IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #4

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tlcox said:
As to the abuse by two men prior

I dont think he abuse was confirmed. At this point i think that is still speculation that the type of abuse was sexual in natue. I think it likely was but dont think that is a confirmed fact yet
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I can tell you that sexual abuse does not really need to be "confirmed and very often of the time it is not "confirmed" as in the sence that their is evidence.. the crimes of sexual abuse on the news.. yes they are proven due to stranger abduction etc.. but that is normally when it goes to the level of extreme horrific acts to the child and/or murder... in rare cases a life is spared.

ON THE OTHER HAND.. sexual molestation by a family friend/aquaintence/parent/step parent/coach/mentor/older sibling.. those types of sexual abuse is very RARE to have confirmed.. due to what... DUE TO IT IS A DIRTY SECRET THAT THE PERPATRATOR HAS GROOMED THE CHILD INTO KEEPING THEIR MOUTH SHUT... when the child.. when the brave speak up.. it is down to their word against their word... many prosecutors know this happened to the child, they believe the child, they see the mental signs of PTSD,

The two prior men most likley will never be prosecuted... you have a little girl with PSTD, ADHD, hearing issues, vision issues.. scared and not the best witness.. she admitt she is scared of police..

State Attorney will not prosecute unless air tight case.. for instance.. if the forensic interview (meaning the interview by child specialist in finding out fact of the abuse wtihout asking or pushing for answers) if there are any inconsistant statements.. which by kids there could be at time.. their memory releases slowly the abuse.. it is not alll just blurted out at once... the manner in which the child is questioned and how many times they can be questioned is limited in each state to PROTECT the child from too many interviews and trauma from it... so lets just say that somewhere in the justice system that I do believe from my own experience IS TRYING TO HELP THE CHILDREN... but INCEST and FAMILY sexual abuse, abuse from a friend of the family.. there isnt a lot to go on.. a he said she said... sad but true.. I am familiar with this due to my own child being molested.. and her brother was a witness... that didnt matter to state attorney and detectives.. .basically needed a confession from the person... there was no acutal intercourse.. however the slightest penetration is considered sexual battery and child under 11.. felony and punishable by life up to death.... so the prosecutors need to have air tight case.... so these sneaky men and/or women they know this.. they molest, scare, threaten, make the child trust him, appear to be a good loving person, gain trust then abuse it.

My story is with a fathers visitation... I had no clue what so ever what was going on.. in this case showers together, sleeping in same bed, checking my daughters private parts. My little one told me 4 years ago and it has been a constant battle ever since.. this man still shows his face at events he know she will be at to intimadate us.. I have and in process of his parerental rights terminated... not an easy thing to do.... recommended supervised visitation... NO WAY.. I will take my chances and be in contempt of court because there is no way.. over my dead body will he ever touch or see my children again... no i am not low income trash.. well educated, mother, kids with straight A's, private schools, sports, friends.. but there are monsters in all shapes and forms.. can not trust even a father with kids...

I know this is a long post.. but molestation goes on so much.. very very rarely the children speak up.. they are basically brain washed NOT to speak up... can u imagine being a child and being molested and some pervert in your ear telling you this is our secret and if anyone knows somthing real bad could happen to mommy.... the fear the kid lives with day in and out....

THERE HAS GOT TO BE A CAMPAIGN TO MAKE IT KNOWN, HIT THE MEDIA, TALK AND MAKE EVEN THE POOREST EXCUSES OF MOTHERS KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR.. WHAT IS NORMAL, WHAT IS NOT.. TELL YOUR KIDS IT IS OK TO ALWAYS GO WITH GUT FEELING... NEVER BE ASHAMED TO TELL YOUR MOMMY NO MATTER WHAT....



