilty, I would 100% accept it.
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Bravo! Perfectly stated. I wish this could be made a sticky at the beginning of this section of the discussion.
 
Had he lived in PA his whole life up until august 2022 do we know? and he was in his very first semester when he allegedly committed the murders?

I’m struggling to get my head around him living in PA his entire life, moving to Washington in august, found his potential victim(s) by 21st august, and murdering them 2.5 months later.
It’s just mind boggling to me. It’s such a drastic quick turnaround
 
justwannahelp said:
Yes she has to have called someone or done something on her phone because the affidavit stated they used info from her phone as well as Bethany’s to narrow down the time the murders took place to between 4am and 4:25am

So Bethany had activity on her phone as well
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The affidavit is after the fact. She now knows there were murders. Quite possibly the perp walked toward her but she thought it was just a guest at the time. In hindsight she was frightened, but while it happened, maybe not. She may always lock her doors. She’s used to seeing people. He may not have seen her. We really won’t know until evidence is released and she’s called as a witness.
 
debbiediablo said:
My perspective about children's behavior is not limited, about 40 years and thousands of kids. There is no way to know whether BCK had mental problems at that time. At one point he was addicted to heroin. At another point he was in rehab. Then he went back to school and did well right up until he is suspected of a gruesome mass murder. Only when a person doesn't truly know right from wrong (and this is challenging to proove) is mental illness an excuse for anything. The best way to deal with kids who have emotional/behavioral/developmental/mental illnesses is a structured environment with well-established boundaries and ample unscheduled incentives, plus counseling and medication if needed. Love them no matter what but never excuse inappropriate behavior as this only invites more of it. MPO
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Yes! And BK was a a criminology student and previously worked as a security guard. He most definitely knew right from wrong.
 
newredtabby said:
This profile pic isn't of someone who was overweight as BK was when he was 15 or 16, as he would have been in 2011.
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I agree. And also, in the post you attached from July 2011, he refers to himself as a "man" and reminisces about what he did as a 15 year old. The writing ability does not seem consistent with a 15 or 16 year old either. I don't think this is BK.
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Original Visual-Snow or Static forum-Can you relate?

I have had this horrible Depersonalization go on in my life for almost 2 years. I often find myself making simple human interactions, but it is as if
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I still think the loud thud was xana collapsing to the floor after being stabbed. Just from what the affidavit says, about her being found on the floor and the fact police were able to see her body from the hallway. If anyone watched the tik tok video kaylee posted of all the roomies making fun of each other, that wooden floor made a racket when they were stomping about. If she fell to the floor I can see that would make a loud thud noise, question is, why didn’t Bethany hear it? She was directly underneath

I still think Ethan was killed in the bed, and that’s his blood was that was dripping on the outside of the house.
 
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