GUILTY IN - April Tinsley, 8, Fort Wayne, 1 April 1988 *Arrest*

One of the pages I linked indicated that investigators believe the errors in the letters were intentional.

My guess on that would be that he is trying to act/sound childlike, since his profile is one of a man who prefers the company of children over that of adults. Rough handwriting and spelling is a pretty stereotypical way to "pretend" to be childish. He might be pretending to be a child, actually.

Were there any backwards letters? Just the same, the mixing of capitals and minuscules seem to fit with "childish" writing.
 
Hi Guys! Glad to see this topic started. Caught my eye this AM on CNN.com while I was reading about David Caradine. How sad. Anyway, so here's a question for people with more insight to LE than I have...
If they have DNA, while I recognize it can't help if he's not in the system, it should be able to create a profile...race, any unusual makers, etc. Also they could tell if the DNA was always the same person (even if they don't know if it's the unsub or if it's someone they are trying to frame) or if it's random (meaning they are just trying to confuse by sifting thru peoples garbage as someone else suggested earlier) EW!

Anyway, so do we think this, if released would do more harm than good and that's why they aren't giving this info out? Like it would narrow the suspect pool but because we aren't sure if the DNA is the unsub or random it would cause people to overlook others who don't fit the DNA profile but could be the guilty party?

What are your thoughts?
 
They have released that the "donor" is middle aged and white, but not much else - though that is likely due to good old fashion criminal profiling. I assume that the condom samples are all from the same person, or they likely would have mentioned it.

FYI, more info on determining "race" from DNA: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-16-dna_x.htm

LE are probably releasing info on the DNA profile to psyche out the perp and any possible witnesses/accomplices and possibly inspire a confession of some sort, hoping that the public has an over-inflated idea of what DNA testing is able to do.

In any case, it should provide a pretty air-tight body of evidence when/if they catch the guy.
 
Anyway, so do we think this, if released would do more harm than good and that's why they aren't giving this info out? Like it would narrow the suspect pool but because we aren't sure if the DNA is the unsub or random it would cause people to overlook others who don't fit the DNA profile but could be the guilty party?

What are your thoughts?

I don't know. I read that they weren't able to collect enough DNA from April's body, so maybe they can't be certain the DNA collected since is that of the perpetrator? But I got the impression used condoms had been left more than once. I wonder if the DNA in those has been consistent.

I also read they had released a sketch at one point, but I can't find that linked anywhere. I realize it's dangerous since it's over such a long period of tiem, and a person's appearance may change a great deal, but I'd be interested in seeing it.
 
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-- They are creating a DNA profile, and they keep checking it, but no matches yet, until they have suspects, sadly. I guess the guy doesn't have a DNA record anywhere, which means he's not likely to be on the sex offender registry... Though, the possibility he digs in other people's trash for used condoms also comes to mind. *shudder*


I think I might have just thrown up. I am not a 'girly-girl', I don't mind getting dirty and don't get grossed out to easily but digging through peoples trash to find their old used condoms is so repulsive and creepy and just EWWWWWWW.

I had not even thought of him doing that. Surely LE has tested ALL the condoms left to make sure the DNA matches......right?
 
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=64668

This link says, "For years, detectives have been trying to determine the identity and precise location of the man who, through DNA, has been forensically matched to be April Tinsley's killer. Unfortunately, they have yet to unearth any solid suspects."

So the used condoms are the killer's.
 
Wow JenB! This killer is pretty sure of himself! This reminds me sooo much of Radar.. pushing the envelope more and more. I am glad he keeps pushing it... and hope that the new task force can dig him up and put him where he belongs!
 
He keeps pushing the envelope because he WANTS somebody to find him. But that also makes me think if they have DNA that he's not someone who's DNA is part of the database. Which makes me think he really is like BTK (to second nurse's post above) and may be a respected member of his community.
 
Thanks Nurse for this thread, I hear this on news and drop everything, It look like a very good case to sleuth, So far I have ran cross two names
MR.Zent and L.Andrews Sr, haven't had time to seuth them yet.
 
Here the link for the team CARD (CHILD ABDUCTION RAPID DEPLOYMENT TEAM)
AT THE VERY BOTH THERE IS A BLANKET THAT WAS LEFT WITH ONE OF THE NOTES
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/april09/tinsley040309.html

I looked at the notes and the photo of the barn, I noticed the handwritten letters say "April Tinsley" (April is mispelled in the notes I looked at) but on the barn it's written "April Marie Tisley" (last name spelled wrong). Anyway, I was just suprised to see her middle name on the barn (if that's her middle name?)
 
Cnn 06/06/2009

(cnn) -- the 5-year-old girl found the note tucked inside a plastic bag and left in a basket used as a flower pot.

"hi honey i been watching you," it said. "i am the same person that kidnapped an rape an kill aproil tinsely here is a present for yo you are my next vitem."

a used condom was stuffed in the bag alongside the note.

It was march 2004 -- nearly 16 years after 8-year-old april tinsley was abducted from a fort wayne, indiana, neighborhood, raped and killed.

Her killer remains at large, and police believe he has surfaced several times, scrawling a message in crayon on a barn in 1990, then leaving four chilling notes for children in the fort wayne area years later.

Indiana authorities are now asking an fbi task force -- the child abduction response deployment (card) team -- to help take a fresh look at the case.