Thank God my daughter is in therapy each week.. a really good therapist.. I am there to hold her at night when she cries for me, when she says no no no... I am there for her when she clings to me when she see's a man who looks like her father.. i am there for her when she says mommy I am scared he is gonna kill me and you cause i told on him.. i am there for her when she looks in mirror and says she is ugly.. i am there.. i am there .. i am there...
The person I am mad at... no not me.. it is not my fault . .it is HIS fault.. to take my trust, my babies and DEMAND visitation.. refuse to let me speak to my kids when they were there... 4 years and we are doing good.. the earlier these things are brought out the percentage of healing qoes up quite a bit.. however PSTD will exist most likley for many many years to come.. incidentally this entire experience has also given me nightmares on a nightly basis, PSTD on my part also... this has turned my life upside down... but the good news..MY DAUGHTER WAS BRAVE.. SHE DID IT.. CONGRATS TO HER FOR SPEAKING UP AND DETERMINATION TO STOP THE MONSTER FROM GETTING FURTHER THAN HE DID..SO TO MY GIRL LOVE YOU

*MEANT IN ABOVE PARAGRAPH.. HE demamded visitation even though the kids did NOT want to go... he would constantly say he will envoke his parental rights..... no more of that... he may rot in hell before he ever see's MY kids again
 
gitana1 said:
When my dad died, I could not bear to look at his things at first, especially not photos of him. I kept away from all of that. It was like a punch in the gut to see his face in a photo.

But, nothing was removed. In fact, 3 years later, I have refused to allow my mom to paint his den, even though she has painted everything else in the house. My mom eventually did give away some of his clothes to the poor, but most if it, I insisted be kept. I organized all his papers, work stuff, his writings, the most mundane things. They are all labeled and boxed and I can't bear to get rid of even the unimportant stuff.

Now I look at his photos every day and talk to him, smile at him, tell him I love him.

Perhaps the mother can't bear it right now. I do understand that. However, to want to remove it all, well, many people do do that. (My mom wanted to burn down the house when my dad died). Still, it seems odd. But maybe everything reminding her of her daughter acts like a monstrously huge, accusing finger, pointing right at her, reminding her that she is the person who gave her child to the demon who murdered and dismembered her.

Can you imagine that feeling?
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Yes I can.

My father in-law died a few months back. We arrived in town the night before the funeral. When I asked his wife of 57 yrs if she had a belt her son could borrow as he forgot his she replied she had already given all his stuff away. She was a basket case and yes we saw the cleaned out closets, she had spent all her time since his death cleaning out all his stuff.
 
Darcyline said:
Was it confirmed that Aliahna was sexually abused two different times before in a previous state and that was the cause of her PTSD?
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Not sure, last I saw here was that it had not be confirmed to be "sexual" as of yet just abuse of some type.
 
smittles said:
They live everywhere,not just dumpy trailer parks.
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Amen.

All RSO's do not comply.

Some don't get convicted.

Some were convicted prior to the registry going into effect.

Some have not offended yet.

They have vehicles and two feet so they can go visit their friend two blocks down or across town.

Each State is different. People are often surprised that in some States depending on their parole RSO's are allowed to use the internet.

Since we're on them though the convicted who speak with reporters. That Shumaker guy lived in three different places in Florida prior to moving to Indiana. Plumadore lived in Florida. Did they know eachother fromd down there?:waitasec:
 
smittles said:
With all this talk about living amongst RSO's I would like to share a little tidbit. We joined lifelock because we've had some issuses with ppl getting ahold of our banking acount infor and just wanted to make sure nothing else happens with our credit or accounts. Anyways, last month I got a notification from them saying that a RSO had moved into my zip code. I had no idea life lock did that also.

