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Blythe - We're on the same page, I struggle to accept that LS left on her own accord. However, my daughter (19/college JR) believes it's possible that a young adult in LS' described condition could be alert, upright and able to walk unassisted after cocaine/drug use. I'm curious if others here have any knowledge of this possibility or would agree with her statement.
More unidentified bodies found in central Indiana:
http://m.indystar.com/topstories/article?a=2012120823047&f=1242
One is male. The other is "older than a child."
The problem I have with buying into the idea there's no way she walked out of 5N is I'd have to base it on a description of videos that I've never seen, and witness testimony that I've never actually heard. Meanwhile, I'd have to believe it is as bad as you (VeryVeritas) have described yet justify how the police or PI's cannot come to that same conclusion to the point of forcibly acting upon it (especially in the case of LE).
... The idea that she would bounce up approximately 1 hr later sober / undrugged and walk home is not very likely and as such makes the statements of those (MB, MB's Lawyer, and JR) who paint her as either wanting to party on OR as suddenly sober and able to walk inconsistent with what was happening.
Perhaps that's where the other call from JR came from. To the unknown person who happened to be at Smallwood earlier in the evening with them. JR may have needed DR's number. Interesting that JR didn't just call HT, her roommate!
If she died and panic set in with whoever was with her does it matter if it was her medical condition or drugs and alcohol? I don't think anyone thinks less of her either way. Afterall, she's a 20 year old college student who went out with friends and stopped off at a bar.
I suppose it would matter if there's absolutely no way she would've touched alcohol or drugs but the facts don't seem to support that.
It very well could be people mistook her condition to be drug related when it wasn't. I don't know enough about the condition to know, but is it possible she knew she needed to get back to her apartment to get her medication because she was getting dizzy, light headed, etc and the altercation ended up keeping her from that?
But again, I don't see how the difference ultimately changes anything in the end. I might be missing your point.
Just making a guess based on some information I read about the condition, wouldn't she be able to still vocalize her needs? And she wasn't forced or carried out of Smallwood so if she felt she needed her medication, wouldn't she insist on stopping at Smallwood and not get so easily distracted.
Anyways, while her condition could have been a factor, most reports of symptoms I have read include the word "sudden". If that's the case, I think her falling over/staggering was from the alcohol/drugs.
Cocaine (or any stimulant) is listed as a drug to avoid when on the betablocker medication for long qt. Having trouble finding anything concrete about klonopin.
While 20 years ago a guy might've refused to let a highly intoxicated young woman leave his apartment out of concern for her well-being, but in this day and age if that same young woman says she wants to leave I imagine few would refuse to let her leave. True, he could've walked her home but the culture has changed to a point where it isn't that unusual to think that thought never even crossed his mind.
I have seen some suggesting he never should've let her leave but he really didn't have a choice if she refused to stay.
None of this is to say I'm convinced she left his apartment like he says, only to say I don't find it that hard to believe IF she could walk out of his apartment that he'd watch her do it and probably not think twice about it.
If she died and panic set in with whoever was with her does it matter if it was her medical condition or drugs and alcohol? I don't think anyone thinks less of her either way. Afterall, she's a 20 year old college student who went out with friends and stopped off at a bar.
I suppose it would matter if there's absolutely no way she would've touched alcohol or drugs but the facts don't seem to support that.
It very well could be people mistook her condition to be drug related when it wasn't. I don't know enough about the condition to know, but is it possible she knew she needed to get back to her apartment to get her medication because she was getting dizzy, light headed, etc and the altercation ended up keeping her from that?
But again, I don't see how the difference ultimately changes anything in the end. I might be missing your point.
Wow, I'm amazed at the comment that 20 years ago someone wouldn't have let a tiny drunk girl with no shoes and no phone walk away alone at night but now things are different. I didn't think chivalry was particularly alive and well ten years ago, but I didn't realize that things had gone all the way to Darwinism. I can see a guy not insisting a girl stay over... but I really can't imagine a guy not offering/quietly insisting on walking home a girl that he knew and was friends with who was in that sort of condition.
Wow, I'm amazed at the comment that 20 years ago someone wouldn't have let a tiny drunk girl with no shoes and no phone walk away alone at night but now things are different. I didn't think chivalry was particularly alive and well ten years ago, but I didn't realize that things had gone all the way to Darwinism. I can see a guy not insisting a girl stay over... but I really can't imagine a guy not offering/quietly insisting on walking home a girl that he knew and was friends with who was in that sort of condition.
Let's see, if she couldn't tell an ipod from a phone, perhaps she couldn't tell a wall from a door or up from down... that is, if she were actually at JR's and actually conscious and actually still alive.