"investigators believe the case is 'highly solvable,' and after 21 years, their desire to bring april tinsley's killer to justice is stronger than ever," the fbi said.

Card teams were created three years ago, aimed at bringing together "a variety of experts in child abduction cases who could quickly respond on the ground to help local authorities with time-sensitive investigations," the fbi said.

While card responds to abductions and disappearances, the team also works cold cases, like april's, the agency said. "as team members discovered, there is enough evidence -- including notes, pictures, and dna left by the killer years after the murder -- to make investigators hopeful they can break the case."

the team includes behavioral profilers, agents and analysts from the fbi's crimes against children unit and coordinators and representatives from the national center for the analysis of violent crime and the violent criminal apprehension program.

April marie tinsley was playing outside with friends on good friday, april 1, 1988. As the three girls were moving from one friend's home to another's, the first-grader realized she had left her umbrella behind and went back to get it.

She never returned. Her body was found three days later, in a ditch some 20 miles northeast of the tinsley home. April's body was clothed, but an autopsy showed she had been raped and suffocated.

Two years later, a teenage boy called police to report a message scrawled in crayon and black marker on the front doors of a barn about 10 miles from april's home. He never saw the writer, according to the tv program "america's most wanted," which profiled the case in may, but each day noticed the print was getting darker and more pronounced.

Although the message was hard to read, the person wrote he had killed april, and that he would kill again. Crayons were left behind at the scene, "america's most wanted" said on its web site. Police attempted to conduct forensic analysis on them, but came up empty.

Then, in spring 2004, the four notes appeared at various fort wayne homes, several of them placed on bicycles that young girls had left in their yards. All the notes were written on lined yellow paper and placed inside plastic bags along with used condoms or polaroids of the killer's body, the fbi said. Several notes referred to april.

Authorities have reason to believe the writer of the 1990 note also left the notes 14 years later, fort wayne police said. "that tells us that the person's still around, still out there," said fort wayne police capt. Paul shrawder.

"it's definitely very odd," he added. "even the fbi is puzzled by the behavior, that the letters would come out so many years later and then nothing again."

dna evidence was recovered from april's body and from the condoms, shrawder said. While police have no one to match it with at this point, "things have been resubmitted and retested" as technological advances have been made, he said.

The advantage of the card team, from a local police standpoint, is that members only work such cases, while "we're local -- we work on whatever happens here," shrawder said. The team has experience in such matters, and might look at new aspects, angles and possibilities that local authorities haven't thought of, he said.

Federal investigators were deployed to fort wayne to work the tinsley case earlier this month. After the "america's most wanted" profile and the renewed push, authorities received between 400 and 500 tips, shrawder said. Some could be ruled out right away -- someone who had died between the murder and the 2004 notes, for instance, he said. Dna samples were taken on about 150 people.

Police are still trying to run down about 50 or 75 tips, he said. "that was the purpose, was to go out and run down every single one of these, no matter how vague it was."

some of the authorities' leads, according to the fbi, include identifying fort wayne residents who used polaroids as late as 2004; tracking down a green paisley bedspread similar to that seen in one polaroid; and looking at misdemeanor offenses in the area near the time of april's death and the 2004 note spree, as offenses like indecent exposure could indicate more serious sex crimes.

In addition, the fbi has released a behavioral profile of tinsley's killer. Police believe he is a white male currently in his 40s or 50s who prefers and desires sexual contact with children, particularly little girls.

"this offender has demonstrated that he has strong ties to northeast fort wayne and allen county," the profile said. "this is where he likely lives, works and/or shops. You may be standing next to him in line at the grocery store, sitting beside him in the pew at church, or working beside him on the production line."

such profiles can be helpful in that they might spur local residents to tell police, "you know, i always wondered about this one guy," shrawder said.

To offer information on the tinsley case, contact your local fbi office or fort wayne police at (866) 602-7745
 
*bump* This sounds right up our collective alley.
 
with there being time between when the letters showed up i wonder if he either was in jail during the times letters weren't received or if perhaps he was moving around. i wonder if there are similar crimes elsewhere in the US. also i noticed with the letter they showed that Rape was capped and so was the R in foR. now they could have been typos but i wish we could see the other letters to see if there were unusual caps in those also. its possible those unusual caps are clues.

This whole case is creepy, but regarding the letters, it also looks like the "L" is capitalized.
 
This whole case is creepy, but regarding the letters, it also looks like the "L" is capitalized.

Since you mentioned it, in the links of the letters, the "L" is capitalized in some of the words, ApriL and LocaL, being two of them, but in the words "kill" or "killer", a lowercase "L" is used.
 
I had heard of this case a little while back and I am glad this case is active again. This seems like the perfect case for us at WS to take an interest in.

I started doing a little research yesterday, reading here and doing some searching of my own.

Here is one thing that I have been shocked not to read about anywhere, maybe its out there and I haven't seen it, or maybe the authorities don't want to talk about it (including omitting from the map they provided).


I got to thinking and so I placed a Yahoo map next to the map of case related locations and as I suspected may be the case, THE RAILROAD TRACKS, are a very viable possible source of transportation for this suspect.

Here is another map that I later found which included the tracks. This was a wow moment for me when I looked at it, and I think that this should be the primary angle of investigation for the FBI.

http://www.montgomerycountynews.net/index.php?module=article&view=495
 
This has got to be one of the most creepiest and saddest things I've read.
 

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