On another note. When we bought our house 5 yrs ago, I checked with Watchdog site to make sure there wasn't any RSO's in this neighborhood and there were none. I was pleasantly surprised that there weren't in surrounding neighborhoods either. About 1 1/2 yrs ago I was out walking with my kids and 1 street over I see a sign in this front yard that read, "Person at this residences is a RSO. Has been convicted or a crime against a minor". It is a huge sign, not that it matters. I am disgusted that he lives so close and it seems he likes girls my daughters age. Of course, I don't let her walk to school or her friends house because of it. We live in a very nice neighborhood, beautiful homes, parks, schools. They live everywhere,not just dumpy trailer parks.
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They might live everywhere but that trailer park had them at a very high concentration compared to the rest of the state:
"In other words, three-fifths of the occupied units house a registered sex offender. That's an extraordinary concentration in Indiana, which has only 137 registered sex offenders per 100,000 population — the third-lowest ratio among all 50 states, according to data compiled by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children."
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...r-old-girls-killing-a-haven-for-sex-offenders
 
The only word we have of the two other abuses is the step-grandpa. Who said it/they were caught, but he had no other details. I call BS on the caught and charged by police. I think (IMO<JMO) this family tells lies to cover up. ALL MY SPECULATION, IMO

ETA

Sorry if that sounds harsh. But it seems to me the stories change as each day passes.
 
O/T My town's population is approx. 305,000. Just checked RSO's and found this info. Not sure if this is good or bad. I suck at math.

According to our research of the Virginia and other state lists there were 153 registered sex offenders living in Roanoke in August 2011.
The ratio of number of residents in Roanoke to the number of sex offenders is 618 to 1.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Roanoke-Virginia.html#ixzz1hytuyJoh
 
not_my_kids said:
I know how you feel, I read an article for class a little while ago, about a homeless man that tried to stop a pursesnatcher. The stabbed him four times, and he bled to death on the sidewalk because the people walking by just stepped over him...there were at least a dozen witnesses to the stabbing and many more that walked past without even looking at him.

And I remember wondering if it happened in my city because that's how people are here.
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Hmmm.... sounds like where I grew up in Michigan. I am happy to say that where I live now--Portland, Oregon--people are extremely friendly and helpful.
 
Jacie Estes said:
I see the propane grill to the left of the door but what is in between the grill and the door? I hope it isn't a portable composter. :(
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Sorry if this has been answered- I am still catching up. I believe it is a smoker. For smoking meats.
 
Evan's Mom said:
From that article, I'm assuming the friend either lives in the trailer park or very close to it since the girls rode bikes after school together.
What I'd like to know is, just how many kids live that close all of those RSOs in the trailer park?
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Jumping in on this one,
http://www.herald-mail.com/news/hm-...-lived-in-hagerstown-20111229,0,2373850.story
Article says.
"Aliahna was a student at Winter Street school from January to June 2011, said Richard Wright, a spokesman for Washington County Public Schools."
This is a town, Hagerstown Maryland.

I lived about 100 yards from this school some years back, It is one of the worse "hoods" anyone can live in. It took us 18 months to sell our house at a very "low" selling price.
I cannot figure out why they lived there for 6 months. I have tried tracing all names but come up empty handed.Also, T worked in Chambersburg Penn. at the time and that is about a 30 mile drive one way from Hagerstown, perhaps she carpooled? I cant see her driving all that way to work at a rental store.
Im dying to know about this 6 month situation, this year :waitasec:
 
jjenny said:
They might live everywhere but that trailer park had them at a very high concentration compared to the rest of the state:
"In other words, three-fifths of the occupied units house a registered sex offender. That's an extraordinary concentration in Indiana, which has only 137 registered sex offenders per 100,000 population &#8212; the third-lowest ratio among all 50 states, according to data compiled by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children."
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...r-old-girls-killing-a-haven-for-sex-offenders
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I was thinking about this last night & wondered WHY & what factors are at play that made this happen??

A huge problem for them is once you are labelled on the RSO list, your jobs are limited. There are so many places that check these days (even some McDonalds I have heard ck). So they tend to have fewer & lower job opportunities, so of course they will go to the poor area of town. Warmer parts of the country, where it is cheaper to live like Florida for example that have a high average. But...we are talking about the ones who HAVE been caught, prosecuted & who MADE the list.
 
I forget who said earlier on the threads, but the constant moving from town to town, state to state... These children had no chance to bond with trusted adults outside of family and so-called friends of the family. HINKY IMO
 
neese said:
O/T My town's population is approx. 305,000. Just checked RSO's and found this info. Not sure if this is good or bad. I suck at math.

According to our research of the Virginia and other state lists there were 153 registered sex offenders living in Roanoke in August 2011.
The ratio of number of residents in Roanoke to the number of sex offenders is 618 to 1.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Roanoke-Virginia.html#ixzz1hytuyJoh
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Math? Can't do it either. Roanoke is lovely.:)

Here's my math. At least when my child was little. Everybody is a flippin pedophile. The whole block. If they ain't then all the shifty folks that visit them are. That's how it added up to me. If they weren't yet and were gonna offend my kid wasn't being the one they hurt.

Figure in all the non compliant ones and people in the country without documentation who may have offended in another country and beat it out of there and live in the basement of my neighbors I don't do math.

We had a beautiful little girl murdered in Philly years ago. A guy from Honduras murdered her. Took her right from her own block with her sister there. The Detectives never gave up. Thanks to Arizona and them taking DNA for even bad check writing they found their match. Where is that guy? Nobody knows???????????? He certainly didn't live in a Philly zipcode. Drifter.
 
concentric said:
Why/when did the SO grandfather and MP summon TS and children to help? Apparently for four years SO grandfather and MP did OK?
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Did TS want to Butter up her dad so that she could get inheritance money?
Just an idea.
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Filly said:
Math? Can't do it either. Roanoke is lovely.:)

Here's my math. At least when my child was little. Everybody is a flippin pedophile. The whole block. If they ain't then all the shifty folks that visit them are. That's how it added up to me. If they weren't yet and were gonna offend my kid wasn't being the one they hurt.

Figure in all the non compliant ones and people in the country without documentation who may have offended in another country and beat it out of there and live in the basement of my neighbors I don't do math.

We had a beautiful little girl murdered in Philly years ago. A guy from Honduras murdered her. Took her right from her own block with her sister there. The Detectives never gave up. Thanks to Arizona and them taking DNA for even bad check writing they found their match. Where is that guy? Nobody knows???????????? He certainly didn't live in a Philly zipcode. Drifter.
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Filly
I so agree and felt/feel the same. As a survivor I am jaded, but too bad. And I let anyone who felt slighted know why I did what I did to protect my boy. None objected, none complained. none. And not a damn one would expect less for their own children. That is how it should be. :(
 
octobermoon said:
The only word we have of the two other abuses is the step-grandpa. Who said it/they were caught, but he had no other details. I call BS on the caught and charged by police. I think (IMO<JMO) this family tells lies to cover up. ALL MY SPECULATION, IMO

ETA

Sorry if that sounds harsh. But it seems to me the stories change as each day passes.
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Good point. Step grandpa may have been told the two offenders were caught and these incidents were reported to police, but his being told is no confirmation. Not with the information we've learnt about this family.

I hope LE confirms alleged previous abuse was actually reported.

I almost can't read much more about this case, because, imo, the actions, choices and decisions leading up to Aliahna's murder seem about as logical to me as leaving a toddler in the middle of a 6 lane hwy with traffic moving at 70 mph. It's just mind boggling. All I can do now is pray Aliahna gets justice and her siblings are placed where they will not be subjected to further potential abuse.

JMO
 
octobermoon said:
I forget who said earlier on the threads, but the constant moving from town to town, state to state... These children had no chance to bond with trusted adults outside of family and so-called friends of the family. HINKY IMO
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If I am not mistaken, it is a common MO is any type of domestic abuse, whether it be spousal, child, or domestic sexual abuse, to keep the victims isolated. Make sure they do not form bonds with schoolmates, neighbors.

If people get too close, they might begin to ask questions.
 
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